The legislation or system allegedly put forth in 93, by a handful of
questionably conservative republicans, was only proposed as an alternative to
the massive socialistic program and 100% government healthcare takeover being
forced on us by Hitlery Clinton! Obviously it didn't pass , into law!
Leftists nuts need to get a grip, and try to stay on track with real facts. Turn
your own dumb question around, and ask yourselves why Obamacare is the answer
today, if it wasn't back in 93? You had the same situation, liberal house,
senate and prez?
Badgerbadger, you missed the point that LDS Liberal was making, but that's
understandable, seems like you don't take much time to read what others
say. "Your posts are so ridiculousness that I rarely even glance at
them" Oh well. It also seems like you have a rather loose grasp
on history. But it seems that is true for many conservatives. Oh well. Christian 24-7, you really need to take a couple of deep breaths and relax.
Funny.No one said 'tax the federal government' for the war
in Iraq/Afghanistan.C'mon. Solutions here my friends.Raise taxes?Balance the budget first?No?Ok...blame Obama.
Mr. Bass "Just shut down half the military bases worldwide and we could fund
healthcare for all Americans."You are kidding, right?Have you looked at how fast medical care costs are rising? Have you looked at
medicare and medicaid trends? The department of social security
estimates Americans spent 2.4 trillion on health care in 2008. That was 17% of
GDP, and more than double the entire defense budget. I am mathematically 100%
confident you can't squeeze 2.4 trillion out of a portion of a 900 billion
dollar budget. I suspect that the numbers we deal with on a national
budgetary basis are too large for most of the population to understand. Many
people think anything over a million is infinity. I have news for those people,
the government does not have infinity dollars, and neither do all the rich
people and corporations, put together.
Wow, the cons just keep getting more and more crazy.Just shut down half
the military bases worldwide and we could fund healthcare for all Americans.
LDS Lberal"I have been consistant - i.e., shown integrity - during
that whole time."Then you suggest the republicans inflicted
Obamacare on the country?So NOT integrity!Those nasty
republicans, Governor Romney, and Senator Hatch launched an evil scheme in 1993
to make future democratic senators and representatives, who would be elected in
2008, create and vote for a 2400 page health care bill without even reading it?
So laughable! So ridiculous! How did they do it? Hypnosis? Voodoo
dolls? Secret brain implants? With that kind of power you would think they could
get elected!Try this one.Obamacare is a democrat
creation and infliction. No Republican voted for it, or signed it. That is a what a statement of integrity looks like.
couple points Badger.Libs point was that it seemed like a good
conservative idea in the past. Hardly the typical beginning of Socialist
Legislation.And, Romney, at one point, did think that Romneycare
would be good for the nation. There are plenty of clips of him (in the past)
advocating that his healthcare plan would be a good model for a national health
care plan.Feel free to give Romney a pass, but ignoring the facts
never helps.----So, because business takes advantage of
a situation, that is Obamas fault?Maybe they need a regulation or
two to help them do the right and fair thing. Wont happen as businesses bribe
Republicans and Democrats to protect their cash cow.
BadgerbadgerMurray, UTOr are you just a troll?2:19
p.m. Jan. 29, 2013========= Speaking of trolls -- I've been a regular on the DN board for over 5 years now.I
have been consistant - i.e., shown integrity - during that whole time.You on the other hand -- "Badgerbadger" -- have just popped up in just
the last couple of days, but your comments have been as far out there
extreme as anything I've read from Mike Richards, RedShirt, JThomposn,
Voice of Reason, and LWhite.
LDS Lib,Your posts are so ridiculousness that I rarely even glance
at them. 1993 - don't care. Nothing passed. Not wasting my
time.The bill that passed, the ACA, was in 2010. Romney didn't
vote for it or sign it, or write it. He was not in office. He was in NO WAY
INVOLVED. It was passed by democrats. Not one republican voted for
it, in either house of congress. Democrat president signed it.So
tell me again how the republicans passed this?Is your field of
vision really so narrow that you can't see the truth?Or are you
just a troll?
