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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    The abuse of power that lead to an economic meltdown.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    To Locke 12:58 p.m. Jan. 30, 2013

    You said: "The U.N. passed 17 resolutions calling for action against Iraq to eliminate WMD's, and the U.S. and allies followed up on those resolutions and went to war." What you didn't mention (or perhaps you didn't understand its meaning or import) is the fact that each and every one of those Resolutions contained the following provision: The Security Council . . . "Decides to remain seized of the matter." In legal-speak and diplo-speak, that means that the Security Council retained jurisdiction over the issue and remained the only entity that could decide how to handle Iraq including, but not limited to, being the only entity to decide when (or if) a war would be started against Iraq. GWBush usurped and pre-empted the Security Council's authority, and started a war without authority, contrary to the treaty it signed when the United Nations was established.

    For his own purposes, George had to invade when he did. The hunt for WMDs was turning up nothing, and George would have soon lost his excuse to invade Iraq. He badly wanted war with Iraq, so he invaded. Sad.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 3, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Redshirt.... just so you have the official white house report on wmd... This is dated April 25th, 2005.

    “After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey, “As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible.”

    In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look at an investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators, weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda conclude a roughly 1,500-page report. Another addendum also noted that military forces in Iraq may continue to find small numbers of degraded chemical weapons — most likely misplaced or improperly destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War.

    So as far as the White House was concerned, they confirmed they found no WMD, as described in the petitions to enter Iraq militarily... at least not to the extend as was made in the justification to go to war.

    If they can admit they made a mistake, why are others having such a hard time with it?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 3, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    usraptor - you list would be compelling if it were true? For example...

    "Obama calling Bush a traitor" - no - Obama said it was unpatriotic to double the deficit. I think I have heard the same claims from the other side.

    "Obama approves Keystone, offshore and domestic drilling" - Nebraska just last month approved its portion. Obama legally could not approve something the states had not approved first. How do you approve a house plan before there is even a plan.

    "Obama stops issuing Obama" - really.... this program was started early past century... they were land lines then.. but they were given out then too.

    Your rhetoric is rampant with talk radio and blogespher baloney. Try really reading up critically, from multiple sources, before you start spewing a bunch of half truths and hate inspired opinions. You don't have to like Obama - don't expect you to do so - but please do it off of facts, not semi truths and fantasyland created rhetoric. Nothing is promoted with this kind of drivel.

  • Grandma Char Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    USRaptor...
    Thanks for your excellent list. I totally agree!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 2, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    I am not necessarily ready to say getting rid of yet another dictator was a mistake. I do think all the lying that "justified" the war was a mistake - one made with plenty of fore thought and planning.

    That is what makes this fake outrage at Ms. Clinton from someone as politically warped as McCain hard to watch. And to think, at one time, McCain and Palin were the best the Republicans had to offer.

    Often you need to consider the source... and in this case the truly applies.

  • Grandma Char Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    It is ridiculous to compare Iraq to Benghazi! The American people deserve to know who it was that told those who were prepared to go in and help the Americans in Benghazi who were in harms way to stand down. Why were they told to stand down? I believe the Obama wants us to believe his ridiculous claim that Al Qaida is on the run..and what happened in Benghazi proved he is lying about it. Americans deserve to know why the Ambassador was in Benghazi on 9-11, a place where security was weak. The administration wants to blame all this on not enough funding, when those who testified before Congress several months ago said that is simply not true.

    It is people like you liberals here who will give support to a marxist President and cause the demise of the western way of life (which I happen to like and am quite attached to!)

  • usraptor Woodland Hills, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Real Maverick
    You'll get your apology when Democrats apologize for:

    *Obama calling Bush a traitor over the national debt and then he doubles it in 3 years.
    *Christopher Dodd, Franklin Raines, and Barney Frank causing the housing crisis by forcing banks to issue sub-prime loans and ignoring Bush and numerous Republican who warned of the impending crisis.
    *Obama, Reid and Pelosi ramming through ObamaTAX on an end run.
    *The Senate passes a budget.
    *Obama cuts the Federal Government instead of increases it.
    *Obama and Clinton failing to send in help to Benghazi when watching it happen in real time.
    *When Obama and Clinton quit lying about Benghazi and blaming the attack on a video.
    *Obama releases his college transcripts.
    *Obama approves Keystone, offshore and domestic drilling.
    *Obama reins in the job killing EPA.
    *Obama stops cooking the unemployment numbers.
    *Obama stops wasting billions on Green energy.
    *Obama stops issuing Obama phones and reins in welfare.
    *Michele stops taking vacations on the tax payers dime.
    *Eric Holder is held accountable for Fast and Furious.
    *Obama stops appointing tax cheats to cabinet posts.
    *Obama stops funding the Muslim Brotherhood.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 31, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    I fully expect that we'll get an apology for the cascade of bad decisions associated with Iraq. It will happen about the same time the Iraqis thank us for our Baghdad urban renewal project better known as "Shock and Awe".

