AjaxMapleton, UTWhile the ratio of those recognized as
extremists and moderates among Democrats has remained relatively stable over the
last twenty years, the rise of extremism in the Republican party has recently
skyrocketed============= Agreed.Not as many
of us Liberals have been chaining themselves to trees, boycotting
non-dolphin-safe tuna, holding a sit-in rally, or burning bras like we used to
back in the day, But the number of Congressmen yelling at the
President in the State of the Union, Town-hall Shout-downs meetings, Gun
touting rallies, and signing letters to Secede from the Union, etc, etc.,
etc...has been on the rise.
HaHaHaHa,Considering the only thing you were capable of doing in
your comment is personally attacking the author and whatever your interesting
concept of a liberal is, I'd say his letter IS brilliant. Do you have any
intelligent rebuttal to his points, or are you just interested in clubbing the
messenger like a caveman?
I often hear when Republicans are singled out for extremist behavior, "Well,
both Republicans and Democrats are equally guilty." And certainly there
are extremist elements on both sides, the ultra right and the ultra left.
However, there are undeniable differences between the parties in the proportion
of those identified as moderates and extremists. While the ratio of those
recognized as extremists and moderates among Democrats has remained relatively
stable over the last twenty years, the rise of extremism in the Republican party
has recently skyrocketed to the point that the ultra right has become
inordinately influential in party politics.Now what is important to
recognize is that extremism on either side has never sat well with the American
public, which has, in aggregate, always favored more balanced, mature and
responsible leadership. Consider, for example, the political fortunes of Barry
Goldwater on the right and George McGovern on the left. And then there is the
recent example of Mitt Romney who consistently pandered to Tea Party
extremism.What is evident is that if Republicanism is now able to
achieve any relevancy, they will need to forsake their extremist inclinations
for a more reasonable and fairer-for-all position nearer the center.
"That...and also having air quaility worse than 3rd world China.Also something Republicans choose to either ignore or make worse."Definitely all the hot air...from both sides. Though, I can see your
point. Due to the overly proportionate number of Republicans in the state, it is
obviously a Republican caused issue.
homebrewSouth Jordan, UTUtah is a laughingstock, in other
parts of the country. From mormonism to republicanism, the laughs just keep
comming!============ Agreed.You'd think
that being voted "Best place to have a Business" year after year, that
Utah would be the Chicago of Corporations and Businesses West of the
Mississippi.But everything you just said tells us WHY businesses
FLEE here, rather than FLOCK here.That...and also having air
quaility worse than 3rd world China.Also something Republicans choose to
either ignore or make worse.
In all fairness, and in review of the continued one sided attitudes and comments
that prevail on this and other boards, the following line helps understand why
some thought this letter was great, and some didn't: "...especially
apropos as we try to discern the reason for all the vitriol against the
president and virtually every idea he has or he has put forward". If we were all honest with ourselves, this statement should have read:
"especially apropos as we try to discern the reason for all the vitriol
against either side of any argument and virtually every idea either has or
either has put forward."No one out there can honestly claim the
vitriol is dished out by only one side.
The republicans spent 8 years to vilify President Clinton every step of the way.
RESULT? Balanced budget, afte 12 years of Reagan/ Bush out of control spending.
With Obama it is the same thing. Somehow the GOP thinks that the whitehouse is
theirs, and a black man has no business in there, unless he's mopping the
floor! The National republican party is a joke! just look at the utah version !
Lee, Chaffetz, Hatch, Bishop. Let alone the local bunch on capital hill, with
their new drink regulations and goofy bills they come up with year after year.
Utah is a laughingstock, in other parts of the country. From mormonism to
republicanism, the laughs just keep comming!
@grumbleThank you, for taking the time to comment.The DN
offered two articles, one Wednesday and one today, suggesting that the gop/cons
might explore the possibility of some changes...However...maybe not.
Grundle,You just displayed the "pseudo-intellectualism" of which
you criticize the author.The author did not say that all who
disagree with the President are exhibiting "visceral hatred", he said
SOME. Important distinction. If you are not exhibiting "visceral
hatred", he wasn't writing about you."So anyone that
believes that the intent of the rights granted to us was to prevent tyranny is
paranoid and believes the government is full of closet traitors plotting to
subvert the constitution." Nope, he didn't write that
either. He was stating that if you think "the government is full of closet
traitors plotting to subvert the constitution" then you are being paranoid.
