@atl134: you missed the biggie, which is that nobody has successfully correlated
atmospheric CO2 with warming even though they've spent decades and billions
of dollars searching for the CO2 signal. It isn't there. All of the
proposed "fixes" will have absolutely no effect on the climate,
according to the science. So why are we having this conversation?
Our grand children may have a balanced budget and California may be literally
under water. Wait till the Chinese have the same mindset as conservatives,
cities will be inhabitable in inversions. Cheap fossile fuel and gas masks.
“If you really think the environment is less important than the economy,
try holding your breath while you count your money.” – Dr. Guy
@Pops[It's unfortunate how people keep attributing "more
tornadoes" and "more hurricanes" and "more drought" to
human-caused global warming. There's no science to back up those
assertions. ]1. Stronger, increased frequency of drought with
warming is something backed up with climate science. Same goes for floods (this
sounds counter-intuitive but basically it says rain storms will be
stronger/wetter so flood events get worse, and evaporation increasees when
it's warmer so drought events would get worse). However it varies based on
location. Like the expansion of the Hadley circulation would expand the desert
regions for instance.2. More hurricanes is indeed not really
projected in the research, though the research suggests they will be
stronger.3. The IPCC report notes there is basically no correlation
between warming and tornadoes. In fact if anything it's actually possibly
more likely than not that tornado frequency would decrease with warming since
the Arctic warms faster than the tropics, reducing the temperature gradient
between the two regions."the alarmists predictions didn't
happen"Arctic sea ice is declining much much faster than the
predictions. The 2000s were the warmest decade in the modern record. 2012 was
the warmest la Nina year.
"After all, fighting global warming is all about spending more money.
"Actually it's investing in measures that are projected to
help us save money long term by reducing future costs.@Redshirt1701"By your ilk, I mean progressives an liberals in both
parties"Progressives and liberals opposed the Bush tax cuts and
the Iraq war, the biggest non-recession reasons the deficit has grown so much
the past decade.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Need to get our heads out of the
sand on this global warming issue.
There's a difference between ignoring facts and putting facts into the
proper context. Earth has been warming since the end of the Little Ice Age.
Warming appears to have slowed or stopped, beginning 15 or 16 years ago, but
we're still at a peak, so yes, we're going to set records, but only
because we have no records from before the Little Ice Age. And, by
the way, the United States was hotter than normal last year, but other places on
the planet were cooler than normal, such as Siberia (if I've remembered the
chart from UAH correctly). Overall, last year was the 8th hottest of the last 10
or something like that. Nothing to write home about.Did humans cause
the warming? It's not likely, since it's been going on since the early
1800s. And nobody has been successful at finding any reasonable degree of
correlation between atmospheric CO2 and global climate even though they've
been trying for 30 years. So, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if I were
you.Rain freezing on contact has to do with precipitation from
warmer air falling through an inversion. That's weather, not climate.
Last year was the hottest on record. This week, rain that froze on
contact.I cannot dispute people who ignore the facts.Good day.
It's unfortunate how people keep attributing "more tornadoes" and
"more hurricanes" and "more drought" to human-caused global
warming. There's no science to back up those assertions. In fact,
they've gone down in recent years.We've been on this
"human-caused global warming is going to destroy the planet!" kick for
decades, and what has happened? The computer models ended up being wrong, the
alarmists predictions didn't happen, the hockey-stick papers by Mann and
Briffa were full of errors, Al Gore has made a fortune as a con man, and life
goes on. There's no reason to spend one more dime or one more minute
fighting a problem that doesn't exist except in the fevered imagination of
people detached from reality.
Last republican president who led a year of no deficit, Eisenhower 1957Last democrat president who led a year of no deficit, Truman 1951Clinton claimed to have a balanced budget, but is was a lie, backed by voodoo
economics. He had a deficit every year of his presidency, hence the debt rose
every year of his presidency.
If repubs were really for fiscal responsibility then why weren't they
responsible during he 8 years under bush? When was the last time a repub
president balanced the budget?
PaganSalt Lake City, UT"In a world with global warming there
would be no water to grow your crops."What? All the water on the
earth is escaping gravity and leaving the earth system because of global
warming? What scientist told you that? We need to see this
evidence!This changes everything. Before we were told the sky is
falling. Now you say it is rising!We better act quick on this.
You don't believe he should spend time on a weather pattern that can
destroy many coastal cities and towns? That can be the cause of crop failures
ending in starvation for millions? If this is not important, what is?
Remember when Bush and all the republicans were all about the hydrogen economy
and how it was good for the planet? I remember well because I knew it was a red
herring for real change that wasted at least a decade in making any real
progress.I haven't heard anything about the fake hydrogen
economy in years. Ethanol is the same game.