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    Bush lied, 4,500 American troops died.

    Republicans cut funding to Benghazi...4 Americans died.

  • usraptor Woodland Hills, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 7:43 p.m.

    LDS Liberal, I fully agree with RedShirt. Your logic is completely illogical. Also, please explain to me how Big Oil Companies were the winners in Iraq? As I recall we were still paying well over $100 a barrel for crude oil last summer which resulted in $5 a gallon gasoline in some states. If Oil Companies benefited from Iraq why is that? Oh, I know it's a conspiracy between the oil companies and Republicans to drive up the price of gasoline.
    A little advice, LDS Liberal. If you can't discuss a position based on facts don't result to name calling(ultra-cons). It just shows your ignorance.

  • GoBanana PROVO, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    -- Sen. Hillary Clinton
    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response
    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."-- Al Gore
    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    When will repubs apologize for:

    Wrecking our economy
    Passing Medicare Part D
    Patriot Act
    No Child Left Behind
    2 wars in the middle east
    Doubling the money wasted in defense spending. What pork!
    Turning Clinton's surpluses and turning them into deficits
    Horrible tax policy which has only increased in inequality
    TARP
    Lack of green technology
    Oil subsidies
    Poor funding of education
    Obamacare (which was their solution a few years ago)
    Doing nothing to solve immigration

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Jan. 30, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    Was it a mistake to go to Moroco after Japan bombed us? Britian called for or help a long time before we joined. Were there is national interest war may be justified to free people from oppresion. Many countries insist we stay to free them from people that you can't appease. If someone takes lives how can you trust them to tell the truth or keep promises, like Chamberlein Neville tried to do.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    Yes excellent article. They should also apologize for not reversing the tax break for the wealthy when they started the second unfunded deficit building second war.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    wrz: It's not the dems who are hypocritically frothing at the mouth over this. The same repubs who voted to cut funding are the ones "investigating" it, including the former football kicker.
    If Obama is responsible for Benghazi then Bush is entirely responsible for 9-11.
    Anyone who supported Iraq has nothing to complain about.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    @ECR:
    "And Secretary of State Colin Powell has since expressed sorrow and regret for giving a speech at the UN that he later found to be lacking in factual evidence."

    Perhaps Colin Powell (now a Democrat) shoulda thought twice before he opened his mouth. He told us on O'Reilly that everyone in the world... all intelligence gathering agencies around the world said Saddam had WMD.

    "Without the deception on the part of the administration, Congress never would have voted to approve the war."

    Congress spends millions yearly on their own intelligence gathering activities. What's all that about? Besides, Congress loves to blame someone else for their stupidity... reflecting a basic Democratic mentality.

    "An apology is the least that can and should be given."

    Well, at least we had sort of an apology from Hillary about her and Obama's stupidity re Benghazi.

  • Locke Rexburg, ID
    Jan. 30, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    Saddam Hussein admitted after he was captured that he had intentionally misled the world to think he had weapons of mass destruction. He did so, in part, to intimidate perennial enemy Iran.

    The U.N. passed 17 resolutions calling for action against Iraq to eliminate WMD's, and the U.S. and allies followed up on those resolutions and went to war. It was not the fault of George Bush or any of the U.N. members that one of the war's major purposes was (mostly) false (actually, just outdated)--they were deceived in a highly sophisticated plot. Saddam had dismantled his weapons stockpiles, with only minor remnants here and there, he just didn't tell anyone.

    A brutal dictatorship that threatened the entire region was ended, tens of millions of people were freed, and that's a good thing.

    Let me just add: I'm no fan of George Bush.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    @The Real Maverick:
    "Ha ha, Democrats didn't even need to try to destroy Mitty. His own party and his own mouth did that for him."

    Then, what was that about Mitt killing someone's wife with cancer? Jeeps made in China?

    "Poison gas is a WMD?"

    Wikipedia: 'WMD includes large-scale weaponry of technologies, such as chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear.'

    "In that case, I have some WMDs every time I eat Mexican food."

    Then stay clear of people when dining at Joe Banditos.

    "I remember Cheney talking about, 'The only sign of Saddam's WMDs being a mushroom cloud.'"

    Occasionally, Cheney got it wrong.

    "Silly me, and here I thought we were going after nukes!"

    No. That would be Iraq and Ahmadinejad.

    "Why didn't we wait for inspections?"

    Inspectors were not allowed in secret places. Besides, Saddam moved the WMD to Syria... Didn't you hear?

    "Why didn't Germany or France join?"

