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  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Jan. 31, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    The legislation or system allegedly put forth in 93, by a handful of questionably conservative republicans, was only proposed as an alternative to the massive socialistic program and 100% government healthcare takeover being forced on us by Hitlery Clinton! Obviously it didn't pass , into law! Leftists nuts need to get a grip, and try to stay on track with real facts. Turn your own dumb question around, and ask yourselves why Obamacare is the answer today, if it wasn't back in 93? You had the same situation, liberal house, senate and prez?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    Badgerbadger, you missed the point that LDS Liberal was making, but that's understandable, seems like you don't take much time to read what others say. "Your posts are so ridiculousness that I rarely even glance at them" Oh well.

    It also seems like you have a rather loose grasp on history. But it seems that is true for many conservatives. Oh well.

    Christian 24-7, you really need to take a couple of deep breaths and relax.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    Funny.

    No one said 'tax the federal government' for the war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

    C'mon. Solutions here my friends.

    Raise taxes?

    Balance the budget first?

    No?

    Ok...

    blame Obama.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    Mr. Bass "Just shut down half the military bases worldwide and we could fund healthcare for all Americans."

    You are kidding, right?

    Have you looked at how fast medical care costs are rising? Have you looked at medicare and medicaid trends?

    The department of social security estimates Americans spent 2.4 trillion on health care in 2008. That was 17% of GDP, and more than double the entire defense budget. I am mathematically 100% confident you can't squeeze 2.4 trillion out of a portion of a 900 billion dollar budget.

    I suspect that the numbers we deal with on a national budgetary basis are too large for most of the population to understand. Many people think anything over a million is infinity. I have news for those people, the government does not have infinity dollars, and neither do all the rich people and corporations, put together.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    Wow, the cons just keep getting more and more crazy.
    Just shut down half the military bases worldwide and we could fund healthcare for all Americans.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    LDS Lberal
    "I have been consistant - i.e., shown integrity - during that whole time."

    Then you suggest the republicans inflicted Obamacare on the country?

    So NOT integrity!

    Those nasty republicans, Governor Romney, and Senator Hatch launched an evil scheme in 1993 to make future democratic senators and representatives, who would be elected in 2008, create and vote for a 2400 page health care bill without even reading it?

    So laughable! So ridiculous! How did they do it? Hypnosis? Voodoo dolls? Secret brain implants? With that kind of power you would think they could get elected!

    Try this one.

    Obamacare is a democrat creation and infliction. No Republican voted for it, or signed it.

    That is a what a statement of integrity looks like.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 29, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    couple points Badger.

    Libs point was that it seemed like a good conservative idea in the past. Hardly the typical beginning of Socialist Legislation.

    And, Romney, at one point, did think that Romneycare would be good for the nation. There are plenty of clips of him (in the past) advocating that his healthcare plan would be a good model for a national health care plan.

    Feel free to give Romney a pass, but ignoring the facts never helps.

    ----

    So, because business takes advantage of a situation, that is Obamas fault?

    Maybe they need a regulation or two to help them do the right and fair thing. Wont happen as businesses bribe Republicans and Democrats to protect their cash cow.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Badgerbadger
    Murray, UT

    Or are you just a troll?

    2:19 p.m. Jan. 29, 2013

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    Speaking of trolls --

    I've been a regular on the DN board for over 5 years now.
    I have been consistant - i.e., shown integrity - during that whole time.

    You on the other hand -- "Badgerbadger" -- have just popped up in just the last couple of days,
    but your comments have been as far out there extreme as anything I've read from Mike Richards, RedShirt, JThomposn, Voice of Reason, and LWhite.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    LDS Lib,

    Your posts are so ridiculousness that I rarely even glance at them.

    1993 - don't care. Nothing passed. Not wasting my time.

    The bill that passed, the ACA, was in 2010. Romney didn't vote for it or sign it, or write it. He was not in office. He was in NO WAY INVOLVED.

    It was passed by democrats. Not one republican voted for it, in either house of congress. Democrat president signed it.

    So tell me again how the republicans passed this?

    Is your field of vision really so narrow that you can't see the truth?

