Dwayne... your land? Really? And by what process did that land become your
own? Does the money you spend say United States of America - or State of
Deseret? I think you are a bit confused here. Utah is part of the United
States of America. It was admitted to the Union as a State by arrangement
crafted and signed by Utahns. No one captured, took by force, lands that were
as you call it, your own. Your attempt to say that Utah citizens
are dying and sacrificing disproportionally to tyrant states, Utah has
contributed the least of any other state and suffered the least cost of lives
other than Connecticut - period. Look the numbers up. Additionally, not a
single Utahn fought in the Mexican wars. They were on their way, but never made
it to combat.But that isn't the point. Utah choose the
conditions of its membership. It is sad that there are those who now think it
unfair that they actually have to live by those commitments. If you want the
federal land - buy it. Talk about a group of takers - I think we've found
the 47% crowd.
dwayne: "If you wont let us have lands in our states that Utahans are
risking their lives to protect its because you are tyrants."At
last someone has finally identified the tyrants that we have been stockpiling
our weapons to fight. Turns out they are in North Carolina. Not one to let a
little punctiation stand in the way of expressing a concise thought (how
Faulkneresque!), the sage of Provo surveys federalism and finds it deficient.Utahns object to non-Utahns, acting through the constitutional entity of
Congress, having a say in what happens in Utah, but don't seem to mind
imposing their will on other states. The Utah delegataion routinely votes
against things other states want. That's just how things work in this
country.By the way, Utah is a net importer of federal tax dollars.
We receive more in federal largesse than we pay in taxes. In general, the blue
states are net tax exporters and the red states are net importers (ahem,
takers). It would behoove Utah to learn to get along with the other states,
especially the blue ones, lest they decide to take their toys and go home.
If we are going to sell the land belonging to the American citizens, we should
open up the bidding to all nations, corporations, individuals and groups. I
think China would pay a much better price than the locals.
Stegner was a visionary who understood the consequences of too many people
living in a desert, and taking more from the land than the land can give. Utah
has a pathetic record as a steward of our state lands. God forbid they should
get their hands on our federal lands.
Just watch the yearly shenanigans up at the capital for the only reason
necessary for opposition to Utah taking control of Federal lands. The land is
better served by being protected for all than some private mismanagement.
The idea that the state of Utah should be handed the keys to lands they
didn't win or own, and let Utah only profit from these sales, shows a real
lack of understanding of the history of the Utah Territories... and the ensuing
path to statehood. These lands never belonged to the state of Utah - they have
been federally owned lands since The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed on
February 2, 1848.Can we (as a nation) do a better job managing these
lands... probably. You can say that just about anything. Should there be more
local influence, I would argue yes to that as well. Should these lands that
were fought for and won with federal lives and dollars be just handed over to
Utah so that the state can garage sale them to the highest bidder... I
don't think so.
Unfortunately, Curmudgeon, you are absolutely correct in your last sentence.
The federal government doesn't have the funds to manage the lands they
have. Why not turn some back over to the states, and sell some? Income from
sales, and less outlay to manage; it would help with the budget and deficit
What gripes me is that the legislature is wasting scarce and precious taxpayer
dollars--my dollars--tilting at this windmill, when the money could go toward
something useful, like education. Specifically, education of the legislators on
the folly of this misadventure. But maybe they are incapable of even this