BadgerbadgerMurray, UTJoeBlowSo which party perpetrated
this program, and this lie, about nationalizing health care making it all
better, on you? That would be the party of the man that loves having
his name on the program.1:04 p.m. Jan. 29, 2013=========Um, that would have been the Republican Party, as far
back as 1993.And you must of course be referring to ROMNEY-Care.Repubican thinktank - The Heritage Foundation -- ... don't forget,
it was Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT)—who introduced similar legislation in
1993; and of course former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
JoeBlow"Once Obamacare goes into effect, there will be many more
insured people. That would mean that there "should" be less
"inflated" costs that have we have always been told were necessary to
cover the uninsured.Does anyone expect that hospital costs will
drop? I believe that the prices will stay the same and it will end up being a
windfall for the insurance providers and the hospitals."Glad you
can see that you have been lied to about this. So which party
perpetrated this program, and this lie, about nationalizing health care making
it all better, on you? That would be the party of the man that loves
having his name on the program.
"The ER costs a lot more than an office visit, so the perceived savings is
now eaten up by ER visits."What do you think they are doing
today? Hint - they are going to the ER.
To "JoeBlow" so you add all those people to insurance pools, but you
don't add enough doctors to take care of those new people. Now, you have
the Massachusetts solution. In some areas the Doctors are unable to keep up
with demand in their offices, so people go to the ER. The ER costs a lot more
than an office visit, so the perceived savings is now eaten up by ER visits.See "John C. Goodman: Why the Doctor Can't See You" for
more explaination of how Obamacare will make things worse.
"Incredibly brilliant Republican" is an oxymoron.
Byron, I'll gladly tax the federal government for Obamacare when you agree
that we should tax the "federal government" on Medicare part D, Shock
and Aw in the Middle East, $700 billion annually in defense spending, bank
bailouts, and Sarah Palin's bridges to nowhere.
Before Obamacare: Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With
Breast cancer - By Mary Ellen Egan Yesterday, an investigation by
Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast
cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that
automatically targeted... Yeah.Obamacare is 'so
bad'. Sarcasm off.
Is this not why the Utah Speaker of the House is so upset with the Feds because
Utah gets 30% of it's income from every other state in the Union and that
revenue source is in doubt because of obstructionism that has become fashionable
in some circles of Washington. Utah, a state I love, that receives more than it
gives. Utah, a state I love, that received it's own bailout in 2002 for
skiers and a cauldron and such. Utah, a state I love, that forgets that they are
part of the very government that they loathe. Utah, a state I love, whose
leadership has long ago forgot they are representatives of all the people and
not just 2% of them. I think it is time to remind them.
Tax the medical provider? Won't that just mean they will pass that cost
onto the patients? Tax the government? As the US government is in debt, what
purpose will that serve?
The States that opt out should pay 100% of Medicaid. Better think twice before
you get the government of your back and all of the money spent in your State
too. Getting rid of your nose will get even with your face.
Time to stop acting as children. That's what this letter writer and his ilk
need to do
What exactly does the letter writer think we already do? We are the government,
those people back in dc are simply our representatives not some independent
organization. Every time e vote we Tyne federal government decide to raise or
lower the taxes on ourselves. It's time to as the far right likes to say
take some responsibly and stop acting like the federal government is something
put upon us.
Some people are looking for real solutions, not made up stuff.
For the sake of the poor that cannot afford insurance lets hope that Utah has
the good sense to follow Arizona's lead. Are you listening Gov?
"It has no money, but it keeps adding 1000 employees per day"Not even close. Care to cite a "respected" source for that gem?
Isn't that effectively what the Federal government does. It has no money,
but it keeps adding 1000 employees per day, taking over the health care
industry, advertising for people to get on good stamps, expanding the scope of
disability. Don't worry. They will just print more money.
Once Obamacare goes into effect, there will be many more insured people. That
would mean that there "should" be less "inflated" costs that
have we have always been told were necessary to cover the uninsured.Does anyone expect that hospital costs will drop? I believe that the prices
will stay the same and it will end up being a windfall for the insurance
providers and the hospitals.Business always outsmarts the government
(with the help of politicians with their hands out)