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Published: Saturday, Feb. 2 2013 11:43 p.m. MST

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George
Bronx, NY

Perry thinks scouts should keep no gay policy and this is news why?

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

The reason National Boy Scout leaders are changing their stance on this issue, is because there are so many organizations saying they will withdraw their funding if the Boy Scouts policy remains as it now is. Too bad some people hold the almighty dollar in more esteem than their principles. I bet if the Boy Scouts stand firm on this issue, their funding will not go down, but probably increase. Time will tell how all of this plays out. I desire to continue to support the BSA so long as it retains its conservative values; otherwise, I probably will not.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

If you will only give money to an organization if it adheres to your values, let's be honest about what you are doing.

Having someone buy, your values.

Not adhere to them.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Gay activists are the bullies here. Tolerance has acquired a new devious meaning in modern culture, acceptance. You must accept a lifestyle, even if you believe it evil. You are the intolerant bigot because God's word echoes in your heart. You are the intolerant racist because God's word says you are born male and female. You are intolerant and evil because you believe that God has said marraige is between a man and a women. You should be gagged against expression because you have views that align with scripture. You are, in fact, hypocritical because you believe in family as ordained by God! Those who are naive enough to believe that this is only about treating gays civilly are woefully ignorant. This is about acceptance of a lifestyle. The biggest bully of all, abetted by a compliant and amoral media, is not going to stop until evil is called good. Any society built on allowing the biggest bully to prevail is not a society that will make it better for anyone, including gays?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Pagan: Unless you are buying a product or service, of course you should be concerned about any organization or cause that you donate money to. I will not give time or money to anyone whose values are in direct conflict with my own, that would just be silly.

This whole boy scout issue is just the latest chapter in conflict between those who hold the traditional viewpoint that the gay lifestyle is wrong and the radical gay agenda.

Any organization that takes the position that homosexual behavior is not equal to heterosexual behavior is to be publicly flogged by many liberal groups. Unless you embrace the entire gay agenda (can't be neutral or merely tolerant of it, you must "embrace" it) then you will be labeled a hate group and branded with the "homophobe" scarlet letter.

Miss Piggie
Ogden, UT

If gays get their way on this issue the LDS Church will likely drop the program as the activity arm of the Aaronic Priesthood. I'm sure, also, that contributions to BSA will drop way off. I won't give anymore. And I won't encourage my sons to get into the program.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@banderson said "Tolerance has acquired a new devious meaning in modern culture, acceptance. You must accept a lifestyle, even if you believe it evil."

No, you don't need to accept it. If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry someone of your same gender. The argument here is about your desire to limit the rights of others.

You also said "You should be gagged against expression because you have views that align with scripture."

Judging by the fact that you are free to comment in a public space (these pages) and campaign against the evil you see around us, no one is gagging you.

You also said "Any society built on allowing the biggest bully to prevail is not a society that will make it better for anyone, including gays?"

For centuries the biggest bully has prevented gays and lesbians from having fulfilled lives. Now that is changing, and the biggest bullies (i.e., you and your kind) are complaining about the unfairness of it all. To this I say: Boo hoo. You've had your way for far too long!

Jack
Aurora, CO

Miss Piggie,
Please reconsider. If BSA changes its policy, then the local units will have control, thus the LDS Church will stay the same regarding Scouting. Scouts Canada is used by the Church, and it allows gays to participate, so why would the Church drop BSA for the same reason? Do you also think that the recent web site put up by the Church encourage gays and lesbian members to come back is just s front? As long as the person lives the standards they can participate in Church, so why offer that on one hand, and take away with the other?

Denying your sons the ethics and values of BSA, as well as your donations does not seem to be productive in light of the good BSA does.

Please, reconsider.

Grandpa Dave
Draper, UT

Congrats to a brave governor who understands and upholds the Scout OATH!!!!! The scouts are taught this Oath from the beginning .... Lets all stand up and defend the standards for which scouting stand for! It is time for the majority to be heard from ... It is time to stand and be counted!!!!

PAC
Phoenix, AZ

So some people are gay...Could someone please explain to me why gay people always have to act like bullies. It is like this, Gay people believe what they believe, and I believe what I believe. Let just agree to disagree.

Miss Piggie
Ogden, UT

@Jack:
"If BSA changes its policy, then the local units will have control, thus the LDS Church will stay the same regarding Scouting."

Local units will not be able to go against BSA Headquarters policy. A court will make that decision, not the church.

"Do you also think that the recent web site put up by the Church encourage gays and lesbian members to come back is just a front?"

Come back to what?

"As long as the person lives the standards they can participate in Church, so why offer that on one hand, and take away with the other?"

True, but the chance for pedophilia is multiplied exponentially. And the church doesn't need more of that... They've had enough already, costing alotta dough over the years.

"Denying your sons the ethics and values of BSA, as well as your donations does not seem to be productive in light of the good BSA does."

