To "WHAT NOW?" I would prefer more of a libertarian minded freedom. The
Progressives in the Republican party are not better than the uber progressives
in the Democrat party.To "LDS Liberal" you are all over the
place. You won't admit that the problem is the mental health of the
nation. Simply providing mental healthcare is not the solution, that again only
treats the symptoms and not the problm.Look at the studies out
there, social media, and lack of religious conviction are killing us.How do you mandate changes to the culture? How do you mandate people to be
good and caring neighbors?Your ilk still won't recognize that
there is NO DIFFERENCE between an assault rifle and a semi-automatic hunting
rifle. You want to ban something based on looks only, not actual function.
Freedom? In gerrymandered Utah? I guess there is freedom if you are a right
wing republican political gun nut.
There absolutely is a right to property. You guys need to do your homework, as
Connor has done. The founders changed the wording in order to not embolden
slave owners who wanted to declare their slaves as "property." Every
effort I make, every calorie I spend, every bit of work I do creates
"property" and it belongs to me. Perhaps it would be more clear if you
think of it in terms of intellectual property. The principle inherent in this
right is that we get to keep the results of our labors. (Obviously the IRS is
ignorant of this fact.)
ShaunMcC.Our rights as applied to human beings exist only so far as
the other human beings we associate with, allow us to have. If God had given
the rights to human beings, I think he would not have done such a unfair,
haphazard, incomplete job. The DOI was a recruiting poster and an
employment contract alluding to the motivations of the writers using words an
phases to sell their cause to the American colonists. Their statement: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to
secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men”is
typical of the hucksters then and now who make improbable statements followed up
by the fine print. I do not ask you to accept my version but
merely to look around in your own world and analyze the source of your freedoms
and rights, and their limitations. Also, the purpose of a car is
transportation, the purpose of a gun is to kill. They have different rights.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahHuman history has not changed.
There has always been those who reject agency, those who demand that they have
the right to change OUR laws without our consent...Whose plan is
that? Who is its father? How many of us living on earth today rejected that plan
and that plan's author? America is free...Those enemies
to our freedoms are vocal, but their premise is backwards. Returning
to the fundamentals assures good and proper government.12:57 p.m.
Jan. 25, 2013============ Here we go again...Speaking of backwards -- Who's trying to force morality and
Forcing everyone to choose the right - always.And taking away all Free
Agency in the process by banning:SmokingDrinkingpre-marital and homosexual sex, dictate clothing standards, all
abortions (even those specifically outlined by LDS Church standards), some
religions, while promoting others, cetain books in schools, While we might agree with Theology in many aspects Bro. Richards -- The
How's and the Why's are dimetrically opposed. BTW - Why
ARE you covering and defending AG John Swallow?Putting Party Politics
ahead of Right and Wrong, perhaps?
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, UtWhy not figure out some way to
improve communities and mental health issues that face us? We don't have a
gun problem, we have a mental health problem, and your ilk wants to treat the
symptoms and not the cause.12:33 p.m. Jan. 25, 2013============= 1. Obamacare provides mental health for ALL
Americans - what was the GOPs counter-proposal? Oh ya, more of the same --
NOTHING!2. My proposal for Assault rifles is nothing more than what
is already required for fully trained and authorized users. When was the last
time a soldier or policeman walked in mowed down a classroom full of
children?3. I'm with V.P. Joe Biden on this one. Like Brinks
armoured Security or any other topnotch security forces used worldwide,
including the President's own Security detail -- I'll choose a 12
gauge security shotgun over an assault rifle to protect my family of intruders
Any argument that guns were supposed to protect from tyranny was an argument
between states rights and the federalist. It's not so you personally get to
decide that the political process din't end up how you wanted it too so you
get to shoot at the government. Whatever that means.
I just read my first post. I appreciate the supports in the 'Like'
column, but the syntax is terrible. Sorry about that.
@rs1701"...our freedoms...".Fascist totalitarian
jack-booted republicon thug proscribed freedoms?See how easy it is
to demonize? Two can easily play, at your simplistic, never ending
daily demonizing diatribes...Insane?Republicons have
long continued to de-fund mental health programs.America is reaping
and will continue to reap the whirwind of that false economy.
