Published: Thursday, Jan. 31 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Yes, our view of morality has changed over time. Thank goodness!We
no longer believe that eating shellfish a sin.We no longer believe
that wearing two kinds of fabric is a sin.We no longer believe that
women must be kept silent in church and never give instructions to men.We no longer believe that a woman raped within city limits must be killed, but
a woman raped in the countryside must be married to her rapist.We no
longer believe that people whose religious beliefs are different from our own
must be killed.We no longer believe in owning slaves.Those are all contained in the "morality" of the Bible, yet we have
wisely abandoned those beliefs.21st Century morality is indeed
different from the morality contained in the Bible. It's the only reason
we're able to function as a society.I think it's fair to
say that the more a society tests dogma against reality, the healthier it is.
God does not change his morals sin is still sin
@higv;Let those who worship your god follow his rules. Leave
everyone else alone.One funny thing about those who believe that
homosexuality is a sin, or premarital sex is a sin, etc. They are among the
most likely to commit various other sins themselves. Take a good look at those
who claim to worship and be religious and see just how many are committing
adultery (another sin) or have participated on one or more of the various sins
listed in the bible (there are many).Hypocrites are usually the
first to scream when their own sins are pointed out and the last to admit they
For any thing to be sacred, it has to have a purpose. Since the most important
thing in life is self preservation. mirage is a commitment to the continuance of
life. The gay and lesbian are 4% of the population and only 1.5 of the
g@l's that find a friend stay friends. I'm can;t understand why
this is any thing I can be the least concerned about. But it really makes me
wonder about our elected.
higv: "God does not change his morals sin is still sin."That
is demonstrably untrue.How many slaves do you own? Do you treat them
well?What's the going rate for selling a daughter into slavery?Ever eaten shrimp?Are you wearing more than one type of fabric on your
body right now?Do you trim your hair? Wear jewelry? Permit women to wear
slacks or speak in church?How many disrespectful children and
"infidels" have you killed?More to the point, who made you
the arbiter of what does and does not count as "sin" according your
imaginary super-being?When some preacher bellows that _you_ are the
sinner and _he_ is the virtuous messenger of God, why do you get to tell him to
go jump in a lake, but we are supposed to believe that _you_ are an expert on
morality?Using the ghost stories told by Bronze Age mystics as the
basis for morality is a terrible way to run a sane and just society.Me, I'm grateful that so many people are really terrible at doing what
their religions demand from them.
Mr. Mattingly starts with a valid point - that moral behav ior has changed over
the past 40 years - but he then he finds it necessary to turn this into a
political rant."...the number of Americans who took the
conservative stance was leveling off at 38 percent, but the percentage of those
embracing the liberal, progressive position was up to 60 percent."Just one more person claiming that everyone who claims to be politically
conservative is mroally clean and those who call themselves liberal have no
morals. This is nonsense. Look at the sex scandels involving our public
officials. Is there a distinction between the two in that regard?"President Barack Obama announced a long-expected change of heart and
openly endorsed same-sex marriage." But the president didn't pass any
moral judgement on same-sex relationships. I have gays friends at work and
elsewhere and they know that I don't condone that aspect of their lives.
But they are wonderful people in so many regards that it would be harmful to me
if I rejected them for their sexual preferences.Whatever happended
to "love one another" and "judge not..."? When will we pratice
what we preach?
The thing that has changed the most in these matters is that consequences have
been minimized, by science and social programs. Contraception, abortion, and
medication have greatly curtailed the unwanted pregnancy and STD consequences
from promiscuous sex. Without these natural consequences, Godless people see no
reason not to "be merry" to whatever extent they want. But
what about the emotional consequences? Breaking up can be tough, but it has an
added dimension for those who were sexually bonded. People eventually come to
trust no one, and bond to no one, to protect them from further emotional hurt.
Many women who had abortions in years past, now suffer from horrible emotional
distress from that choice. Meanwhile, antidepressant use, anxiety
disorder, and other mental disorder rates are skyrocketing. Most our mass
murderers are detached (detachment disorder) from their fellow men/women. But we
won't bother studying the connection between chosen behavior and mental
illness. Inventing more drugs makes more money, and frees the immoral from
responsibility for their choices.For those of us who are religious,
it is simple. Sin is sin. We are not surprised by the negative consequences of
sinful actions. It is God's danger signal.
