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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 29 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Title: ‘Is America in decline?'

Only if you listen to AM hate radio
or
are 55+, White, and male [Archie Bunker],
or
are a member of the 1% who own 80% of everything.

Irony of the day --
Those who say they love America more than anyone else,
trash talk it more than anyone else.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

You had me until the conclusion. I don't think the answer is to make people work until they are 75 or so and not support the poor. "welfare states are overwhelmed".

Really? Denmark is the happiest place on Earth to Disneyland's dismay. A small country that uses it's resources for all it''s people and not just a few who hoard all the money.

Personally, I think extreme capitalism and selfishness is overwhelmed in this country. You just can't give the top couple percent 90 percent of the wealth and have enough left over. The poor rich will just have to buckle down buttercup.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

No, the country is not yet in decline, but Wall Streets success is hardly a harbinger of sucess. The country must solve the deficit problem, the gun slaugher problem, a bloated military budget, and political obstructionism from forces that don't believe that government has any answers. It needs to change the tax structure so that corporate interests and the very wealthy are not favored. It needs to respond to "Citizens United" so that political contributions and special intrests are not buying our elected representatives. Finally, American attitudes need to change. Selfishness is justified on phony alter of catch prases like "personal and individual responsibility" Guns are valued more than life, the pursuit of wealth is our God, and we have become a hard uncarring society where national disasters now become political foder for right wing ubstructionism.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

No Federal budget in 4 years. Stale economy. Stubborn unemployment. Dysfunctional Federal government and several state governments. Crippling debt and out-of-control government spending that no one seems willing to address. Traditional values that underlie any strong society have been discarded and derided. Re-election of a really bad president and members of Congress.

Of course America is in decline. Most Americans won't realize the country has fallen until the government checks stop coming, they lose their jobs, and cities crumble. Unless you live in Detroit...

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Hey... keep writing and publishing these downer, depressing articles.
Keep listening to Rush Limbaugh and the likes of him. Negativity, paranoia, and sadness will saturate your life.
Be sure you share this message with your children, and grandchildren each day, as well
Feed their minds with thoughts of America's decline, along with a good dose of distrust, hatred and fear.
Then ponder why the young in our society act as they do.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

When you foster intolerance and hate...

what other possible outcome would you see?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

America is not in decline. It's a robust 50-nation enterprise that will continue to outperform everybody else if we can push back against the Right Wing that wants America to fail. Comparisons to the Roman Empire are instructive: Rome was a plunder economy based on slave labor that, interestingly enough, fell only after it enforced monolithic Christianity. Similar to what the Right Wing wants to do to the USA.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

LDS liberal.

"55+, White, and male [Archie Bunker],"

Talk about racical profiling. This is proof that the facist authoritarian left wants to incite a civil/race war. in this country. There are more people with a different color that think the same way than the massmedia will ever admit. My wife being one of them. The Black Rapper

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Wow, people are all over the place making political attacks where none really exist.

The big question is how do you define decline? Do you look at social aspects, economic aspects, opinion polls, or what?

Religiously we are seeing fewer people attending weekly church meetings, does that mean we are in decline?

We have many people leaving the work force and going on disability or retiring, is that a sign of decline?

We have had some job growth over the past couple of years, does that mean that the US is doing better?

Plese define what you mean by decline before making politically charged statements.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

If cut me off for some reason. The rappers name was Lupe Fiasco who i agree with 100% politically because he happens to be a libertarian. Just tore apart obama at the inagural ball. The secret service just removed him from the stage but yet the media didn't rport it because they want to keep Obamas detractors male and white so reporting this would 've been counterproductive towards the divided totalitarian police state that is being set up.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC
LDS liberal.

"55+, White, and male [Archie Bunker],"

Talk about racical profiling. This is proof that the facist authoritarian left...

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Not my words -- but the words from the GOP themselves [Haley Barbour, and Bobby Jindal come quickly to mind] after they assessed losing the Women, Hispanic, and Young vote demographics last election by 30-40%.

FYI - and for the last colleged educated time -- Facism is extreme RIGHT-Wing - polar opposite Left.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC
LDS liberal.