Those who mock the Constitution don't want to have a "measuring
stick" that can be used to show that their demands are out-of-line. They
don't believe in "founding principles". They believe that
government, not God, is the source of liberty. They want to rule over us. They
want to reign. They want to take from the producers and transfer that wealth to
themselves and to their friends.Human history has not changed. There
has always been those who reject agency, those who demand that they have the
right to change OUR laws without our consent, those who think that there is a
privileged class in America and that they are that class.God gave us
agency with accountability. The left demands to control our agency without
accountability. Whose plan is that? Who is its father? How many of us living
on earth today rejected that plan and that plan's author? America is free because we accepted the responsibility to govern ourselves and
to limit the power and scope of all levels of government. Those enemies to our
freedoms are vocal, but their premise is backwards. Returning to
the fundamentals assures good and proper government.
To "LDS Liberal" if "Progressives" are continually improving
things and advancing, why is it that their policies are just the failed policies
of socialism and communism? Should we rename them "Repeatists" because
they only seek to repeat the mistakes of the past while thinking they can do it
better this time?I would rather be part of the group that is seeking
to conserve and preserve our freedoms.Your tests for purchasing
assault rifles is insane. All that will do is drive people to buy the same
caliber hunting rifle with all the same capabilities.Why not figure
out some way to improve communities and mental health issues that face us? We
don't have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem, and your ilk
wants to treat the symptoms and not the cause.
A long disquisition but nothing we don't all already know and agree on, Mr.
Boyack. What exactly is your point? (except for "the right to property"
-- there's no such right in any framing document or law).
@ShaunMcCLa Verkin, UTVehicles are involved in the death and
maiming of thousands every year but we don't blame the vehicles - we blame
the drivers that misuse them and try to educate or take the right to drive away
from those who exhibit a disregard for law or other's safety.========= OK then, let's compare -- You are
agreeing that assault gun owners should:Pass written comprehensive
testing, Pass practicle use range testing, Pass extensive background
checks, Pass physical and mental evaluation checks, and test and
recertify every year?...and keep all weapons and ammo secured in a
gun-Safe, or Armory?Because that is what is REQUIRED for the ALL Military
and Police who use these exact same weapons.And as for the vehicle
analogy you guys keep bringing up -- Property Tax,Mandatory
Insurance, Testing, Registration, Safety inspections, Back Ground checks...Look, The point is, there is room for
compromising -- but YOU guys have got to start bringing something to the
table.So far all we hear is MORE Guns, and even LESS Retrictions,
and the American people far and wide, aren't not buying that one
Amendment 3, passed in Utah in 2004 changed the definition of marriage in the
Utah state constitution from two people... to one man, one woman.
Again, that was in 2004. Thereby eliminating any change of gay
marriage in Utah. This letter is selective in what rights people
have, and who should have them. Claiming 'freedom' only when they fit
one demographic while not considering others. This is not
'freedom'. This is a letter about what the author wants. Not giving
any consideration to anyone else. Oh, yeah and don't play video
Actually, Ultra Bob, the original draft of the Declaration included property as
an unalienable right. It was removed after much discussion because it may have
been construed that people have a right to have property they have not earned.
It IS an unalienable right to control or own the property you create or earn.
Also - LDS Lib, I disagree with your characterization of Conservative principles
as "Do Nothingism" (I would characterize it more as "stop doing harm
and taking away rights in the name of progressivism"), I disagree with
"Conservatives" on many issues, but when it comes to guns and the misuse
of same, I agree with them that ownership and use of guns is not the problem.
Vehicles are involved in the death and maiming of thousands every year but we
don't blame the vehicles - we blame the drivers that misuse them and try to
educate or take the right to drive away from those who exhibit a disregard for
law or other's safety. That may be a better blueprint than taking away guns
from the citizenry. Remember Trolley Square? One man with a gun stopped a
It amazes me that conservatives feel they can independently add words and
meanings to documents like the Declaration of Independence. There is
no such thing as the “right to own private property”.
ShaunMcCLa Verkin, UTOur legislators are supposed to be a
"deliberative" body, which takes time to decide and uses thought and
principles to make the good choices that will give us a better future instead of
a worse one (which is what politicians give us when all they care about is
emotional response or the next election.)9:17 a.m. Jan. 25, 2013============== The Columbine massacre was 14 years ago.They had plenty of time, and have done NOTHING.To which, the
occurances have been increasing - not decreasing.The Conservative
policy of "Do Nothingism" - is not working.Time to reevaluate, and
try something else.Yes - I know it's "Progressive".But Eternal Progression and Perfection is something I believe in.
