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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 30 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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ECR
Burke, VA

"That war, which was mistakenly entered into by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and the neocons..."

That's the only sentence in this great letter with which I disagree. I don't belive it was a "mistake" by those who led us into the war. I believe it was a deliberate action taken for less than noble reasons. Whether it was the belated attempts to complete the eleimination of Saddam Hussein, something left left undone after Desert Storm, or willful actions meant to enrich specific companies whose surrogate held one of the highest offices in the land, the false premises that led us to the invasion of Iraq and the deep divisions that war has caused in our country need to be addressed in the halls of Congress and in the nation's courts.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Here, here, an apology for Iraq is in order from republicans. And an apology for ignoring warnings a month before the 9/11 attack and allowing the steel from the twin towers to be shipped off to China before investigators even arrived. (destruction of evidence)

Benghazi is a minor issue even to republicans. Trying to destroy Clinton pre presidential election 2016 is not a minor issue for republicans. But we have reels and reels of praise for Clinton from even Limbaugh when she was running against Obama. I can't wait to bring them out.

higv
Dietrich, ID

While were at it we should also apologize for the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Mexican War, Spanish American WAr, World WArs I and II, Korea and Vietnam. They cost lives. We can't appease all terrorists there are times in order to preserve freedom liberty is worth more than life.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Furthermore, most House repubs voted to decrease funding for embassy security prior to this event. Now they're the ones lobbing stones at Mrs. Clinton.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@higv

And how, exactly, did invading Iraq help in the eradication of terrorism and terrorists?

How exactly did invading Iraq "preserve freedom liberty?" I spent a year there doing my best to "preserve freedom liberty." Their freedom and liberty are not more valuable than my life and the lives of the thousand of Americans who died there. There are more terrorists, despots, and thugs in the world than we can "take out." We can't police them all.

BigRich
Orem, UT

My nephew served in Iraq and volunteered to go back two more times after receiving the Purple Heart. I asked him why. He said "because I can do so much good there for the people." He was thanked numberless times on a daily basis by the Iraqi people. Maybe had it been your freedom that was preserved you wouldn't be so quick to condemn the war. Arm chair quarterbacks are seldom right on calling the plays.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

As was noted earlier, whatever Iraq was, it was not a mistake. It took a lot of horsepower on the part of the administration to cook up enough evidence and cobble together a coalition to justify the invasion, and all of it was calculated and deliberate.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Defense Contrators and Oil Companies were the only "winners" in Bush's cooked up, and 100% fabricated wars.

I'd like ONE Conservative to show me in the Consitutiton were non-existant WMDs, Military Hardware and Oil sales could circumvent the entire Congress and the Constitutional authority to justify "war".

The correct word for it was for Bush's activity is - Pilldge.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

@ECR and Hutterite: I think you are confusing "mistake" with "accident." Intentional actions can be mistakes (like deciding to try to outrun the train to the crossing). The Iraq war was a conscious, deliberate action. It was also terribly wrong, a mistake.

higv: "While were at it we should also apologize for the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Mexican War, Spanish American WAr, World WArs I and II, Korea and Vietnam. They cost lives."
The point is not whether a war costs lives-- they al do-- but whether the war is justified and the losses are in the national interest. A positive case could be made for the Revolution and Civil War. Apologies are probably due for the Mexican and Spanish American wars, both trumped up affairs.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Let's not forget that during the election campaigns, our own Jason Chafetz boasted that he had voted against "wasting" money requested by the State Department for embassy security.

Funny, how quiet he has been about that since the Benghazi attack.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Ms. Clinton's feeble rationalization of the Benghazi fiasco was embarrassing. Weapons of mass destruction were thought to exist by both parties prior to the Iraqi war. The left wing conveniently forgets their complicity. Obama's war in Afghanistan will match Iraq as a futile and expensive misadventure.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@the old switcharoo:
"Here, here (did you mean 'hear, hear?'), an apology for Iraq is in order from republicans."

If you'll recall, the Iraq War would not have happened without congressional approval, including Democrats such as Dodd, Kerry, Reid, and Clinton. And the war would not have continued without continued congressional approval... including when it was controlled by Democrats. Keep that in mind.

"Trying to destroy Clinton pre presidential election 2016 is not a minor issue for republicans."

Trying to destroy Republican Mitt Romney was not a minor issue for Democrats.

"But we have reels and reels of praise for Clinton from even Limbaugh when she was running against Obama. I can't wait to bring them out."

I can't wait to hear Clinton reiterate that Obama is not a citizen and thus, not eligible to be president.

