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Published: Friday, Feb. 1 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

What gripes me is that the legislature is wasting scarce and precious taxpayer dollars--my dollars--tilting at this windmill, when the money could go toward something useful, like education. Specifically, education of the legislators on the folly of this misadventure. But maybe they are incapable of even this rudimentary lesson.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

The federal government doesn't have the funds to manage the lands they have. Why not turn some back over to the states, and sell some? Income from sales, and less outlay to manage; it would help with the budget and deficit issues.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Unfortunately, Curmudgeon, you are absolutely correct in your last sentence.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

The idea that the state of Utah should be handed the keys to lands they didn't win or own, and let Utah only profit from these sales, shows a real lack of understanding of the history of the Utah Territories... and the ensuing path to statehood. These lands never belonged to the state of Utah - they have been federally owned lands since The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed on February 2, 1848.

Can we (as a nation) do a better job managing these lands... probably. You can say that just about anything. Should there be more local influence, I would argue yes to that as well. Should these lands that were fought for and won with federal lives and dollars be just handed over to Utah so that the state can garage sale them to the highest bidder... I don't think so.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Just watch the yearly shenanigans up at the capital for the only reason necessary for opposition to Utah taking control of Federal lands. The land is better served by being protected for all than some private mismanagement.

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

Stegner was a visionary who understood the consequences of too many people living in a desert, and taking more from the land than the land can give. Utah has a pathetic record as a steward of our state lands. God forbid they should get their hands on our federal lands.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If we are going to sell the land belonging to the American citizens, we should open up the bidding to all nations, corporations, individuals and groups. I think China would pay a much better price than the locals.

dwayne
Provo, UT

UtahBlueDevil,

"These lands never belonged to the state of Utah"

No one denies this but Utahns have fought and died for the citizens of other states who interfere in our state, cost us money all the while many of them get to control the majority of their state lands.

"Should these lands that were fought for and won with federal lives and dollars be just handed over to Utah so that the state can garage sale them to the highest bidder... I don't think so."

You dare to send our men and women to fight in wars that benefit the people of North Carolina and then suggest that you dont think so. If you wont let us have lands in our states that Utahans are risking their lives to protect its because you are tyrants. Utahan are dying because of votes cast by losers in North Carolina and you state residents gets to control most of your lands. Tyrants from your state will not send our sons and daughter to die so you can own most of your lands while controlling most of ours.

If you think North Carolina's voters tyranny will continue... I don't think so.

dwayne
Provo, UT

Curmudgeon,

"What gripes me is that the legislature is wasting scarce and precious taxpayer dollars--my dollars--tilting at this windmill, when the money could go toward something useful, like education."

Then do something about it. Run for office like those that agree with you have done and mess things up as bad as those you vote for try to do when they are lucky enough to get enough of your ilk to vote for them because they promise to waste our "scarce and precious taxpayer dollars" on things you want but thanks for letting us know what your gripes are? Do you want to hear our gripes about YOU?

"But maybe they are incapable of even this rudimentary lesson."

Maybe they are or maybe you and those you vote for are incapable of rudimentary lessons that we try to teach you. Tell me how you want those you vote to for spend our taxpayer money and tell us how you dont want our money to go to things that dont directly benefit you or that you dont find useful because you are as arrogant as those you vote to waste our taxes.

Our gripe: YOU!

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

dwayne: "If you wont let us have lands in our states that Utahans are risking their lives to protect its because you are tyrants."

At last someone has finally identified the tyrants that we have been stockpiling our weapons to fight. Turns out they are in North Carolina. Not one to let a little punctiation stand in the way of expressing a concise thought (how Faulkneresque!), the sage of Provo surveys federalism and finds it deficient.

Utahns object to non-Utahns, acting through the constitutional entity of Congress, having a say in what happens in Utah, but don't seem to mind imposing their will on other states. The Utah delegataion routinely votes against things other states want. That's just how things work in this country.

By the way, Utah is a net importer of federal tax dollars. We receive more in federal largesse than we pay in taxes. In general, the blue states are net tax exporters and the red states are net importers (ahem, takers). It would behoove Utah to learn to get along with the other states, especially the blue ones, lest they decide to take their toys and go home.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Dwayne... your land? Really? And by what process did that land become your own? Does the money you spend say United States of America - or State of Deseret? I think you are a bit confused here. Utah is part of the United States of America. It was admitted to the Union as a State by arrangement crafted and signed by Utahns. No one captured, took by force, lands that were as you call it, your own.

Your attempt to say that Utah citizens are dying and sacrificing disproportionally to tyrant states, Utah has contributed the least of any other state and suffered the least cost of lives other than Connecticut - period. Look the numbers up. Additionally, not a single Utahn fought in the Mexican wars. They were on their way, but never made it to combat.

But that isn't the point. Utah choose the conditions of its membership. It is sad that there are those who now think it unfair that they actually have to live by those commitments. If you want the federal land - buy it. Talk about a group of takers - I think we've found the 47% crowd.

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