Good conceptual article. The fact that it has not taking sides in some of the
controversies du jour simply means it is taking about general principles. It
seems as though the commenters are filling in their own definition of
unalienable rights. At least the editorial stimulates discussion. Utah, by
consensus one of the best run states, is less of a one party state than
Massachusetts, NY, Vermont, Rhode Island, Minnesota, DC although it's not a
state, California and most of the large US cities.
@mikeyso23"Our 2nd amendment right IS there to protect us from a
tyrannical government"As I have mentioned in other stories how
much use is an AR-15 against an Abrams tank? Can an AR-15 help you dodge shells
fired from an A-10? Can it protect you from gas that can turn your body into a
pile of sludge?Lets not forget the weapons your government is
developing such as lasers that can blind a large amount of people at once,
railguns and tungston rods launched from space that will hit with enough force
that no warhead is needed.Time has moved on since the second
amendment was written and the US population has not kept up with the arms the US
military has in its stockroom.
I have held for a long time that unless we base our decisions on principles of
truth (or fundamental principles) as this author states, our decisions will take
us further and further from what we really want - even when made with the best
of intentions. When we, instead, make decisions on knee-jerk or emotional
response of the moment, we ignore the possible negative consequences they will
create. Our legislators are supposed to be a "deliberative" body, which
takes time to decide and uses thought and principles to make the good choices
that will give us a better future instead of a worse one (which is what
politicians give us when all they care about is emotional response or the next
Adding assault rifles and large clips to the list of items the second amendment
doesn't necessarily guarantee you can have, like tanks or ballistic
missiles, doesn't necessarily curtail our freedom somehow. The line is
drawn somewhere; maybe we can move it a bit closer to sanity.
Maybe read it again? It is pretty clear to me that Connor is calling for 'a
recurrence to fundamental principles' in order to protect our individual
liberty and ensure a free government.
While, in fact, the author believes that government has no right to deny anyone
marriage, so you are mistaken in your assumption. And yes, it is an individual
right to own a 'black' gun, or an assault rifle - as antagonists love
to call them. The fact remains that less than 1% of violent crime is committed
with these types of weapons (were not used at Sandy Hook by the way as the media
originally reported). Just consider this for a moment... why is our government
so focused on banning guns that are used in such a small number of crimes?
Interesting that they are the very same guns that the Department of Homeland
Security has recently bought a billion rounds of ammunition for (these are for
domestic use, in situations of 'civil unrest'.
After reading this, I'm frankly not sure exactly what he's pushing.Sounds like just some more political fooferaw to me that can be taken
any way any reader wants to take it. That's one of the most essential
skills any politician must have. The ability to talk and talk and talk -- and
actually say nothing.
We do have competitive elections in Utah, and we even elect liberal Democrats in
some areas. The fact that we live in a state where the majority of the people
are religious conservatives, impacts the way we vote as a whole, but does not
alter the political process. I would actually love to see more balance and
diversity in Utah, but not at the sake of individual rights. Connor's
article is about protecting our inalienable rights. Whether you believe God gave
them to us or not is beside the point. The government does not have the
authority to take our rights away. Our 2nd amendment right IS there to protect
us from a tyrannical government, and one only needs to look at history to
understand its importance. And buying gold is simply a smart way to hedge
against the eroding value of the dollar, thanks to a government that has grown
ridiculously huge and is incapable of slowing down their astronomical spending.
I, for one, am happy not to 'look' like the national mainstream - a
movement that continues to tear down the constitution and the principles our
Founding Fathers built this country on.
Reading this, I was left with the distinct impression that things the author saw
as "wrong" (same sex marriage, for instance) should be prevented, even
though it was an "individual right", while things he saw as
"right" (assault weapons, for instance) should be allowed.This entire piece comes across as hypocritcal and self righteous.
The founding fathers strongly supported competitive elections, and the idea that
our fellow citizens would serve in office. What has evolved, in Utah, is a
single party with career politicians. This political one-way street is hurting
everyone in the State - including republicans. Guns, Gold, and God is the
mindset. You need to have a gun to protect yourself from the federal
government, you need gold to barter with when the federal government falls
apart, and you strongly believe that God's wrath will befall those without
Guns and Gold. This foolishness makes Utah look like a bunch of backwoods
conservatives that are not part of the National mainstream.
When I saw the title: ‘My View: How to promote freedom in Utah’I thought it was going to say something about a balance of power, or a
system of checks and balances.Meanwhile - We live in the closest
Totalitarian, One-Party system of Government in the dwindling Free World.