PaganSalt Lake City, UTIn a world with global warming there would be
no water to grow your crops.Drought.Famine.At what point would
you realize, you cannot eat money?11:02 a.m. Jan. 25, 2013=============== They say their Christians,but they
don't read their scriptures.Brigham Young talked about the time
when a bushel of wheat would be worth more than a bushel gold.But
their too worried about what happened in Benghazi, if Obama has a birth
certificate, and who staged the Sandy Hook massacre so the Government could come
get their guns...Just because their world never has enough
conspiracies to explain their reality, doesn't mean the rest of have to
agree with their AM radio fables.Even Glenn Beck was telling them to
pipedown on all the Conspiracy non-sense the other night...
I seems to me that some people see climate change as a problem that needs to be
addressed and are generating proposals to combat it. Others, rather
than making counter-proposals or coming up with their own ideas, just seem to be
denying that the problem exists. If conservatives want to do some
good, they will debate the proposals themselves rather let so-called liberals
take credit for any solution.
To "LDS Liberal" what are you talking about??? Conservatives are
fighting the deficits. You and your ilk are the ones who have been running it
up. By your ilk, I mean progressives an liberals in both parties. Just look at
the $6 Trillion that your uber liberals have added over the past 4 years.To those of you who think that we should destroy our economy in favor of
the environment, go to Netflix and watch "Cool It". It is a film, that
is produced by an AGW alarmist. He believes that CO2 drives climate change, but
he states that economically the proposals make no sense. He shows how more
lives could be saved by not implementing the protocols and regulations that are
Much of the deficit we face is now being driven by massive storms and the
dollars needed to clean up. National flood insurance system worked fine for 50
years but since Katrina has gone belly up. Sandy will cost a trillion before
it's over. Climate change is upon us; action is urgent NOW. In fact,
it's probably too late.
RE: LDS Liberal: "Conservative mindset"? "Spend now, worry about
paying for it later"? LOL, I believe you have your labels mixed up.I find it amazing how our society is crumbling apart morally and
financially, where our safety is being threatened from every side, where the
concept of family is passe, and you want to make a big deal out of a small
change in temp that only an egomaniac could think he could change. I'm not
saying we shouldn't be aware of our footprint on the ecosystem--it just
seems Jeff is right to say let's concentrate a little more on areas closer
to home.And, to blame climate change for every hurricane that comes
our way is amazingly myopic.
More 'bait and switch' from Republicans.Concerned about
warming? Worry about the debt.Bush doubled the debt and Obama
hasn't? Worry about terrorism.Osama Bin Laden is dead? what is
Obama doing about global warming...?
Said the Republican dinosaurs of the Late Cretaceous, "Asteroids? You
expect us to pay attention to asteroids? Don't we have more important
things to worry about?"
In a world with global warming there would be no water to grow your crops.Drought.Famine.At what point would you realize,
you cannot eat money?
@peanutegallery thats right peanut its all about overthrowing your
precious way of life.
So...let's figure out our money and whether the wealthy should get a 3
point tax increase before we try to save the human race.I don't
see any fallacy with this logic.
Good letter, Jeff, but global warming isn't ALL about spending more money.
It's also about attacking capitalism, undermining freedom, and gaining more
control over people's lives. Oops, sorry, I guess I'm supposed to
call it "climate change" now.
I do think, actually, that a condition that poses an existential threat to human
life on this planet might become a fairly important issue, worth doing something
I certainly agree that we have many issues to occupy our time and attention.But to suggest that the future of our planet (and we only get one) is
low on the priority list seems short sighted.Do we have "bigger
fish to fry". Perhaps not. Especially if we are the fish to be fried . . .
There's a lot of things we shouldn't be ignoring, and climate change
is among them. It's refreshing to hear the president mention it, but I
wouldn't worry about meaningful change anytime soon.
This is the same conservative mindset that created the huge Federal deficeit in
the 1st place.Spend now, worry about paying for it later....
"Let's tell our elected officials to tackle bigger issues like the
economy, tax relief and curbing spending, and leave global warming for another
day when we have paid off the national debt and thus have some spare money
sitting around."In other words, never.Great. So you're suggesting we merely kick the can down the road and solve
nothing. Great. That's what repubs excel at.When was the last
time we had no debt btw?
Warming is just one of literally hundreds of things our leaders should be
concerned about and working on.Ignoring it would be like vacuuming
the living room carpet while ignoring the grease fire on the kitchen stove.
Jeff, has it occurred to you that warming might cause many other problems that
will be costly?Hurricane Sandy, more powerful tornadoes, worse
winter weather in some areas and more drought in others. Each of these things
is going to be far more costly than prevention. An old adage comes to mind: An
ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.