@Ernest T. Bass:
"Furthermore, most House repubs voted to decrease funding for embassy security prior to this event. Now they're the ones lobbing stones at Mrs. Clinton."

Are you forgetting Senate Democrats also had a hand in decreased funding... as well as the President. Why the selective finger pointing?

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Excellent letter. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that apology, though.

Alfred
Ogden, UT

@Eric Samuelsen:
"I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that apology, though."

Apology for what? Going to war against a tyrant who had WMD? If you'll recall, Saddam had WND. He used them to kill Kurds in the north of Iraq... called poison gas of some kind.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"Trying to destroy Republican Mitt Romney was not a minor issue for Democrats."

Ha ha, Democrats didn't even need to try to destroy Mitty. His own party and his own mouth did that for him. 47 percenters, members of his own party bashing women and minorities, and Corporations are People didn't exactly help his campaign.

"called poison gas of some kind."

Poison gas is a WMD? In that case, I have some WMDs every time I eat Mexican food.

I remember Cheney talking about, "The only sign of Saddam's WMDs being a mushroom cloud."

Silly me, and here I thought we were going after nukes! I should have known that we were merely going after intestinal disorders.

Why didn't we wait for inspections? Why didn't Germany or France join? Why were we searching for ways to go to invade Iraq instead of containing him? It was a heck of a lot cheaper and easier to contain him than to "break" and "buy" that country.

Repubs, the party of non-accountability will never apologize for their mishandling of the deficit, economy, health care, entitlements, and foreign affairs. They can only blame Clinton and Obama.

ECR
Burke, VA

wrz - if you recall, the Senate gave approval for the president to wage the war in Iraq for two reasons:

1. They were told that doing so would force Hussien to come forward with the location of the fantom WMDs (but he didn't)...

2. ...and Congress was scared into giving such approval in the days and weeks following the worst attack on American soil and the willful misleading of the public and the Congress by the Administration and their cohorts at the CIA - "We don't want the next smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud", said national security advisor Condoleeza Rice on Sunday morning TV. And Secretary of State Colin Powell has since expressed sorrow and regret for giving a speech at the UN that he later found to be lacking in factual evidence

Without the deception on the part of the administration, Congress never would have voted to approve the war. The damage to our national budget and the loss of brave soldiers in this misguided endeavor is exceeded only by the divisiion this war caused among the people of the nation. An apology is the least that can and should be given.

UT Brit
London, England

@Alfred

"Saddam had WND"

Had is the operative word there, all his biological weapons were taken care of before the 2nd invasion. All that was found was a bunch of old artillery shells with some deposits still in. Hardly a "clear and present" danger to the United States was it.

You also might want to read into how Saddam actually made that gas. Samples of various biological weapons were sent from the US to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80's. In fact a lot of western nations provided Saddam with all the material he needed.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To those you you who still believe that the WMD's were just a ploy to get us into a war for oil, please explain the following:

"Troops 'foil Iraq nerve gas bid'" July 2, 2004
"US did find Iraq WMD" NY Post October 25, 2004
"Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits" NewsMax, May 17, 2004
"WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results" Wired October 23, 2010
"Iraq mortar shells contain blister agent" USA Today January 11, 2004
"Bomb said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq" MSNBC May 17, 2004
"Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq" Fox New May 17, 2004
"Warheads with mustard, sarin gas found by Polish troops in Iraq: Rumsfeld" Spacewar July 1, 2004
"Hundreds of WMDs discovered in Iraq" WorldNetDaily June 21, 2006

If the WMD's did not exist why was it reported at least 9 times that WMDs were found?

Also to reflect what has been said before, if the Republicans are at fault for the war, why is it that the Democrats have voted year after year to keep funding the war? Why don't they defund the war and end it?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
...if the Republicans are at fault for the war, why is it that the Democrats have voted year after year to keep funding the war? Why don't they defund the war and end it?

12:38 p.m. Jan. 30, 2013

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because, When someone was stupid enough to kick down the beehive and tick off all the bees, is it a safe or a smart thing to simply ignore what happened, ignore them and simply walk away from it?

Guess what, Those now angry "killer" bees will just follow you home.
[Which begs the question - could that be the hidden agenda or alterior motive of GOP ultra-cons to feed the giant Military Industrial Complex for generations to come?]

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" now you are nto making sense. You and your ilk say that Iraq was a mistake.

Now you say that we have to stay there because Iraq was full of killers and people who murder anybody who comes to close.

So, either Iraq was good because we destroyed the nest full of "killer" bees, or it was bad because the "killer" bees never existed.

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