I agree with most of Cougarblue's statement. It's interesting that the
base of the problem is never looked at because it isn't sexy enough to get
reaction from the media. I own many guns. I am in favor of background checks and
don't like that you can purchase at gun shows without one. I think most of
us are fearful that if the feds start with magazine sizes, certain types of
guns, and so on that it won't be long before they come after all guns. It
would be interesting to hear Biden and Feinstein put it out there that they
would sign and guarantee that this witch hunt would end if we did more
background checks, limited magazine sizes, and made it harder to buy semi-autos.
If you are truly using them for sport, there should be no problem waiting for a
BC before purchase. However, part of this agreement needs to be that there will
also be legislation for mental health and bullying in schools, to make Hollywood
and the Video game industry equally as accountable as the gun makers in this. My
guess, they wouldn't do it.
I appreciate Joe's efforts to get something - anything, done while
something still can be done.
Limits?* AFT weapons to Mexican cartels* F-16 jets, and tanks
to the Muslim Brotherhood* Legalized abortionsOur leaders are
Mass shooters are cowards at their very core. How many school shootings do you
think would be stopped dead in their tracks if adminstrators and teachers were
required to be concealed weapon carriers? That is the kind of legislation that
makes sense.What if we allowed open carry of guns? You think anyone
would try anything if they knew someone not five feet away was packing?What the legislation Biden has proposed will not stop is the illegal sales of
guns. What's illegal here is still legal everywhere else? Smugglers will
get a booming boost to their businesses. In the meantime, more weapons wind up
in the hands of those who shouldn't have them.
The worst argument I continually hear is that killers are going to find a way to
kill. (i.e. there's nothing we can do). I can't accept
apathy as a solution. Guaranteed our founding fathers wouldn't have done
so. Many murders are acts of opportunity (not calculated). Rage
mixed with means , or depression mixed with means can equal murder when
otherwise that may not have been the case. Some murders are calculated and
would likely be attempted regardless--but imagine if these calculated murderers
had means to more than just an automatic weapon. (Biologic weapons, nuclear
weapons, explosives). It happened in OKC, and we've put in place
regulations to decrease the chances of this occurring again. I don't
believe we'd accept apathy as a solution for these occurrences. Nothing is failsafe! (Arming the good guys, weaponizing teachers, bullet-proof
vests, security checkpoints, metal detectors, scores of policemen).....NOTHING
will prevent all murders, but that is absolutely no excuse for apathy.Knee-jerk opposition to 'gun control' and partisan politics are for
the ignorant. Join the majority of Americans in pushing to improve our gun
control laws! Apathy is not the solution.
EDM,take care of the nut jobs. Is that constructive enough?
Lest we forget.Assault weapons banned from 1994 to 2004.Columbine
happened in 1999. Basically in the middle of the ban period.
The difference between a semi-automatic rifle being referred to as an assault
rifle and a sporting rifle is whether it has a standard wooden stock or a
military style plastic stock.That means that a ban could unintentionally
ban sporting rifles also.After the OK City bombing did we ban the type of
fertilizer that was used? No, we just placed some restrictions on easy access to
it.Instead of making wild s6tatements let's sit down and rationally
determine why these killings are happening and how we can reduce them.Remember we don't hear about the hundreds of individual killings every
month but only about the ones that get emotional responses. We can't let
emotion dictate how we respond to these situations if we want a solution that
will actually work.
Blue, suppose one of your messed up (as you describe them) ex-students wants to
buy a gun - anywhere. What's the problem in using technology we now have to
check out his background to see if he's someone who can be trusted with a
lethal weapon? You object to THAT? Still, I guess it's fun to muddy things
up with cliches on the danger of cars, right?
wow its funny that one person a shotgun is protective another would keep going
to maybe mini gun,maybe rocket launchers are home protection, or a aphache
attack chopper. where to stop maybe all weapons like atomic bombs could protect
you right. the bill of rights was written before the weapons now and they used
single shot black powder we are in the present with a really bad world we need
to rethink not reload.
actually the BIGGEST priority is to stand firm with the NRA against the second
amendment haters include Jolly Joe Biden and Diane Finestein. Make no mistake
this is a fight for our freedom - the freedom to PROTECT ourselves and families
from illegal gun carrying bad guys and crazy people.
Armed people are citizens, unarmed are subjects. I am amazed at the well
educated, intelligent people that want a "feel good" law that bans
bushmaster rifles. Please think about how stupid that is. If there is no Coke
you can always drink Pepsi. If you want to kill you will find a way to kill. We
are in a violent, hate filled society and a sane person will want to protect
himself and his family. GOD in an eternal member of the NRA!