He did NOT write that anyone who supports 2nd Amendment rights is
"paranoid". Another important distinction.This writer is
criticizing those particular conservatives who are using extreme rhetoric. He is
not saying that all conservatives use extreme rhetoric. This letter apparently
doesn't apply to you. But there are people to whom it does apply.
Thank you Curmudgeon. The feelings on family ties are mutual.
An EXCELLENT letter.Unfortunately, it is a very accurate description
of many of our neighbors.I pity those who live in a dark, fearful,
paranoid world. It must be awful.Yet that seems to be what most
"conservatives" prefer.For me and my family, I'll take
the happiness and optimism that come with more progressive thinking.
Ah...pseudo-intellectualism at it's best!"...I am unable to
see how the recent executive orders and suggestions of President Obama on gun
control might infringe upon our constitutional rights or weaken our ability to
defend ourselves." Had this been the content and purpose of
this letter, I might have agreed(somewhat)But then..."...visceral hatred...", "...rather capable and principled."
In other words, those who disagree with the writer's opinion
that the President is "capable and principled" are exhibiting
"visceral hatred" Not just disagreement, but hatred felt down to the
soul!"...paranoia..." "nefarious" "closet
traitors", "secret agenda" "subvert..." "...rob us of
our freedoms"So anyone that believes that the intent of the
rights granted to us was to prevent tyranny is paranoid and believes the
government is full of closet traitors plotting to subvert the constitution.
That is quite the leap!"...simplistic political jingoism..."
"...contribution...is confusion", "virtue and meaningful
insight" "...slippery slope."Name calling to diminish
someone's opinion.I am glad so many of you feel this letter
represents your view. If I could have predicted who would agree with the
letter, I would have come up with this list of posters.
Preying on people's fear is a huge money maker
Great letter!All I can do is add my Amen, and Amen!
Terrific letter. I don't get it either.
There's so much angry noise out there it's hard to get things done.
Kudos to the president and administration for moving ahead with things instead
of languishing in the mess.
One of the best letters in recent memory. I'm proud to be related to you,
Don't be confused. A lot of people have gotten quite wealthy by promoting
memes like Obama's coming to your house to get your gun. He's going to
turn the U.S. government over to the U.N. He's going to ban the bible.
He's going to declare himself dictator for life.All of these
items are preposterous, of course, but there are a lot of "low information
voters" out there who can be made to believe this nonsense and donate money
to people who claim to fight it.
A good letter. The hatred you see is a combination of racism,
desperation, and the rejection of science. The most ill informed and poorly
educated speak the loudest. Just tune into foxnews or am radio to witness this
Excellent letter Andrew. And your inclusion of the word "paranoid" is
especially apropos as we try to discern the reason for all the vitriol against
the president and virtually every idea he has or he has put forward. Until we,
as a nation - and I'm speaking directly to caucasian American citizens -
come to terms with the fact that we are a diverse society and the demographics
of this nation are changing, we will continue to be stuck in this devastating
pattern of stagnation. There is nothing to fear and those who fail
to realize that in just a few years there will be no majority race in this
nation will be forever losing ground. People of all races and colors want
essentially the same thing we all want - a safe place to raise our children and
opportunities to do so. A rising tide lifts all boats, as the saying goes, and
so allowing and promoting the the improvement of all our citizens will only help
us all. Mohandis K. Ghandi, the great Mahatma, once said, "The
world has resources enough for man's needs but not for man's
greeds." Something to consider as we make our way.
A masterful letter, but don't expect a direct response to your inquiries.
Vilifying Obama the way conservatives have requires a suspension of logic and
perspective. You can expect exaggeration, hyperbole, deflection, and
distraction. There will be hollering about a slide into communism that is not
occurring, accusations about hatred of success, plenty of assumptions about
liberals' unsavory motivations, useless rambling about the one true way to
interpret the Constitution, and the stubborn insistence that we live in a black
and white world.