The abuse of power that lead to an economic meltdown.
To Locke 12:58 p.m. Jan. 30, 2013You said: "The U.N. passed 17
resolutions calling for action against Iraq to eliminate WMD's, and the
U.S. and allies followed up on those resolutions and went to war." What you
didn't mention (or perhaps you didn't understand its meaning or
import) is the fact that each and every one of those Resolutions contained the
following provision: The Security Council . . . "Decides to remain seized of
the matter." In legal-speak and diplo-speak, that means that the Security
Council retained jurisdiction over the issue and remained the only entity that
could decide how to handle Iraq including, but not limited to, being the only
entity to decide when (or if) a war would be started against Iraq. GWBush
usurped and pre-empted the Security Council's authority, and started a war
without authority, contrary to the treaty it signed when the United Nations was
established.For his own purposes, George had to invade when he did.
The hunt for WMDs was turning up nothing, and George would have soon lost his
excuse to invade Iraq. He badly wanted war with Iraq, so he invaded. Sad.
Redshirt.... just so you have the official white house report on wmd... This
is dated April 25th, 2005.“After more than 18 months, the WMD
investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been
exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey, “As
matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible.”In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look
at an investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators,
weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda conclude a
roughly 1,500-page report. Another addendum also noted that military forces in
Iraq may continue to find small numbers of degraded chemical weapons —
most likely misplaced or improperly destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War. So as far as the White House was concerned, they confirmed they found no
WMD, as described in the petitions to enter Iraq militarily... at least not to
the extend as was made in the justification to go to war.If they can
admit they made a mistake, why are others having such a hard time with it?
usraptor - you list would be compelling if it were true? For example..."Obama calling Bush a traitor" - no - Obama said it was
unpatriotic to double the deficit. I think I have heard the same claims from
the other side."Obama approves Keystone, offshore and domestic
drilling" - Nebraska just last month approved its portion. Obama legally
could not approve something the states had not approved first. How do you
approve a house plan before there is even a plan."Obama stops
issuing Obama" - really.... this program was started early past century...
they were land lines then.. but they were given out then too.Your
rhetoric is rampant with talk radio and blogespher baloney. Try really reading
up critically, from multiple sources, before you start spewing a bunch of half
truths and hate inspired opinions. You don't have to like Obama -
don't expect you to do so - but please do it off of facts, not semi truths
and fantasyland created rhetoric. Nothing is promoted with this kind of drivel.
USRaptor...Thanks for your excellent list. I totally agree!
I am not necessarily ready to say getting rid of yet another dictator was a
mistake. I do think all the lying that "justified" the war was a
mistake - one made with plenty of fore thought and planning. That
is what makes this fake outrage at Ms. Clinton from someone as politically
warped as McCain hard to watch. And to think, at one time, McCain and Palin
were the best the Republicans had to offer. Often you need to
consider the source... and in this case the truly applies.
It is ridiculous to compare Iraq to Benghazi! The American people deserve to
know who it was that told those who were prepared to go in and help the
Americans in Benghazi who were in harms way to stand down. Why were they told
to stand down? I believe the Obama wants us to believe his ridiculous claim
that Al Qaida is on the run..and what happened in Benghazi proved he is lying
about it. Americans deserve to know why the Ambassador was in Benghazi on 9-11,
a place where security was weak. The administration wants to blame all this on
not enough funding, when those who testified before Congress several months ago
said that is simply not true. It is people like you liberals here
who will give support to a marxist President and cause the demise of the western
way of life (which I happen to like and am quite attached to!)
Real MaverickYou'll get your apology when Democrats apologize for:*Obama calling Bush a traitor over the national debt and then he doubles
it in 3 years.*Christopher Dodd, Franklin Raines, and Barney Frank causing
the housing crisis by forcing banks to issue sub-prime loans and ignoring Bush
and numerous Republican who warned of the impending crisis.*Obama, Reid
and Pelosi ramming through ObamaTAX on an end run.*The Senate passes a
budget.*Obama cuts the Federal Government instead of increases it.*Obama and Clinton failing to send in help to Benghazi when watching it happen
in real time.*When Obama and Clinton quit lying about Benghazi and blaming
the attack on a video.*Obama releases his college transcripts.*Obama
approves Keystone, offshore and domestic drilling.*Obama reins in the job
killing EPA.*Obama stops cooking the unemployment numbers.*Obama
stops wasting billions on Green energy.*Obama stops issuing Obama phones
and reins in welfare.*Michele stops taking vacations on the tax payers
dime.*Eric Holder is held accountable for Fast and Furious.*Obama
stops appointing tax cheats to cabinet posts.*Obama stops funding the
I fully expect that we'll get an apology for the cascade of bad decisions
associated with Iraq. It will happen about the same time the Iraqis thank us for
our Baghdad urban renewal project better known as "Shock and Awe".