    Chickens.

    "Why were we searching for ways to go to invade Iraq instead of containing him?"

    You don't contain a madman.

    "They can only blame Clinton and Obama."

    Everything is Bush's fault. Didn't you hear?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" now you are nto making sense. You and your ilk say that Iraq was a mistake.

    Now you say that we have to stay there because Iraq was full of killers and people who murder anybody who comes to close.

    So, either Iraq was good because we destroyed the nest full of "killer" bees, or it was bad because the "killer" bees never existed.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UT
    ...if the Republicans are at fault for the war, why is it that the Democrats have voted year after year to keep funding the war? Why don't they defund the war and end it?

    12:38 p.m. Jan. 30, 2013

    ==========

    because, When someone was stupid enough to kick down the beehive and tick off all the bees, is it a safe or a smart thing to simply ignore what happened, ignore them and simply walk away from it?

    Guess what, Those now angry "killer" bees will just follow you home.
    [Which begs the question - could that be the hidden agenda or alterior motive of GOP ultra-cons to feed the giant Military Industrial Complex for generations to come?]

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    To those you you who still believe that the WMD's were just a ploy to get us into a war for oil, please explain the following:

    "Troops 'foil Iraq nerve gas bid'" July 2, 2004
    "US did find Iraq WMD" NY Post October 25, 2004
    "Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits" NewsMax, May 17, 2004
    "WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results" Wired October 23, 2010
    "Iraq mortar shells contain blister agent" USA Today January 11, 2004
    "Bomb said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq" MSNBC May 17, 2004
    "Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq" Fox New May 17, 2004
    "Warheads with mustard, sarin gas found by Polish troops in Iraq: Rumsfeld" Spacewar July 1, 2004
    "Hundreds of WMDs discovered in Iraq" WorldNetDaily June 21, 2006

    If the WMD's did not exist why was it reported at least 9 times that WMDs were found?

    Also to reflect what has been said before, if the Republicans are at fault for the war, why is it that the Democrats have voted year after year to keep funding the war? Why don't they defund the war and end it?

  • UT Brit London, England
    Jan. 30, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    @Alfred

    "Saddam had WND"

    Had is the operative word there, all his biological weapons were taken care of before the 2nd invasion. All that was found was a bunch of old artillery shells with some deposits still in. Hardly a "clear and present" danger to the United States was it.

    You also might want to read into how Saddam actually made that gas. Samples of various biological weapons were sent from the US to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80's. In fact a lot of western nations provided Saddam with all the material he needed.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 30, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    wrz - if you recall, the Senate gave approval for the president to wage the war in Iraq for two reasons:

    1. They were told that doing so would force Hussien to come forward with the location of the fantom WMDs (but he didn't)...

    2. ...and Congress was scared into giving such approval in the days and weeks following the worst attack on American soil and the willful misleading of the public and the Congress by the Administration and their cohorts at the CIA - "We don't want the next smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud", said national security advisor Condoleeza Rice on Sunday morning TV. And Secretary of State Colin Powell has since expressed sorrow and regret for giving a speech at the UN that he later found to be lacking in factual evidence

    Without the deception on the part of the administration, Congress never would have voted to approve the war. The damage to our national budget and the loss of brave soldiers in this misguided endeavor is exceeded only by the divisiion this war caused among the people of the nation. An apology is the least that can and should be given.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    "Trying to destroy Republican Mitt Romney was not a minor issue for Democrats."

    Ha ha, Democrats didn't even need to try to destroy Mitty. His own party and his own mouth did that for him. 47 percenters, members of his own party bashing women and minorities, and Corporations are People didn't exactly help his campaign.

    "called poison gas of some kind."

    Poison gas is a WMD? In that case, I have some WMDs every time I eat Mexican food.

    I remember Cheney talking about, "The only sign of Saddam's WMDs being a mushroom cloud."

    Silly me, and here I thought we were going after nukes! I should have known that we were merely going after intestinal disorders.

    Why didn't we wait for inspections? Why didn't Germany or France join? Why were we searching for ways to go to invade Iraq instead of containing him? It was a heck of a lot cheaper and easier to contain him than to "break" and "buy" that country.

    Repubs, the party of non-accountability will never apologize for their mishandling of the deficit, economy, health care, entitlements, and foreign affairs. They can only blame Clinton and Obama.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    @Eric Samuelsen:
    "I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that apology, though."

    Apology for what? Going to war against a tyrant who had WMD? If you'll recall, Saddam had WND. He used them to kill Kurds in the north of Iraq... called poison gas of some kind.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Excellent letter. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that apology, though.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    @the old switcharoo:
    "Here, here (did you mean 'hear, hear?'), an apology for Iraq is in order from republicans."

