Published: Thursday, Jan. 31 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
To "Blue" sometimes it is just their time to go. Sometimes God, has to
clean out parts of the earth, so the floods, earthquakes, and tsunamis are sent
in to clean things up.How do you know that the Old Testament is a
work of fiction? Were you around at the time of Moses when he wrote Genesis?There is a book out there (I forget the name) where they look at recent
scientific discoveries and found that the speed of light is slowing down. Now,
what does this have to do with anything. What that means is that if you
extrapolate the speed of light backwards, and relate that to time, the earth is
only about 6,000 years old.
Nature has decided that homosexual behavior is not normal, by virtue of the fact
people would cease to exist if only homosexual relationships occurred. Mother nature has spoken. Sorry.
@redshirt its just their time to go, but sinners get punished. this is why
I could never do the religion thing you really have to tie yourself in knots to
justify the conflicting beliefs within religion.
I think the authors focus on sex caused them to miss the number one reason that
gay marriage has gained so much support. The number one reason is the sheer
inability of those that are against gay marriage to develop an argument that is
not based purely on lies and half truths, which is also a sin. Such a mistake
making it that much more suspect that the author choose such a narrow view on
cause and effect.
@chris b yet homosexuality exist throughout nature, your right mother
nature has spoken but you appear to be deaf.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTNature has decided that homosexual behavior
is not normal, by virtue of the fact people would cease to exist if only
homosexual relationships occurred. Mother nature has spoken.
Sorry.-------------------I guess older couples marrying
are not normal either, by virtue of the fact that people would cease to exist if
only couples beyond childrearing years were in relationships.Mother
nature has spoken. Sorry.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTTo "Blue" sometimes it is just
their time to go. Sometimes God, has to clean out parts of the earth, so the
floods, earthquakes, and tsunamis are sent in to clean things up.What that means is that if you extrapolate the speed of light backwards, and
relate that to time, the earth is only about 6,000 years old.2:58
p.m. Jan. 31, 2013===========Oh dear RedShirt, I'm afraid you've laid all you cards on the table -- EarthQuakes are God's way to 'clean things out'?We'll never run out of oil, because the earth is creating oil faster than
we can possible burn it, And now -- that you solidly believe that the
Earth is only 6,000 years old?Aside from your political views to
which we disagree, it is now quite clear you are also an adimit Science
hater/denier as well.The more I learn about what you think and
believe, the further and further we become.I'll stick
with my beliefs of truth: science, religion, and political.I do not need
to compromise, force, twist or justify any of them using pseduo-explanations to
reconcile them.Good evening...
Morality keeps us from doing things which seemed like good ideas at the time but
are really dumb in the long run.Business morality, honesty maintain
trust in a society. Making tons of mortgages to people who can't pay them
back, packaging the loans as securities and selling them to others increased
economic prosperity as housing prices went up. It seemed like a great idea, but
it was based on dishonesty and the prosperity was a housing bubble. Now
millions of people are out of work. There are 50 other ways why it is a bad
idea.Sexual morality deals with being responsible about procreation.
Lots of poverty is created by out of wedlock births. Again there are dozens of
ways why it is a bad idea. That is why I support traditional marriage.Ignoring human rights creates its own problems. Ignoring cold war dictators,
Saddam Hussein, etc. came back to haunt us big time. The term for this is
'blowback', the chickens come home to roost, etc.Slavery,
there was a reason that the South lost the Civil War, their economy was in an
economic dead end based on cheap labor and agriculture.
@RanchHand:"They are among the most likely to commit various
other sins themselves. Take a good look at those who claim to worship and be
religious and see just how many are committing adultery (another sin) or have
participated on one or more of the various sins listed in the bible (there are
many)."You've said before that bigotry is evil.
You've just made a incredibly broad blanket statement about those who
believe in sexual morality.Preach to me some more about your beliefs
in tolerance and diversity and how bigotry is evil.