Bush lied, 4,500 American troops died.Republicans cut funding to
Benghazi...4 Americans died.
LDS Liberal, I fully agree with RedShirt. Your logic is completely illogical.
Also, please explain to me how Big Oil Companies were the winners in Iraq? As I
recall we were still paying well over $100 a barrel for crude oil last summer
which resulted in $5 a gallon gasoline in some states. If Oil Companies
benefited from Iraq why is that? Oh, I know it's a conspiracy between the
oil companies and Republicans to drive up the price of gasoline. A little
advice, LDS Liberal. If you can't discuss a position based on facts
don't result to name calling(ultra-cons). It just shows your ignorance.
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock,
his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid,
comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is
clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase
his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."-- Sen. Hillary Clinton "Without
question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,
leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat
because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is
miscalculating America's response "We know that he has stored
secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his
country."-- Al Gore"I will be voting to give the President of the
United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."-- Sen. John
When will repubs apologize for:Wrecking our economyPassing
Medicare Part DPatriot ActNo Child Left Behind2 wars in the
middle eastDoubling the money wasted in defense spending. What pork!Turning Clinton's surpluses and turning them into deficitsHorrible
tax policy which has only increased in inequalityTARPLack of green
technologyOil subsidiesPoor funding of educationObamacare
(which was their solution a few years ago)Doing nothing to solve
Was it a mistake to go to Moroco after Japan bombed us? Britian called for or
help a long time before we joined. Were there is national interest war may be
justified to free people from oppresion. Many countries insist we stay to free
them from people that you can't appease. If someone takes lives how can
you trust them to tell the truth or keep promises, like Chamberlein Neville
tried to do.
Yes excellent article. They should also apologize for not reversing the tax
break for the wealthy when they started the second unfunded deficit building
wrz: It's not the dems who are hypocritically frothing at the mouth over
this. The same repubs who voted to cut funding are the ones
"investigating" it, including the former football kicker. If Obama
is responsible for Benghazi then Bush is entirely responsible for 9-11.Anyone who supported Iraq has nothing to complain about.
@ECR:"And Secretary of State Colin Powell has since expressed sorrow
and regret for giving a speech at the UN that he later found to be lacking in
factual evidence."Perhaps Colin Powell (now a Democrat) shoulda
thought twice before he opened his mouth. He told us on O'Reilly that
everyone in the world... all intelligence gathering agencies around the world
said Saddam had WMD. "Without the deception on the part of the
administration, Congress never would have voted to approve the war."Congress spends millions yearly on their own intelligence gathering
activities. What's all that about? Besides, Congress loves to blame
someone else for their stupidity... reflecting a basic Democratic mentality."An apology is the least that can and should be given."Well, at least we had sort of an apology from Hillary about her and
Obama's stupidity re Benghazi.
Saddam Hussein admitted after he was captured that he had intentionally misled
the world to think he had weapons of mass destruction. He did so, in part, to
intimidate perennial enemy Iran.The U.N. passed 17 resolutions
calling for action against Iraq to eliminate WMD's, and the U.S. and allies
followed up on those resolutions and went to war. It was not the fault of
George Bush or any of the U.N. members that one of the war's major purposes
was (mostly) false (actually, just outdated)--they were deceived in a highly
sophisticated plot. Saddam had dismantled his weapons stockpiles, with only
minor remnants here and there, he just didn't tell anyone. A
brutal dictatorship that threatened the entire region was ended, tens of
millions of people were freed, and that's a good thing.Let me
just add: I'm no fan of George Bush.
@The Real Maverick:"Ha ha, Democrats didn't even need to try to
destroy Mitty. His own party and his own mouth did that for him."Then, what was that about Mitt killing someone's wife with cancer? Jeeps
made in China?"Poison gas is a WMD?"Wikipedia:
'WMD includes large-scale weaponry of technologies, such as chemical,
biological, radiological, or nuclear.'"In that case, I have
some WMDs every time I eat Mexican food."Then stay clear of
people when dining at Joe Banditos."I remember Cheney talking
about, 'The only sign of Saddam's WMDs being a mushroom
cloud.'"Occasionally, Cheney got it wrong."Silly me, and here I thought we were going after nukes!"No. That would be Iraq and Ahmadinejad."Why didn't we
wait for inspections?"Inspectors were not allowed in secret
places. Besides, Saddam moved the WMD to Syria... Didn't you hear?"Why didn't Germany or France join?"Chickens."Why were we searching for ways to go to invade Iraq
instead of containing him?"You don't contain a madman."They can only blame Clinton and Obama."Everything
is Bush's fault. Didn't you hear?