To go along with Feinstein how about banning cars that travel over 25 miles and
hour. We kill far more with our stupid reckless driving than we do with guns.
We could dramatically reduce the number of highway deaths if we did that. LOL.
What every one of you, including our President, Vice President and Feinstein
simply cannot understand, it is not the gun, it is the violence our children are
being raised under. Violent movies, violent games, sarcastic jokes, hurting
jokes, bullying, hate filled comments on blogs. Parents putting down their
children, kids being mean spirited towards others. Acerbic, caustic comments
abound between political parties. Lies abound between political parties.
Half-truths abound between political parties. Letterman, Leno and others get
laughs when they make fun of people. Then we wonder why so much violence. Believe me after 34 years in education and interviewing thousands of
kids, reviewing their discipline files and talking about what they watch, view
and read it leaves no doubt in my mind that we have become a violent society.
Outlawing or restricting guns will not do anything until we address this issue
of violence. Freedom of expression has gone overboard on protecting violent
games, violent movies etc. Bring sanity back to the discussion and
not gut check comments or theories. Feinstein is clueless as ever.
Fienstein, "Sandy Hook is more eloquent testimony than any of us could
possibly give," she said. "If members of this body are so insensitive to
what happened to those small bodies from that Bushmaster when it all becomes
known, America is hopeless" What a fallacious argument and an
insult to sound logic and the truth. The children at the Sandy Hook School
shooting were killed by a person with legitimate mental health issues, a person
without a properly developed conscience (this is reaching plague proportions in
the US including our politicians), a person who has no regard for human life, a
person who values 15 minutes of national fame and the mass notoriety provided to
him and his ilk by an incompetent, greedy agenda driven mainstream media and a
person who refuses to submit to and honor the rule of law. It it
time to put much much much more effort into treating/curing the disease instead
of treating symptoms and ineffective feel good politics and measures to control
law abiding citizens.
1Conservative, Throwing your hands up and saying "there's
nothing we can do" is not an answer to the problem. We are all responsible
to do what we can to prevent these mass murders from happening. Shirking
responsibility is not an answer.Prelax, What are your
How would gun owners and the NRA respond to legislation that locks up any person
who's gun was used in a crime or for an accidental death? If a
"responsible" gun owner knew they would serve considerable prison time
and fines if their gun is used than they may take more care in how secure it is.
It's a fact that a gun is over 20 times more likely to be used on you or
a family member than an intruder. Make the penalty for its accidental use severe
and innocent lives may be saved.
"Biden says he wants a ban on assault weapons, even though he acknowledges
they don't account for a large portion of gun deaths in America".So this will just be to appease the public?Ironic that the
administration that sold assault weapons to the Mexican cartels, now wants to
take them away from Americans.
Liberal progressives work to accomplish their desired agenda in "baby
steps". Usually, (including this time)they tell us we only have to give up
"a little" of our rights in order for someone else to (somehow)be safer
or have a "better life".Tragedies like Columbine and Sandy
Hook are disastrous enough without trying to give false hope to Americans that
(somehow)government can prevent it from happening again by passing "new
laws".There is absolutely NOTHING in gun registration,
confiscation, regulation, etc., that will end stupid acts by evil people. There
is however, many reasons to deny government the permission to remove rights
already guaranteed by the second amendment.Leave the gun rights alone.
There is a REASON they are guaranteed by the second amendment.
I'm a conservative that heavily supports the measures taken by VP Biden and
Senator Feinstein. We have always had gun control/weapon control of some sort.
The question currently is where do we draw the line of what type of weapon we
will allow to be sold and circulated through the general population. I have yet
to meet a person who believes we should sell guns to convicted violent
criminals, small children, the blind, or those with significant mental
illness--all forms of gun control. I also have yet to see a push for
citizens to be able to purchase anti-aircraft missiles, RPGs, or anti-tank
weapons. Again, further forms of gun control.I'd like to believe that
reasonable Americans will give this issue some thought and won't follow
party politics, or respond with knee-jerk reactions to the words "gun
control".I'm hopeful that more conservatives will join me
in pushing for smart gun control.
I'm all for smart gun laws etc., but I'm not for punishing law abiding
citizens. I have every right to defend myself, my family or others with the same
weapons being used against me. It is ridiculous and illogical to create laws
that give advantages to criminals. Go after criminals, not citizens!
A 15 year old child in NM found his parents gun in their closet and killed his
family.Requiring a gun safe for guns might have kept that family
The shooter in Colorado purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition before he
went out to kill Americans.I can buy any gun, zero back ground
checks, if I use cash at a gun show.No one wants to take away your
guns, but requiring background checks could save lives.
Biden's comments make sense.But making sense is not something
advocated by the NRA and its followers.