And to think - those on their moral high horse about those who "sin",
would propbably welcome back public stoning for it.Is it any
wonder they still do the psychological equivalant of it...
Morality is about more than sex. Morality is about honesty and
personal values, respecting yourself and other people, facing the consequences
of your actions and allowing others to do the same - among other things.This is a very narrow look at morality.
@ Christian 24-7: One problem with your rant - nothing in reality supports it.
Yes, thankfully our ideas about morality evolve with time. We've done some
pretty stupid, and cruel, things in the name of morality. Religion, which tries
to sell itself as the champion of morality, is much slower to evolve. It takes a
while for a 'prophecy' to come through. Plus, the fixation it has with
who gets to have sex with whom and for what purpose is becoming a bit, well,
higvDietrich, IDGod does not change his morals sin is still sin7:28 a.m. Jan. 31, 2013========== Did God change
his morals regarding slavery?Did God change his morals regarding plural
marriage?Did God change his morals regarding eating pork, circumsision,
shaving, and gentiles being baptized?Good grief.Why
don't some of you ultra-conservatives go back 3,000 years were you
belong.Hint: The past wasn't as nearly as rosy and morally superior
as you might imagine.
Looking forward to reading an article about the morals and the lack thereof of
hedge fund types and co-conspirator banksters...Instead...a pithy
tome about SEX.
Christian 24-7: "For those of us who are religious, it is simple. Sin is
sin. We are not surprised by the negative consequences of sinful actions. It is
God's danger signal."It's "simple" all right.
Is simplicity a good thing? You're saying we have no need for
an appreciation of the inescapable complexities of life? Everything is just
black vs. white for you?Why do bad things happen to good people?
What was their "sin?" Why did my friend's 4 year old daughter die
slowly and painfully from an inoperable brain tumor?Why do good
things happen to "sinful" people? Why is Hugh Hefner 86 years old, happy
and prosperous?Are all bad things that happen to people an
expression of divine wrath? Are all good things that happen a divine reward? Why is your God, historically, so blatantly indifferent to good and
evil?How do you know which events are due to divine intervention,
and which are simply the random occurences that happen naturally in a dynamic,
changing world?The "simple" approach to life is to believe
that diseases are caused by evil spirits.I'll take complexity
over that kind of "simple" thinking any day.
If repubs and conservatives are so moral then why are the southern (protestant)
states leading the way in abortion, teen pregnancy, and STDs?
I like our modern changes in morality...I enjoy driving into cities and
not seeing "sinners" impaled on stakes or left hanging in trees.
To "Blue" I feel sad for you.Bad things happen to good
people because the bad people made bad choices. God will not stop us from
making bad choices (Satan wanted this), so when a person makes a bad choice that
choice is allowed so that it can stand as a testimony against them at the
Judgement day.It all depends on what you call good, and the
timeframe that you are looking at. If you are only concerned with this life,
then go ahead and be jealous of the sinful wealthy people. If you look at this
life from an eternal perspective, you will feel sad for those sinners because
after this life they will be separated from God.God is not
indifferent. Just look at the old testament. When the people are good, God
helps them, when they are evil, he lets them destroy themselves.Miracles are often hard to determine. There are times when you may be
involved in a miracle and know it.God's commandments are
simple, it is only people that make them more complex, like the Scribes and
Sin is the invention of religion. It’s purpose is to offset the defenses
that people might have in believing the imaginary story of the religion. Before religion there was not sin.
I think the Mormon approach is very good. I dont agree with the Mormons on
almost anything related to their doctrine, but their approach to homosexuality
seems about right.Treat everyone kind, while never accepting what is
wrong.People who have challenges should be helped. People can
overcome those challenges and caving into their challenges is never what is
best.While I dont agree that sexual relationships need to wait for
marriage, I agree they are only acceptable to God between a man and a woman. Keep up the good work in this regard Mormons. I'll stand with you
on this one issue.
Redshirt: "Bad things happen to good people because the bad people made bad
choices. "What "bad choices" do the victims of
earthquakes, floods and tsunamis make?"God is not indifferent.
Just look at the old testament. When the people are good, God helps them, when
they are evil, he lets them destroy themselves."The Old
Testament is a work of fiction. Or do you really believe that the world is 6,000
years old, the first homo sapiens were Adam and Eve, and that Noah's flood
and ark were real?
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