To "LDS Liberal" now you are nto making sense. You and your ilk say
that Iraq was a mistake.Now you say that we have to stay there
because Iraq was full of killers and people who murder anybody who comes to
close.So, either Iraq was good because we destroyed the nest full of
"killer" bees, or it was bad because the "killer" bees never
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UT...if the Republicans are at fault for the
war, why is it that the Democrats have voted year after year to keep funding the
war? Why don't they defund the war and end it?12:38 p.m. Jan.
30, 2013========== because, When someone was stupid
enough to kick down the beehive and tick off all the bees, is it a safe or a
smart thing to simply ignore what happened, ignore them and simply walk away
from it?Guess what, Those now angry "killer" bees will just
follow you home.[Which begs the question - could that be the hidden agenda
or alterior motive of GOP ultra-cons to feed the giant Military Industrial
Complex for generations to come?]
To those you you who still believe that the WMD's were just a ploy to get
us into a war for oil, please explain the following:"Troops
'foil Iraq nerve gas bid'" July 2, 2004"US did find Iraq
WMD" NY Post October 25, 2004"Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away
Pundits" NewsMax, May 17, 2004"WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued
in Iraq – With Surprising Results" Wired October 23, 2010"Iraq mortar shells contain blister agent" USA Today January 11,
2004"Bomb said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq" MSNBC
May 17, 2004"Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq" Fox
New May 17, 2004"Warheads with mustard, sarin gas found by Polish
troops in Iraq: Rumsfeld" Spacewar July 1, 2004"Hundreds of WMDs
discovered in Iraq" WorldNetDaily June 21, 2006If the WMD's
did not exist why was it reported at least 9 times that WMDs were found?Also to reflect what has been said before, if the Republicans are at
fault for the war, why is it that the Democrats have voted year after year to
keep funding the war? Why don't they defund the war and end it?
@Alfred"Saddam had WND"Had is the operative word
there, all his biological weapons were taken care of before the 2nd invasion.
All that was found was a bunch of old artillery shells with some deposits still
in. Hardly a "clear and present" danger to the United States was it.You also might want to read into how Saddam actually made that gas.
Samples of various biological weapons were sent from the US to Iraq during the
Iran-Iraq war in the 80's. In fact a lot of western nations provided Saddam
with all the material he needed.
wrz - if you recall, the Senate gave approval for the president to wage the war
in Iraq for two reasons:1. They were told that doing so would force
Hussien to come forward with the location of the fantom WMDs (but he
didn't)...2. ...and Congress was scared into giving such
approval in the days and weeks following the worst attack on American soil and
the willful misleading of the public and the Congress by the Administration and
their cohorts at the CIA - "We don't want the next smoking gun to be a
mushroom cloud", said national security advisor Condoleeza Rice on Sunday
morning TV. And Secretary of State Colin Powell has since expressed sorrow and
regret for giving a speech at the UN that he later found to be lacking in
factual evidenceWithout the deception on the part of the
administration, Congress never would have voted to approve the war. The damage
to our national budget and the loss of brave soldiers in this misguided endeavor
is exceeded only by the divisiion this war caused among the people of the
nation. An apology is the least that can and should be given.
"Trying to destroy Republican Mitt Romney was not a minor issue for
Democrats."Ha ha, Democrats didn't even need to try to
destroy Mitty. His own party and his own mouth did that for him. 47 percenters,
members of his own party bashing women and minorities, and Corporations are
People didn't exactly help his campaign."called poison gas
of some kind."Poison gas is a WMD? In that case, I have some
WMDs every time I eat Mexican food. I remember Cheney talking about,
"The only sign of Saddam's WMDs being a mushroom cloud."Silly me, and here I thought we were going after nukes! I should have known
that we were merely going after intestinal disorders. Why
didn't we wait for inspections? Why didn't Germany or France join? Why
were we searching for ways to go to invade Iraq instead of containing him? It
was a heck of a lot cheaper and easier to contain him than to "break"
and "buy" that country.Repubs, the party of
non-accountability will never apologize for their mishandling of the deficit,
economy, health care, entitlements, and foreign affairs. They can only blame
Clinton and Obama.
@Eric Samuelsen:"I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that
apology, though."Apology for what? Going to war against a
tyrant who had WMD? If you'll recall, Saddam had WND. He used them to
kill Kurds in the north of Iraq... called poison gas of some kind.