    If you'll recall, the Iraq War would not have happened without congressional approval, including Democrats such as Dodd, Kerry, Reid, and Clinton. And the war would not have continued without continued congressional approval... including when it was controlled by Democrats. Keep that in mind.

    "Trying to destroy Clinton pre presidential election 2016 is not a minor issue for republicans."

    Trying to destroy Republican Mitt Romney was not a minor issue for Democrats.

    "But we have reels and reels of praise for Clinton from even Limbaugh when she was running against Obama. I can't wait to bring them out."

    I can't wait to hear Clinton reiterate that Obama is not a citizen and thus, not eligible to be president.

    @Ernest T. Bass:
    "Furthermore, most House repubs voted to decrease funding for embassy security prior to this event. Now they're the ones lobbing stones at Mrs. Clinton."

    Are you forgetting Senate Democrats also had a hand in decreased funding... as well as the President. Why the selective finger pointing?

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Ms. Clinton's feeble rationalization of the Benghazi fiasco was embarrassing. Weapons of mass destruction were thought to exist by both parties prior to the Iraqi war. The left wing conveniently forgets their complicity. Obama's war in Afghanistan will match Iraq as a futile and expensive misadventure.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Let's not forget that during the election campaigns, our own Jason Chafetz boasted that he had voted against "wasting" money requested by the State Department for embassy security.

    Funny, how quiet he has been about that since the Benghazi attack.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    @ECR and Hutterite: I think you are confusing "mistake" with "accident." Intentional actions can be mistakes (like deciding to try to outrun the train to the crossing). The Iraq war was a conscious, deliberate action. It was also terribly wrong, a mistake.

    higv: "While were at it we should also apologize for the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Mexican War, Spanish American WAr, World WArs I and II, Korea and Vietnam. They cost lives."
    The point is not whether a war costs lives-- they al do-- but whether the war is justified and the losses are in the national interest. A positive case could be made for the Revolution and Civil War. Apologies are probably due for the Mexican and Spanish American wars, both trumped up affairs.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Defense Contrators and Oil Companies were the only "winners" in Bush's cooked up, and 100% fabricated wars.

    I'd like ONE Conservative to show me in the Consitutiton were non-existant WMDs, Military Hardware and Oil sales could circumvent the entire Congress and the Constitutional authority to justify "war".

    The correct word for it was for Bush's activity is - Pilldge.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    As was noted earlier, whatever Iraq was, it was not a mistake. It took a lot of horsepower on the part of the administration to cook up enough evidence and cobble together a coalition to justify the invasion, and all of it was calculated and deliberate.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    My nephew served in Iraq and volunteered to go back two more times after receiving the Purple Heart. I asked him why. He said "because I can do so much good there for the people." He was thanked numberless times on a daily basis by the Iraqi people. Maybe had it been your freedom that was preserved you wouldn't be so quick to condemn the war. Arm chair quarterbacks are seldom right on calling the plays.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    @higv

    And how, exactly, did invading Iraq help in the eradication of terrorism and terrorists?

    How exactly did invading Iraq "preserve freedom liberty?" I spent a year there doing my best to "preserve freedom liberty." Their freedom and liberty are not more valuable than my life and the lives of the thousand of Americans who died there. There are more terrorists, despots, and thugs in the world than we can "take out." We can't police them all.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Furthermore, most House repubs voted to decrease funding for embassy security prior to this event. Now they're the ones lobbing stones at Mrs. Clinton.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Jan. 30, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    While were at it we should also apologize for the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Mexican War, Spanish American WAr, World WArs I and II, Korea and Vietnam. They cost lives. We can't appease all terrorists there are times in order to preserve freedom liberty is worth more than life.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Jan. 30, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    Here, here, an apology for Iraq is in order from republicans. And an apology for ignoring warnings a month before the 9/11 attack and allowing the steel from the twin towers to be shipped off to China before investigators even arrived. (destruction of evidence)

    Benghazi is a minor issue even to republicans. Trying to destroy Clinton pre presidential election 2016 is not a minor issue for republicans. But we have reels and reels of praise for Clinton from even Limbaugh when she was running against Obama. I can't wait to bring them out.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 30, 2013 5:42 a.m.

    "That war, which was mistakenly entered into by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and the neocons..."

    That's the only sentence in this great letter with which I disagree. I don't belive it was a "mistake" by those who led us into the war. I believe it was a deliberate action taken for less than noble reasons. Whether it was the belated attempts to complete the eleimination of Saddam Hussein, something left left undone after Desert Storm, or willful actions meant to enrich specific companies whose surrogate held one of the highest offices in the land, the false premises that led us to the invasion of Iraq and the deep divisions that war has caused in our country need to be addressed in the halls of Congress and in the nation's courts.