All these -- Utah's number 1, Utah's a great state -- articles make me
laugh...Words of affirmation are for people who feel insecure.
Many of you who complain that Utah is unfriendly make rather prickly comments
here on a regular basis. We live in a desert. While I respectfully
coexist with the cacti that grow in the mountains here, I do not run up and
embrace them. If you wish to be embraced,"don't
be a cactus"
The overwhelming feeling i get when i visit UT, having lived away for 28
yrs.:I'm in Stepford.
As one who has lived in 12 different states over the last 45 years, I can tell
you that Utah is generally no better than other states. In fact, there is
parochial better than everyone else attitude here theat I din not find in other
states. And I say this as a Utah native raised here. It is nice for the author
to pat the state on the back, but from personal experience, I am not certain
that it is entirely warranted.
"Non-mormons hate it because the LDS church is so strong here, and we have
the audacity to be kind to them and their children."Well
isn't that so neat, the Saints take the time to be kind to us Gentiles.
Ain't that just special. I'm so awfully thankful. I'm just so
extra thankful that they even take the time to notice us. Thank you, thank you,
thank you so much RedShirt, cause I'll tell ya, I was so worried rather or
not you would be kind to me. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your
I'm surprised at the negative comments here. There are benefits to not
being LDS and living in Utah, such as no crowds at the malls on Sunday, lots of
open camping spaces on Sundays. Some people just like to suck lemons, I guess.
And the same people seem always to be accusing conservatives / Republicans / LDS
/ religious people of being haters. Go figure.
to LDS LiberalDo you realize the irony of your initial post?
Here in Az we beat each other silly at car shows. I love how Utah
news seems to post any little matter that the state is ranked highly in but
never talks about the lower rankings like other states. Here in Az if we are
dead last in something you know it's in the news paper. You'd have to
be stuck in the 50's to be like those old folks that never talk about their
familiy's problems. Hush, hush on that but brag about little Jonnie's
largest pumkin of the 3rd grade, in a town of 40.Utah is different.
If it's #1 for most hand knitted sweaters: Well we're just beaming
with HUMILITY based pride...
California is the top producer of agriculture in the U.S. There are several CA
cities ranked high in air pollution because of their proximity to the San
Joaquin Valley--the largest producer of agriculture in the U.S. Dust,
pesticides and fertilizers are big contributors to the air pollution in these
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, UtTo "homebrew" you are right,
Utah is a great place unless you are a democrat or non-mormon. ======= Speaking as a Utah native, Mormon, white, male,
'former'Republican...I still bristle living here, and here's
why:I've lived in many other places - including internationally
- and found my quality of life better elsewhere -- but family obligations force
my return.My gay neighbors treat us better than
"Wardies".I'd rather a friend or neighbor drink a beer
once in awhile, over having 35% of my Priesthood Quorum or Relief Society taking
antidepressants.I'd rather my kids risk seeing occasional
public nudity, than in the closet of the #1 on-line porn capital of the
nation.My born-again Christian friends next door, were better
Christians than anyone I've ever known in Utah. In fact - their example
made me stop, think, and evaluate what being a Christian really is, and
recommitt to being a better one myself. [We chuckle now and partially
agree that Mormons aren't Christians, by adding that it's the
"Utah-Mormons" who aren't Christians...and after visiting here
several times, they now understand the joke.]Not to mention the
No Ivan, it is not a great state.Hence the phrase "Utah, Life
Redshirt, Utahns are humble, too it seems. How gracious of the LDS
population to be kind to the Gentiles and their children, especially when you
have shown you really believe in the "like it or leave it" mentality.
I've lived here a long time and I can tell you that you are flat out wrong
about why you think non-Mormons sometimes bristle at the culture here. In fact,
lumping the entire world into a category called "non-Mormons" is a
pretty good example.But regarding year-round pollution, the state
economy, and many other quality of life aspects, you're right. This is a
good state. Which is why so many people are moving here and why Utah will
continue to get increasingly diverse both politically and religiously.
To "homebrew" you are right, Utah is a great place unless you are a
democrat or non-mormon. If these message boards are any indication of what
democrats and non-mormons think of utah, it is obvious that they hate it. Why
would people who hate Utah ever say that it is a great state.Your
assumption about pollution is wrong. Utah only has short-term pollution
problms, that means that the inversion trapps particles, then is gone. If you
want to talk actually problems with pollution, look at the year round pollution
problems. The American Lung Association's top 25 list does not include
Utah for year round pollution.There is no correlation between
education funding and outcomes. Look at DC.Democrats hate it
because Utah is successful and run by consevatives.Non-mormons hate
it because the LDS church is so strong here, and we have the audacity to be kind
to them and their children.However, lets look at what is said about
Utah:"Forbes Magazine ranks Utah 'the best state for
business'" DN"Utah ranks 4th for child well-being"
DN"Utah ranks number one in well-being index" DN"Utah tops national economic report" DN
Utahns can be very courteous. So can San Franciscans, Bostonians, and people
from Texas. I even found a big conference of New Yorkers I attended to be
handled very courteously. I'm glad there are nice people everywhere.
In other places the pollution is year round?Yeah. In the
1980's.Today is 2013.The EPA and other groups have
named Utah's air the worst in the Nation.Facts only please.Also, FYI? Telling people to 'do us all a favor and move
out'..?You just proved the author...wrong.
So, Homebrew....for what reason are you still in Utah? Sounds like California
would love to have a guy like you.By the way, the pollution is only
here for a short period of time. In Los Angeles, California, and many other
places, it's year round. And, if education is so bad, why are
so many companies coming here for Utah's educated workforce?Do
us all a favor and move out.And, LDS Liberal....driven in California
Ever try being a non-Mormon in Utah?Black? Gay?Not at a gun show?
I don't see a big difference in public courtesy between Utahns and folks in
the other places I've lived, but this isn't the first time I've
heard this complement about our state, so I'm inclined to believe there is
some truth in it.I just wish it applied to how we behave on the
roads. Something flips our aggressive switch around here and we become combative
and petty, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
I don't know how much you get out, but crowds are generally well behaved
and courteous in other states as well.
Ivan, you mentioned the good people at gun shows, and I agree. These people
are an encouraging cross section of what's good about America. People at
gun shows include grandparents, families, young couples with babies, and people
of all ages. They tend to be very upbeat, polite, patriotic, and intelligent.
Too bad they are sometimes unfairly painted in a negative light. Good letter.
Are we talking about the same Utahns who drive on the roads here?
Unless your a democrat or non mormon. Not to mention the state is dead last in
education funding, First is air pollution and not having clean air to breathe.
First at taking other peoples radio active waste. A pretty great state???