    Or are you just a troll?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    Badgerbadger
    Murray, UT
    JoeBlow

    So which party perpetrated this program, and this lie, about nationalizing health care making it all better, on you?

    That would be the party of the man that loves having his name on the program.

    1:04 p.m. Jan. 29, 2013

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    Um, that would have been the Republican Party, as far back as 1993.
    And you must of course be referring to ROMNEY-Care.

    Repubican thinktank - The Heritage Foundation --
    ... don't forget, it was Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT)—who introduced similar legislation in 1993; and of course former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    JoeBlow

    "Once Obamacare goes into effect, there will be many more insured people. That would mean that there "should" be less "inflated" costs that have we have always been told were necessary to cover the uninsured.

    Does anyone expect that hospital costs will drop? I believe that the prices will stay the same and it will end up being a windfall for the insurance providers and the hospitals."

    Glad you can see that you have been lied to about this.

    So which party perpetrated this program, and this lie, about nationalizing health care making it all better, on you?

    That would be the party of the man that loves having his name on the program.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 29, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    "The ER costs a lot more than an office visit, so the perceived savings is now eaten up by ER visits."

    What do you think they are doing today? Hint - they are going to the ER.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    To "JoeBlow" so you add all those people to insurance pools, but you don't add enough doctors to take care of those new people. Now, you have the Massachusetts solution. In some areas the Doctors are unable to keep up with demand in their offices, so people go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more than an office visit, so the perceived savings is now eaten up by ER visits.

    See "John C. Goodman: Why the Doctor Can't See You" for more explaination of how Obamacare will make things worse.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    "Incredibly brilliant Republican" is an oxymoron.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Byron, I'll gladly tax the federal government for Obamacare when you agree that we should tax the "federal government" on Medicare part D, Shock and Aw in the Middle East, $700 billion annually in defense spending, bank bailouts, and Sarah Palin's bridges to nowhere.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Nonsense.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Before Obamacare:

    Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast cancer - By Mary Ellen Egan

    Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...

    Yeah.

    Obamacare is 'so bad'.

    Sarcasm off.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Is this not why the Utah Speaker of the House is so upset with the Feds because Utah gets 30% of it's income from every other state in the Union and that revenue source is in doubt because of obstructionism that has become fashionable in some circles of Washington. Utah, a state I love, that receives more than it gives. Utah, a state I love, that received it's own bailout in 2002 for skiers and a cauldron and such. Utah, a state I love, that forgets that they are part of the very government that they loathe. Utah, a state I love, whose leadership has long ago forgot they are representatives of all the people and not just 2% of them. I think it is time to remind them.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Tax the medical provider? Won't that just mean they will pass that cost onto the patients? Tax the government? As the US government is in debt, what purpose will that serve?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    The States that opt out should pay 100% of Medicaid. Better think twice before you get the government of your back and all of the money spent in your State too. Getting rid of your nose will get even with your face.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Time to stop acting as children. That's what this letter writer and his ilk need to do

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    What exactly does the letter writer think we already do? We are the government, those people back in dc are simply our representatives not some independent organization. Every time e vote we Tyne federal government decide to raise or lower the taxes on ourselves. It's time to as the far right likes to say take some responsibly and stop acting like the federal government is something put upon us.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Some people are looking for real solutions, not made up stuff.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Jan. 29, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    For the sake of the poor that cannot afford insurance lets hope that Utah has the good sense to follow Arizona's lead. Are you listening Gov?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 29, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    "It has no money, but it keeps adding 1000 employees per day"

    Not even close. Care to cite a "respected" source for that gem?

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    Isn't that effectively what the Federal government does. It has no money, but it keeps adding 1000 employees per day, taking over the health care industry, advertising for people to get on good stamps, expanding the scope of disability. Don't worry. They will just print more money.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 29, 2013 6:07 a.m.

    Once Obamacare goes into effect, there will be many more insured people. That would mean that there "should" be less "inflated" costs that have we have always been told were necessary to cover the uninsured.

    Does anyone expect that hospital costs will drop? I believe that the prices will stay the same and it will end up being a windfall for the insurance providers and the hospitals.

    Business always outsmarts the government (with the help of politicians with their hands out)