If one of the values of the BSA is homosexuality, my sons don't need that.

"Please, reconsider."

Sorry.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

If gays get their way on this issue the LDS Church will likely drop the program... - Miss Piggie

So much for tolerance.

The BSA does not promote sexual activity, so a Boy scout being gay should not be an issue.

So then, why is it...?

dwayne
Provo, UT

panamadesnews,

What makes your comment especially funny is that you are the one who essentially tells the Boy Scouts that if they change their policy so it no longer accords with your personal opinion that you will withdraw your funding and support for the organization. Its a bit hypocritical to claim they would change their policy because they hold the "almighty dollar in more esteem than their principles." I believe it could be said that not changing the policy would be because they care more about the almighty dollar and support of people like you then the best interests of children who regardless of sexual orientation would learn a lot by participating in the Boy Scouts or the consequences that exclusion might have on children such as a child not being able to be with his peers because hes gay and he kills himself because all his friends are Boy Scouts but he cant be which means your bribery of the Boy Scouts with your money and support caused his death. So what values are you talking about exactly? If the BSA has X policies and you agree with 99% but refuse to support them because of 1 policy? Laughable

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

Perry ever runs for president he has my vote, unlike cristy of NJ.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Were I in charge of the scouts, the golden rule would
get greater emphasis. Scouts would be taught to
to treat others as they would want to be treated
themselves. This includes not teasing or talking
disrespectfully of others. This would include
being respectful of people are different.

I would not however open up scout leadership
positions to gay men, people who are sexually
attracted to the scouts. This is unnecessary and
unacceptable risk.

dwayne
Provo, UT

bandersen

"Gay activists are the bullies here. Tolerance has acquired a new devious meaning in modern culture, acceptance."

Really? Do gay activists target children and exclude them from participation because of one thing about them? You seem to confuse acceptance with tolerance. One does not have to accept or condone the lifestyle of another person but to exclude a child because of one thing about them is not the same thing as non-acceptance of homosexuality. Letting my children spend time with a Mormons kids doesnt mean I accept, condone or approve of their peers Mormonism. I would object to this in any community or group I saw it happened. Everyone would widely accept that if a youth group were to prohibit Mormon youth from participating even if they agreed with the bulk of what that group or community was in support of that it would be intolerant.

"If gays get their way on this issue the LDS Church will likely drop the program as the activity"

That's the right and moral attitude. Agree with everything the BSA teaches youth but drop it because it merely allows any child to take part. Got to emotionally defeat those kids

dwayne
Provo, UT

The Skeptical Chymist,

Dont confuse this issue which is tolerance and inclusion of all children in an organization that teaches important principles and builds characters and camaraderie which are the foundations of a civil society with gay marriage. Even some gays or their families or supporters necessarily agree with gay marriage. The BSAs changing its policy is about public policy instead its about people of different beliefs or views working together towards common goals which lays the foundations of a civil society. The children will grow up with respect for each other even if they passionately disagree politically or religiously.

"For centuries the biggest bully..."

Its not a matter of gays and lesbians living fulfilled lives through acceptance by others. Its about more than that. Its about tolerance for one another which both of you arent displaying. Im not trying to attack either of you but you both miss the real point. Civility is formed when people who disagree coexist and can work towards common goals without excluding others because they dont always agree. For example, can minorities work alongside a racist when doing so involves a common goal and leave the topic of racism for another time?

B ob
Richmond, CA

My son achieved his Life Scout rank, my daughters are Venturers (one just beginning and one with her Silver award) and I have a Bear Scout.

Even if my sponsor organization still excludes gays - the BSA is only choosing to lift its ban - not demanding units to chang - it does mean that there could be gay scouts, gay leaders, and gay trainers at council and district trainings and events.

If I choose to stay with Scouts and do what I can to minimize the damage that will follow with this change - Do my kids only stick with the troop/crew/pack and not enjoy the benefits of world, national, council, and district events and training?

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

Goodness, gays are the bullies now? Hmmm, if that's true, it's just a nanosecond in the course of human history. If the table has turned, I'm not feeling sorry for anyone.

dwayne
Provo, UT

JoeCapitalist2,

You are ignoring one key fact about why people regardless of their views about homosexuality are opposed to the BSAs policy of exclusion. That fact is that we are talking about children and the inability to remain civil on this or any other issue for that matter is because people were never taught to coexist and didnt get practice at it. Our society has seen massive declines in civility and people wonder why. It starts with children. We see intolerance on both sides of the issues of the day because most of the people disagreeing never belonged to any diverse organization working towards common goals. Such policies teach children that when you disagree with one thing about a person that it doesnt matter if they agree with you on everything else because you cant associate with them.

It teaches children that differences matter more than commonalities. It teaches them that if two people disagree they must not associate or work towards common goals. It tears down civility and it replaces it with extremism in partisanship and Im not speaking politically. We all must be in total agreement to be a part of your in-crowds. Thats incivility.

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