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Published: Sunday, Jan. 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

So what research do you have which proves that the cars being pushed by their gas mileage are causing the increase in deaths?

To borrow a repub zinger and apply it here, "Cars don't kill people they are a tool. Idiot drivers kill people."

Instead of bashing Obama and his green friendly agenda lets focus on the selfish drivers and their poor education. Remember, we're dead last in per-pupil funding.

one old man
Ogden, UT

May I nominate this letter for Dumbest of the Month?

I agree that psychiatrists need to report worrisome people. But the problem is that "privacy" laws -- pushed and passed by conservatives, by the way, usually prevent that.

We also have a problem in that no one can be prevented from packing a gun until they have been convicted of a FELONY. Yet a huge number of people who have been convicted of violent acts that were only MISDEMEANORS may still legally carry guns.

That means that about 2/3 of active gang bangers may carry. It means that in a majority of cases in which a gun is used to murder someone in cases of domestic violence, the ones carrying the guns are legally able to do it. Do we need to change the laws to include a history of violent misdemeanors in laws preventing gun possession.

This letter is a classic example of trying to divert attention away from the real problems and push it toward some kind of imaginary nonsense.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

I argue that the first right any person has that government should not have anything to do with is marriage not guns.

The idea that a person needs to get a permission from the government to get married goes straight back to the Kings and theocracies the deified forefathers fled.

Your right to own guns is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures nor were the "bearing of arms" practiced by Christ. Keep your guns for goodness sake, I'm sure not going to come take anything from crazy people. If that attitude happens to get you into the millennium I bet it will be quite a sight to see gun nuts destroying their guns into pruning hooks.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Switcheroo,
You mean Peter did NOT use a sword to cut off the servant's ear when they came to arrest Jesus at the garden? And anyone who owns a weapon is crazy? I guess we know your opinion of Peter.

Maverick,
I guess you've never seen the studies showing those in 2 ton SUVs survive crashes much better than those in subcompacts. Too much MSNBC for you! We may be dead last in per pupil funding, but NOT in standardized test scores. We must be doing something right.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Didn't Christ make it clear enough when he put the soldier's ear back on?

Still lost.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Switcharoo,
Christ may have reversed the action, but He still allowed his chief apostle to be armed. It appears that fine distinction may have slipped past you.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

To what end did he allow him to be armed? He chastised him, put the ear back on and allowed himself to be taken.

Christ was the example so show me where he was ever armed or encouraged it. The distinction between a often erroring servant and Christ has not slipped past ME.

Let's see what the modern church has to say and DO. And be clear, nobody is even hinting as a gun total ban.

In the wake of the Newtown, Conn. shooting, a Mormon Church-owned company announced Tuesday night it was suspending all gun listings on its popular classifieds site.
In addition to removing gun listings, KSL.com — the online hub for Salt Lake City's NBC affiliate, which is operated by church-owned Deseret Digital Media — took down the "Firearms and Hunting" section from its website. A company statement that replaces the site's gun section says they were "profoundly saddened" by the Newtown shooting.
"In the wake of other similar incidents, important questions have been raised about the ease of access to guns," the statement reads. "These questions deserve time for careful consideration and we are confident that an appropriate resolution will be found."

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

The writer of this letter is correct -- on both counts. Good letter.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

REal Maverick, you are right. Idiot drivers do kill people or hurt them. What a moment of clarity you must have had.

Statistics from the NTSB and IIHS state that smaller cars are indeed not as safe although they are getting better. I was driving on Bangerter the other day, saw an accident involving an Impala and some kind of new Fiat. The full sized Impala trashed the little Fiat. There were two ambulances on scene and it looked like they were working on both of the occupants of the Fiat. The driver of the Impala was out walking around. It looked like the Fiat turned right on a no right turn signal and got biffed by the Impala that was in the supposedly protected left turn lane. Fiat driver not paying attention. Luckly the Fiat got hit in the back quarter and the accident was not a true t-bone or the passenger would have been possibly more than hurt.

Moral of story? Cars are rolling time bombs. The chance of being hurt, or worse is potentially 100% every time you get in one. The fact it dosen't happen means most people drive safely.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Old switcharoo, I'm pretty sure that the Savior would knew that Peter had said sword because he was all about people using their agency (as Peter did). I'm also sure that he knew what Peter would do with the sword. But he let Peter use his agency to defend him.

Kind of like the gun debate. Bad people have their agency and sometimes use it improperly to bad result. Good people have their agency and usually exercise it to good result.

Agency is about using your freedom of choice to make bad or good decisions. Agency is given to us by the big guy upstairs.

Buying a gun, or having access to one is generally a good choice. It is those few evil people that give the choice of law abiding citizens a bad name.

So if you are going to bring religion into the gun debate, make sure you all know what you are talking about.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

BTW Old Switch, The DNEW print ads still have some guns in from time to time. KSL made a business decision. A bad one, but none the less a business decision. I'm pretty sure that Pres. Monson didn't have any input in the decsion.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on and circular logic.

You need guns so they won't take your guns and you love the constitution so much you are willing to attack the government formed by the constitution.

I keep asking and maybe it won't "disappear" this time, who exactly do you plan on pointing all these guns at?

I'm just saying when you have a picture like the one attached to this story and use the threat of guns in the political process, I'm not seeing the distinction of that and the terrorists we don't like from overseas.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

one old man
Ogden, UT
May I nominate this letter for Dumbest of the Month?

[I 2nd the motion!]

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Flashback
Lost in DC

Jesus told Peter to put his sword away,
and replied;
Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword.

Keep your guns.
You have your agency to choose your method of death.

BTW- Christ's promise goes both ways for the Peacemakers.
Those who do not take up weapons,
will not perish by weapons.

think about it.

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