Funding education in this state is a joke...Herbert states he wants to fund WPU
at a small percentage increase, yet they stop funding travel expenses to pay for
this...they stop funding retirememt to pay for this...they stop funding FICA to
pay for this...they require programs with no funding attached.The
local school boards use up this WPU increase as well as funding with local taxes
the cuts the state has made and are now going into their depleted reserve funds
to keep status-quo.This state is a joke!
This is really not logical for this Governor to come up with this statement in a
non-election year when he has 4 years to go before running again. It is more
rhetoric than words that will happen. He has said his point and the Legislature
will do it's typical thing about public education and downplay any positive
efforts that have happened in the past year. They will highlight how great
charter schools are with all their "successes" and their positive
efforts. It is amazing how those efforts to tear down public
education and the outstanding teachers that are required to teach all students,
not just the rich and brilliant in private and charter schools. The dedicated
teachers who teach in public school read the Governor's letter to the world
and wonder where the real meat is as the Legislature will tear down anything
good in their dream world of getting elected to such an important office. We need Legislators to stand up for the educational system and the
leaders and teachers in that whole process. Is it perfect? No, Governors and
Legislators always find a problem and highlight it when millions of interactions
happen daily in public schools.
Please double my property taxes and use the money in our schools. First order
of business, fire the teachers who perform in the bottom 10% and fire 20% of
administrators. Next, hire better teachers to replace the bad ones (don't
replace the administrators.) Then the next year evaluate how many more teachers
need to go - perhaps another 10%?Our kids aren't ready for the real
world. Period. We need better teachers. Period.We have some of
the best teachers in the world, they will tell you than many of their piers have
no business being in front of kids.Our schools are terrible because we
hire the wrong adults.
I am single, I claim one exemption, myself. Every year at tax season my
friends with large families can hardly wait for their large tax refund. I
usually pay federal and claim a small state state refund. hmmm.
Thank you Governor Herbert for placing an emphasis on education in the State of
Utah. While it is easy to criticize from the sideline, you have worked hard to
fund education during very difficult financial times. Our demographics are such
that matching the average per capita student expenditure would be difficult.
Your willingness to at least make a move in that direction is to be applauded.
sounds like UT needs to reconceptualize its taxation system. sales taxes are
Utah does NOT need vouchers. Anyone who is not satisfied with our schools can do
like many Catholic parents and take their children to a private school even
though their Utah Income Tax dollars support public and charter schools.BTW, what is the graduation rate for the excellent Catholic parochial
schools in this area?
voucher students in Milwaukee, Wis graduate 94%. Are we doing better. We need
vouchers. They would result in better education. ISn't that our goal.
Simply spending money does not result in better results. Look at the big cities
they give teachers $75,000 in Chicago and $12,000 or more for each student twice
what we do and hardly half graduate from high school.
Thankfully Sir Robin Utah isn't like Washington D.C. with hundreds of
thousands of urban poor youths, most of which come from high crime areas and
single parent families. And how has cutting the purse strings
helped Utah. Years ago when we weren't last in funding our education was
much higher ranked compared to other states. We weren't dead last in
educational rankings for states with similar demographics (racial/ethnic make-up
and poverty levels). So I guess it's all about perspective and
how one really looks at the data...I also think that common sense
dictates that smaller classes would be better for kids. It also make sense to
me that highly paid and highly motivated teachers would be better for kids. It
also would seem that having experienced teachers versus less experienced
teachers, which Utah is getting more of, is also better for kids.Or
Sir Robin you can use your statistics to compare Utah to Washington D.C. and
think you have a legitimate argument. I would argue they probably should invest
more there and certainly much more here unless mediocrity (or worse) is our end
I am an "underfunded" product of the Utah Public Education System. I
will put my K-12 education up against anyone's (private or public) and I
did not take AP classes in high school . Brave Sir Robin hit this right on the
head. I applaud Utah for it's efficiency in creating competitive people on
a low budget. We need more government run programs that run as well as the Utah
School System. Certainly we wouldn't worry so much about the national debt
if that were the case. I must say that I am probably the best of
the Utah School System. I went to some of the best schools and I came from a
family that taught me the importance of education. Money may have played a role
in the school I went to, but when push comes to shove a good education is a
personal responsibility and no amount of money can force someone to be
successful in school. Spending less does not always equate to getting less.
I just can't believe him when he says this. The pattern of the Republicans
in control is simple: Big words, less money.
Those of you who are clamoring for more money for schools: I challenge you to
provide objective data that shows school funding leads to better test scores,
higher college acceptance rates, or any other educational metric. You
won't be able to do it because it doesn't exist.But did
you know that America's best-funded school district also has America's
highest high school dropout rate? Stark proof that funding does not equal
educational success.Now back to your regularly-scheduled uninformed
ranting about our underfunded schools.
Where are the parents in this discussion?Typical liberal mentality
is to blame someone other than the main people responsible for the problem. It is a parents responsibilty to make sure their children advance in
education. Parents should be spending several hours a night doing homework with
their kids 7 nights a week if that is what it takes to make sure their kids are
where they need to be.
Actually the state constitution said that 100% of the income tax was to go k-12
education until back in the late 80's or early 90's when the
legislature illegally changed it to include higher education as well. This was
done before anyone realized what they were doing and our schools have suffered
terribly ever since then. We didn't used to be last in every category when
it comes to public ed but we are now.I'm hoping some of the
more moderate conservative legislators that have recently joined the legislature
will fix the mess the good old boys have created over the last 10 years or
so.Get back to basics. End the charter school fiasco which is
producing schools that are achieving BELOW the normal schools in the same
neighborhood. They are a joke and we need to end this experiment NOW.Fund the schools. Our roads are in good shape. We don't need more crazy
Governor Herbert can show he REALLY cares about education when he supports
adequate funding for education starting by eliminating the deductions for
dependents from the Utah Income Tax since all Utah Income Tax dollars currently
go toward funding education.Why aren't Utah parents willing to
pay as much to educate their children as they expect others to pay?
It is 2013. When are we going to see this actually happen?
Re: "We need a new paradigm for capitalism that brings back the
redistribution of wealth . . . ."Hmmmm.Sounds a lot
like the old paradigm for redistributive socialism [communism].
The unfortunate truth is that education will not guarantee a job, let alone a
good job. Beyond the strategies of the rich and powerful to favor
their own, the need for workers is becoming a lost cause. Technology and
automation has not only destroyed jobs, but for the few jobs remaining has
reduced the education required. The jobs created by the new technology and
automation fall short of the jobs displaced. This plus the availability of well
educated people from foreign countries spells death for the capitalist system as
we now know it. We need a new paradigm for capitalism that brings
back the redistribution of wealth that was a mainstay of the old system because
business cannot exist without consumers and consumers have to have a way to get
money to spend. Without killing the incentive of business to innovate, invent
and improve, we must legitimize a new way to redistribute wealth. The only way ordinary people can obtain money legally and honestly is with a
job. If the private businesses won’t hire, the government must.
Unemployment should be eliminated from the path for the future of our
In other words: "I think education is a very high priority for our state,
and I have no intention of doing anything meaningful to improve it."
Business as usual for Republicans: empty rhetoric, but no action.