People are pretty tolerant of any belief as long as it does not oppose them. I
don't beleive God ever allowed slavery humans did. Of course life is not
chutes and ladders if righteour rewarded and sinners punished immediatly defeat
the purpose of mortality. I do beleive in modern revelatin and
since God is all knowing he will only do what is best for his children and some
circumstances things will be diffrent than others. Peter was told to eat Pork
or something forbidden by law of moses. Revelation there. Don't take
coffee or tobacco for same reasons.People can pretend there is no
God thereby pretending there is no sin. But you can't pretend there is no
gravity or you are effected by weather and escape the consequenses such as
falling off three story building or going out in cold. What will laws against
that do? You can use the Bible to defend any beleif you want or
criticize it. However God does live and he only gives laws and does what is
best for his children.
I am not surprised by the insults from some on worldly side of moral issues, nor
am I insulted. Think on this, people who choose to reserve sex for
their marriage partner do not add any burden to those who do not. My morals have
given my children a better start in their lives. I have respected my fellow man
by making choices that maximize the chances that we can provide for our children
without public assistance. My morals honor my God, the giver of all. My stating
my religious views has no power over you, nor does it hurt you in any way. If
you feel a little angst about something you are doing, it is not my doing, it is
called your conscience, which is a gift from God, not from me.On the
other hand, those who engage in promiscuous sex spread STDs, often need
abortions or have babies out of wedlock. Society pays for the results of
reckless sexual habits, in welfare and medicaid for single parent families, in
STD/aids research and treatment, in Planned Parenthood services, etc.I am completely comfortable with my moral stand. The criticism
seems pretty shallow.
After 5 Years of Legal Gay Marriage, Massachusetts still has the lowest state
divorce rate...' - Bruce Wilson - AlterNet - 08/24/09Line:'Massachusetts retains the national title as the lowest divorce rate
state, and the MA divorce rate is about where the US divorce rate was in 1940,
prior to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor.' Source?
National Center for Vital statistics.See, people who support gay
life-long mongamy can support why, they should have it.Those against
it, rely on faith. Something they cannot prove.
To "Open Minded Mormon" yes, some times God uses earthquakes to clean
out areas.Remember 3 Nephi? There was 3 days of earthquakes,
followed by God announcing which cities were buried, burned, or dropped into the
ocean. He declared that they were destroyed because of their wickedness. That
sure sounds like a "cleaning up" to me.What about Noah? Why
was the earth flooded while only a handfull of people were saved?Actually we don't know how old the earth is. Do you know how long each
of the 7 creation periods lasted? We know that they were called a day to put a
label on it, but it was not a 24 hour period.Maybe you need to
re-read your scriptures.
I find that sinning is so much more enjoyable when there's at least some
moral code to sin against. I am entirely serious. Rules are made to
be broken, as much as to be kept. Sometimes breaking a rule makes us happier
than keeping it. But those are the exceptions. I worry that we're moving
into gray, bland Brave New World territory, where we all do just what we like as
purely physical, material animals, hardly different from a sponge. We never
have to struggle morally; this spares us some pain, but it also robs us of the
satisfaction of declaring independence from convention. How can you be a heroic
individualist, when the conventional wisdom has become "whatever, man; do
what you like"?
Pagan, Massachussetts' divorce rate is low because the state's
*marriage* rate is low. You can't get divorced if you don't get
To RedShirt"How do you know that the Old Testament is a work of
fiction? Were you around at the time of Moses when he wrote Genesis?Were you? "...What that means is that if you extrapolate the
speed of light backwards, and relate that to time, the earth is only about 6,000
years old."& I thought just the Earth revolved I mean spun.
Can you prove, substantiate, back up this "theory"?
re: Redshirt*Actually we don't know how old the earth is.*You stated, in a previous post, the earth is 6000 yrs old. So, which is
Morals haven't gotten worse, but they havechanged. It used to be
socially unacceptableto have premartial sex, but acceptable tomistreat people who were a different race.Now its just the opposite.In my estimation, overall we are morally betterNow than
I just need to state for the benefit of anyone reading that Redshirt and I may
share the same religious tradition, but our views on theodicy, punishing people,
and approaches to science couldn't be further apart. Please don't
make the mistake of assuming we all share the same opinions.
From reading this article, one would think morality was all about sexual
customs. Why focus on just sex? In many ways we are better than we used to be.
Environmental concern, race relations are two areas where we have improved. Why
weren't these mentioned?
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