Cincinnatus'I find no fault with how you handled things. Good
luck to you guys.
Worf, although you and I are approaching this issue from two different
directions, I don't think we are so far apart.I have had some
tough times in the past, and I have accepted assistance to put food on the table
for my family or handle medical costs. These were times that I'd either
lost a job, or when I was going to school and was having a difficult time making
ends meet- even while working full time. I am very grateful for the help I
received that got me through hard times. I DO have a problem with
people who abuse the system, who use it to live on. But, I know there are
people who do need help, and we do better as a society helping those who use the
assistance to get themselves up and going again. It would be nice if it could
all be handled by churches, families or friends, but as I said before, that is
not always an option.Myself, my wife, and 3 of my daughters now all
work and pay back into the system that helped us once.
Cincinnatus,I don't believe in failure. People give up, and
quit trying. Myself, and your neighbor aren't the monsters you make us out
to be. I can't believe in a great country as ours, that success can't
be found.Don't think I haven't had errors, challenges, and
mistakes in my life. I've lost jobs when my family was dependent on me, and
payments were due. I've had heath problems also. No one is exempt from
problems, but you really can find solutions. You toughen up, and find ways to
survive. I took no government handouts, and worked my way through
college, and found stability. I have three children who graduated from college
with no assistance from anyone. There are endless possibilities for success.
You learn to survive.Americans of today have a different motivation
then our ancestors. Solutions vs Whining
Sorry worf, but your analogy gets a "D."Getting a D because
you didn't study enough is far different than a woman who ends up alone
through divorce (or death of the husband, etc.). The student who gets a D could
have studied more and gotten an A, and both students get an A. The outcome is
not based on one person losing their A so someone less deserving can get it.
The grading curve also states that if only one person gets an A, someone else
must get an F.But someone who falls on hard times, such as these
"many women" who "choose unwisely" and need assistance, are in
danger of losing a place to live, something to eat, or in extreme cases, their
lives.Your comments sound much like a neighbor of mine who said,
"I don't want to have to pay taxes to help anyone else. It's my
money. I'll give the poor something if I think they need it." Nice.
So the next time you lose your job and can't find another, I'll let
you lose your house and starve to death, because that's better for me.
@Cincinnatus--get over what? I simply said "where do you draw the
line?".I just believe people should take responsibility for
their lives, and decisions. Many people do that, but others don't. There
are times when people do need help, but when it comes to almost half the
population---"where do you draw the line"?Compare this to a
classroom. Should an honor roll student give up points to a "D"
student? How would a "D" student ever become responsible if a teacher
keeps taking, and giving? Many teachers use a curve to higher the
grades. This benefits no one, and you don't tell the "A" student to
get over it.
Agree with Mr. Ramsey 100%. I would add that these are funds that you've
likely been paying into for years. Your parents have likely payed throughout
their lifetimes without ever drawing on them. Don't feel guilty about using
them to get back on your feet. If you do, you will likely reimburse the system
many times over. You are probably one of the smartest investments the government
Worf,Exactly the kind of comment I'd expect coming from you.
Yes, people make mistakes- get over it. I'm sure you haven't lived an
error free life. But, blaming the woman for making a poor decision, for having
children? Wow. I've known a number of women who thought they were
marrying a great guy. Maybe he was, but things changed. The guy began to beat
them, or cheat on them, or turned out to be a bum. They should have seen into
the future and known that?So, since they chose "unwisely" we
should just let them and their kids starve, live on the streets, etc.I like Mr. Ramsey's level headed approach to this. I'm not
advocating that everyone run to the government for aid. And, I'd agree
that there are those who take advantage of the system. Family, church, friends,
etc. certainly should step in and help when they can, but unfortunately, some
don't have those options, and those people and organizations can only do so
Many women choose unwisely when it comes to marrying someone, and having
children. Many choose unwisely when purchasing things and going into debt.Where do you draw the line, when making someone else pay for wrong
decisions? Call them greedy, and selfish? Tell them they didn't build
their success, but someone else did? Make them pay a little more?California, New York, and nine other states, have more people on assistance
than in the work force. It's destroying our country, and economy. Help should come from common sense, relatives, friends, and local relief
centers. Being a nurse, this woman should be able to get back on her feet.
I wholeheartedly agree about the advice Mr. Ramsey gives on government (or any
kind) of assistance. We all go through hard times and need help once in a while.
But these programs are meant to be a bandage, not a prosthetic. I know people
who are disabled, confined to a wheelchair and have little or no use of their
limbs, who still manage to work full-time jobs and support themselves as much as
they can. I also know of people who are perfectly able-bodied that are
classified as "disabled" because of some genuine medical condition, that
subsist completely off of assistance programs simply because "it's
easier than getting a job." Yes, these people have legitimate limitations,
but there's no reason they can't get jobs and provide for themselves
as much as possible, without relying completely on assistance programs. I also agree with what he said about money and family. Too often we
impart trust on family members, simply because they are that: family. People
should still take some measures to protect themselves and hold family members
accountable. A written agreement should be used when loaning larger sums of
money. In my opinion...
What a great comment from Mr.Ramsey about the food stamps. Firstly, I've
been on the receiving end of some assistance in my life, so I do believe that it
can be a great thing when properly utilized. I did receive the same kind of
advice from a mentor who told me the same thing that Ramsey did to this person.
Sadly, I don't think that this advice is given to all who utilize these
programs. I wished that people could see that this was a temporary situation,
instead of permanent. I see a lot of people who are more than able bodied, that
aren't working, and when asked why not, they state they don't need to
because they have "support". It is the liberal way of thinking to give
someone a handout, yet a conservative will give you a "hand up" There is
a huge difference, and it's the reason that Obama won the last election.
The poor in the inner cities and urban areas didn't want to lose their