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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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4word thinker
Murray, UT

I can see requiring a big polluter to shut down when an inversion pattern begins, to protect the air we will be stuck with for the next week or two.

But the liberal notion of taking money from the polluters and giving it to the people is crazy. Here is what would happen to it. Federal government makes a bureau to handle this task. They take the money from polluters. 80% goes to pay for the bureau. Payouts to people are minuscule. Government gets bigger and more powerful. Valley is still polluted.

As the liberal posters here love to point out,

"you can't breathe money".

This is liberal hypocracy at its best.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Kennecott's emissions are regulated by the government. Now someone wants to put the government in charge of billing Kennecott for excessive emissions. Why not mandate that a bureaucrat be sent to your home every morning to start your car and to turn on your furnace? Why not just turn everything over to the government? They've done such a wonderful job teaching our kids, keeping us healthy, and keeping our streets safe.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

In utah, man cannot modify the climate. Therefore any effort to correct the current issues we are experiencing is a non starter.

Impartial7
DRAPER, UT

" Why don't they close down or reduce activities on red air days? Why haven't they cleaned up their emissions (technology is available)? "

Because Big Polluters send Big Dollars to our Governor & Lawmakers.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Adding a costly layer of bureaucracy and giving a household money doesn't relieve asthma. Addressing a problem with a bad solution is not the answer. Try again.

booshway
Woods Cross, UT

Which decade are you living in? Kennecott doesn't pollute like it did in the 60's. They have had a new stack and scrubbers etc. for years now as required by the EPA. Carbon isn't a problem in our atmosphere anyway. Stop believing the global warming religionists. And why the attack on Kennecott? They are offering a help to people who can use the bus passes rather than drive their cars. And in case you don't realize it, it will be YOU who are paying the carbon tax. Corporations do not pay taxes, WE are the ones paying those through higher prices, lower wages, etc. Taking money from one person/group and giving it to another is unconstitutional. There is no provision for it anywhere is the Constitution.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"But the liberal notion of taking money from the polluters and giving it to the people is crazy."

You mean that "liberal notion" that was first introduced by Republican George H W Bush?

It was called emissions trading when President Bush proposed it. Now it is called Cap and Trade.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

JoeBlow,
sounds to me like you want bush back

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

True, Cap and trade was a conservative idea from way back just like mandatory healthcare insurance.

People have such a team mentality they are willing to live with dirty air because someone else in their political party is making more money by polluting than not.

I'd rather be associated with clean air.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"JoeBlow,
sounds to me like you want bush back"

No, what I want is for people to be consistent.

And to recognize that the GOP does EXACTLY the same thing as the dems.

The first poster calls this a "liberal notion". If that is a liberal notion, than all I want is to understand that the GOP has been pushing "liberal notions" for years.

Just like the insurance mandate was a Heritage foundation concept backed strongly by the GOP. But now it is branded as "socialist".

I am not defending what those on the right label "liberalism". I am just pointing out that both parties do it.

The right gives an easy pass to everything the GOP does, regardless of how liberal and then screams bloody murder when the dems do it.

See the disconnect?

Sensible Scientist
Rexburg, ID

We have to realize that some processes that are necessary to our survival will have some inevitable, unavoidable air pollution -- it's a price we simple have to live with (it cannot be totally eliminated). Mining is one of those processes. Transportation is another.

Imposing financial penalties for unrealistic expectations results in lost jobs and a slower economy. It's not worth the price, not matter your motives.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

CO2 is not a pollutant, neither is it the cause of smog.

If you're going to complain about pollution, at least you should know what you're talking about.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Asthma

COPD

Heart Attacks

Stroke

Lung Cancer

All of these things will start being more recognized during 'red alert' days in Utah, where they factually ENCOURAGE you to avoid going outdoors and the population in Utah goes up.

Hard to be proud of a state where the air makes you sick.

one old man
Ogden, UT

While I believe we need to do something, this is simply not a realistic solution.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Pagan" unfortunately your complaints are not substantiated.

Take Asthma for example.

If you look at the demographics of who has asthma, you would expect that the senior citizens in Utah would have a significantly higher asthma rate than the youth. However, according to the Utah Health department, the old and young have nearly the same asthma rates. Next, if you look at asthma rates in various areas around the state, you have high asthma rates in the areas of low population density, how do you explain that?

With lung cancer, if pollution is the cause, why does Utah have the lowest lung cancer rate in the US?

Rio Tinto Kennecott
South Jordan, UT

Ms. Allbury's letter contains an inaccuracy that needs correction. Kennecott contributes approximately 3.8 percent of particulate emissions to the airshed on a typical winter day and about 5.8 percent of particulate emissions annually, not one-third or 30 percent. See how our emissions are accurately calculated by viewing the February 2012 PM 2.5 FAQ on the Kennecott site under Environment.

Our partnership with the Downtown Alliance to provide free transit passes and our work with numerous other companies to assist with the development of idle reduction programs are part of our commitment to find action-oriented solutions to the air quality problems faced by Utah’s citizens.

Kyle Bennett-Kennecott spokesperson

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

This is Utah, and Science is a sham.
Sudies are controlled by Liberal elitists at the Colleges and Universities - where they are controlled by special interest groups who pay for them.

There is no smog - it is a natural inversion, and has always been in the valley even before 1847.

Man is considered too puny, and can not change or control the environment God himself has created.

...and only smoking tobacco can cause heart and lung disease along the Wastach front.

[sarcasm - off]

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

The headline writer messed up. CO2 is colorless and odorless. If that's all Rio Tinto emitted, we would be in great shape.

Inversions are the result of geography and weather - there's nothing we can do to prevent them. We can and are doing something about the gunk we emit that gets trapped in them - does nobody remember the 1940s? But we need to be reasonable about it. For example, we could shut everything down during inversions, but would that leave us better off? I don't think so.

People with serious health risks due to inversions should probably consider relocating, and I don' t mean that to be offensive. Most people here survive the inversions just fine.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

Oops. I see now that the letter-writer also suggested that carbon emissions are the problem - it wasn't the work of the headline writer. CO2 emissions aren't the problem. They having nothing to do with inversions or the pollution that builds up during inversions. CO2 emissions foster plant growth, so we certainly shouldn't tax that.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Tax driving during inversions by doubling gas prices when we are choking on fumes.

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