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Hatch, Lee vote no; Obama says he'll sign it

Published: Thursday, Jan. 31 2013 7:40 p.m. MST

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Obama raised the debt limit...3 times.

George W. Bush, x7 times.

Ronald Regan...x18 times.

Hatch has been in office, over 30 years.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Remember the first rule of holes:

When you find yourself in a hole, STOP digging.

We are bankrupt, and no one in Congress is willing to stop the spending, because it might be unpopular or painful.

Well, we will eventually see unpopularity and pain like our country has never seen before, and every day we pretend that nothing needs to be done, the pain and unrest will be worse and longer than the day before.

Anyone just entering the work force is doomed to a lifetime of drudgery and outrageous taxation which will be needed to pay interest, and possibly even eventually pay off some of the debt. That is, if we do not default and suffer a catastrophic civil upheaval when those used to "free stuff" from the government suddenly get cut off, or alternate scenario- the workers who pay taxes get fed up with giving up most of the fruits of their labors to support the "takers."

Increasing the debt limit today was the act of cowards, not leaders, and one of stupidity, not wisdom. Shame on every member of Congress who voted for this, and the President for signing it!

Eliot
Santaquin, UT

What is the point of setting a debt limit if you intend to raise it as soon as it is reached?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Barack increased the debt more in 4 years than George Bush and George Bush did in 12 years combined.

Well barack?

TOO
Sanpete, UT

Pagan,

It's so cute how Bush is blamed 4 years after he is out of office. It never gets old.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

"Increasing the debt limit today was the act of cowards"
Actually, increasing the debt limit was the correct thing to do. If they did not increase the debt limit, then the credit rating of US debt would be worse, and we'd pay higher interest on our existing debt.

You want Congress to cut spending and stay within the debt limit. Republicans claim in broad terms that they want to cut spending, but when it comes to icky details of identifying what exactly to cut, they do nothing. THAT is the act of cowards. Next time, elect braver representatives.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

And Hatch and Lee raised what alternative to the approved plan? What... they didn't put anything forward themselves than a very safe no vote - because the results were a foregone conclusion.

Where the heck is the courage in Washington to say "No", and here is a better plan. Nope. Just political laziness and taking the safe route. I like Hatch - but this was a most cowardly vote. Lee... kind of expect posturing rather than real solutions from him.

New concept - actually doing something to fix the problem....worth a try.

Conservative
Cedar City, UT

I suspect almost all of us have been increasing our debt limits. Local, County and State taxes are going up. Amid all the angry talk about the Democrat Administration, there is overwhelming evidence that WE are not cutting back:

SUV's everywhere
Young guys driving shiny new trucks jacked up
Fast food places are booming

Actually we have lived beyond our means for at least a decade. How many of us has a secure retirement fund? How many of us have paid off our house? put our kids through college? Quit eating out?

Before pointing the finger at Washington, we need to get OUR HOUSE in order. Then we'll be secure. And we won't be dependent on Wasshington to bail US out!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Congress authorized the spending in the first place so there's no reason they shouldn't approve a debt ceiling increase. If they want to fight over it, do it in the budget debate where the full faith and credit of the nation isn't at stake. A gov't shutdown wouldn't be good, but it's way less painful than a debt default (or the extremely sudden and painful measures needed to avoid a default if we reach the debt ceiling). Paul Ryan's previous budget didn't balance until 2038. He's now in charge of making a budget that would balance in 10 years (and amusingly said that it'd be easier to make that now that we have a higher revenue baseline after the fiscal cliff deal, acknowledging that tax increases lead to more revenue). You know what that means, right? He's still going to have 9 years of deficits in his budgets which would require some debt ceiling increases.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Blame Bush.

That sounds alot like...

'I don't want to talk about it.'

I am sorry if you are upset that Bush raised the debt ceiling more than Obama. Or the fact that Bush raised the national debt more than Obama.

For Obama to be ON PAR with Bush era spending, he would have to raise the debt to...$20 trillion dollars.

For Obama to be ON PAR with Regan era spending, would have to raise the debt to..$30 trillion dollars.

Has he?

No.

If Obama added ONE dollar to the national debt it would technically be 'more' debt than any other President. So the arguments Republicans present are semantics. Not comparable to the whole of the debt they have made...worse.

FYI?

Orrin Hatch has voted to raise the debt limit.....x16 times. But we are only supposed to notice this time...he didn't.

Right?

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