"55+, White, and male [Archie Bunker],"

Talk about racical profiling. This is proof that the facist authoritarian left...

===========

Not my words -- but the words from the GOP themselves [Haley Barbour, and Bobby Jindal come quickly to mind] after they assessed losing the Women, Hispanic, and Young vote demographics last election by 30-40%.

FYI - and for the last colleged educated time -- Facism is extreme RIGHT-Wing - polar opposite Left.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
Wow, people are all over the place making political attacks where none really exist.

Religiously we are seeing fewer people attending weekly church meetings, does that mean we are in decline?

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Know the treatment of "religous" and intolerant folks like you RedShirt, Mike Richrads or JThompson - one should hardly be surprised.

I'd rather stay home, pray and read my scriptures,
than listen to the weekly endless parrotings of Conservatives figurehead Rush Limbaugh [a 4 timed married and divrced, No children, former drug addict] and Sean Hannity in Sunday School and Priesthood meetings.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

When something is in "decline", it is not working. If my health is "declining", something is physically wrong with me. If my house is "declining", it needs repairs.

If our nation is in "decline", it needs fixing because something is not right.

Economic prosperity cannot be fixed by transferring wealth from one sector to another. That might "fix" the "wealth problem" of one sector at the expense of another. Economic prosperity can only be fixed if there is more wealth. Wealth is created when more people are working. More people can work when businesses make a profit. Businesses make a profit in countries where the government is small and efficient; where taxes are levied ONLY to cover the duties that are required, not the duties that special interest groups demand.

A family cannot pay the personal debts of its neighbors. The government cannot force us to "adopt" three or four or more extra children, to care for them, to educate them, to provide healthcare for them; but that is exactly what they're doing through taxes. We pay for our family's personal welfare AND for those that the government "adopted" into our families.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Each individual controls her destiny to many an extent. However, I would say as a whole the answer is obvious. While a superpower certainly, an economic powerhouse and still an engine of innovation, we probably peeked out in the late 1950's and early 1960's. It's not by saying that means we are doomed and perhaps we can have other peaks, perhaps even surpassing this time in our country's history. Overall I am optimistic but still worried about my children's future and the destiny of our great nation. But this time (late 1950's and early 1960's) was the only time where the middle class was expanding. Health care costs and a college education was affordable. Also, positive social change was beginning to happen and America's prestige, power and influence was large. We still had problems and challenges and for many groups like women and minorities, things were not better than perhaps now for these groups and that must be factored in, but I think overall things were better then than now.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

If you blame the so-called "decline" in America on: Homosexuals, abortion, non-believers, separation of church & state, evolution and the poor, then you are what's wrong with America.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Since the unfunded Iraq war, until the reelection.

one old man
Ogden, UT

No, America is not in decline. We have our ups and our downs.

But we are not in decline.

No thanks, however, to the GOP or AM hate radio. They might want people to believe we are in decline, but we're not and won't be unless they manage to take over.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Economic prosperity cannot be fixed by transferring wealth from one sector to another.. .Economic prosperity can only be fixed if there is more wealth." The problem with this is how the wealth was divided up at the point of creation. It now disproportionately goes to the risk taker rather than the worker who actually created it. If my work creates $10 an hour worth of wealth, and it takes $4 an hour to support me, you can't give $9 of the wealth I create to the "boss" and not in some way shape or form need to trasfer back $3 of that $9 to me so that I can survive. I realize the simplicity of my model but that's the purpose of models and it does accurately describe our meta situation.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" what have I said that is "intolerant"?

Yes in the past I have shown that you are are 100% Wrong in your beliefs of LDS Doctrine. But that is not intolerance, unless you call it not being tolerant of lies.

Personally I would rather listen to Glenn Beck, you know that repentant commentator. He teaches LDS doctrine to non-LDS people, and helps people to become more self sufficient.

The irony of your last post is how you attack Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and anybody who listens to them. You call lots of people intolerant, while showing a lack of tolerance yourself.

What did Jesus say to those who tell people to do something while not doing it themselves? Where is your tolerance, the fact that you would rather sit home, pray and read scriptures than go somewhere where people have a different opinion only shows that you are not tolerant of others.

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