Excellent letter. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that
@the old switcharoo:"Here, here (did you mean 'hear,
hear?'), an apology for Iraq is in order from republicans."If you'll recall, the Iraq War would not have happened without
congressional approval, including Democrats such as Dodd, Kerry, Reid, and
Clinton. And the war would not have continued without continued congressional
approval... including when it was controlled by Democrats. Keep that in
mind."Trying to destroy Clinton pre presidential election 2016
is not a minor issue for republicans."Trying to destroy
Republican Mitt Romney was not a minor issue for Democrats."But
we have reels and reels of praise for Clinton from even Limbaugh when she was
running against Obama. I can't wait to bring them out."I
can't wait to hear Clinton reiterate that Obama is not a citizen and thus,
not eligible to be president.@Ernest T. Bass:"Furthermore,
most House repubs voted to decrease funding for embassy security prior to this
event. Now they're the ones lobbing stones at Mrs. Clinton."Are you forgetting Senate Democrats also had a hand in decreased funding... as
well as the President. Why the selective finger pointing?
Ms. Clinton's feeble rationalization of the Benghazi fiasco was
embarrassing. Weapons of mass destruction were thought to exist by both parties
prior to the Iraqi war. The left wing conveniently forgets their complicity.
Obama's war in Afghanistan will match Iraq as a futile and expensive
Let's not forget that during the election campaigns, our own Jason Chafetz
boasted that he had voted against "wasting" money requested by the State
Department for embassy security.Funny, how quiet he has been about
that since the Benghazi attack.
@ECR and Hutterite: I think you are confusing "mistake" with
"accident." Intentional actions can be mistakes (like deciding to try
to outrun the train to the crossing). The Iraq war was a conscious, deliberate
action. It was also terribly wrong, a mistake.higv: "While
were at it we should also apologize for the Revolutionary War, Civil War,
Mexican War, Spanish American WAr, World WArs I and II, Korea and Vietnam. They
cost lives."The point is not whether a war costs lives-- they al do--
but whether the war is justified and the losses are in the national interest. A
positive case could be made for the Revolution and Civil War. Apologies are
probably due for the Mexican and Spanish American wars, both trumped up affairs.
Defense Contrators and Oil Companies were the only "winners" in
Bush's cooked up, and 100% fabricated wars.I'd like ONE
Conservative to show me in the Consitutiton were non-existant WMDs, Military
Hardware and Oil sales could circumvent the entire Congress and the
Constitutional authority to justify "war".The correct word
for it was for Bush's activity is - Pilldge.
As was noted earlier, whatever Iraq was, it was not a mistake. It took a lot of
horsepower on the part of the administration to cook up enough evidence and
cobble together a coalition to justify the invasion, and all of it was
calculated and deliberate.
My nephew served in Iraq and volunteered to go back two more times after
receiving the Purple Heart. I asked him why. He said "because I can do so
much good there for the people." He was thanked numberless times on a daily
basis by the Iraqi people. Maybe had it been your freedom that was preserved
you wouldn't be so quick to condemn the war. Arm chair quarterbacks are
seldom right on calling the plays.
@higvAnd how, exactly, did invading Iraq help in the eradication of
terrorism and terrorists?How exactly did invading Iraq "preserve
freedom liberty?" I spent a year there doing my best to "preserve
freedom liberty." Their freedom and liberty are not more valuable than my
life and the lives of the thousand of Americans who died there. There are more
terrorists, despots, and thugs in the world than we can "take out." We
can't police them all.
Furthermore, most House repubs voted to decrease funding for embassy security
prior to this event. Now they're the ones lobbing stones at Mrs. Clinton.
While were at it we should also apologize for the Revolutionary War, Civil War,
Mexican War, Spanish American WAr, World WArs I and II, Korea and Vietnam.
They cost lives. We can't appease all terrorists there are times in order
to preserve freedom liberty is worth more than life.
Here, here, an apology for Iraq is in order from republicans. And an apology
for ignoring warnings a month before the 9/11 attack and allowing the steel from
the twin towers to be shipped off to China before investigators even arrived.
(destruction of evidence)Benghazi is a minor issue even to
republicans. Trying to destroy Clinton pre presidential election 2016 is not a
minor issue for republicans. But we have reels and reels of praise for Clinton
from even Limbaugh when she was running against Obama. I can't wait to
bring them out.
"That war, which was mistakenly entered into by President Bush, Vice
President Dick Cheney and the neocons..."That's the only
sentence in this great letter with which I disagree. I don't belive it was
a "mistake" by those who led us into the war. I believe it was a
deliberate action taken for less than noble reasons. Whether it was the belated
attempts to complete the eleimination of Saddam Hussein, something left left
undone after Desert Storm, or willful actions meant to enrich specific companies
whose surrogate held one of the highest offices in the land, the false premises
that led us to the invasion of Iraq and the deep divisions that war has caused
in our country need to be addressed in the halls of Congress and in the