It seems strange that everyone who is pro abortion has already been born.
Scientist-Your assertion that fetuses are brain dead and vegetative
are incorrect. Fetuses respond to stimuli, unlike brain dead and vegetative
people.Nice try at rationalizing a heinous act, but it doesn't
fly in the light of science.
Between a third and a half of all fertilized eggs do not implant in the uterus
and, therefore, do not establish a pregnancy . Those fertilied eggs are washed
away during the woman's next period without gestation ever occurring and
without the woman who produced the egg even knowing tht fertilization had
occurred (the same thing that emergency conraception promotes). Of the
pregnancies that are established, between a quarter and a third self-terminate
in the first trimester, and many more self-terminate in the second and third
trimester. Nature is in no way protective of, or concerned about,
the products of conception. To the people who are SOOOO concerned about
fertilized eggs that don't go on to establish a pregnancy -- do you also
condemn "Mother Nature" for "her" actions in preventing the
pregancy from starting, or terminating it before the pregnancy concludes ith a
birth? It seems to me that the concern should be for the actual,
living, breathing life-in-being -- the woman -- rather than something which may
become a human being if the pregnancy runs to conclusion without "Mother
Mountanman Hayden, ID, God through Jesus Christ gave us the right to choice
what ever we wanted to do on this earth during our life time no matter what it
was. Making abortion against the law you are preventing people from the agency
God has given us, if God didn't want us to have a choice to have abortions
he would have let Satan be the leader and force us to do right.
I believe the decision to have an abortion (certainly an early term one) should
be between the mother and her doctor.That said, Roe v Wade strikes
me as one of the most egregious acts of judicial activism (Dred Scott comes to
mind as well) as we have ever seen. SC Judges should not be judged
based on preferred outcomes but rather on how they interpret the Constitution
and their level of judicial restraint (i.e., deference to the legislative
process). Otherwise, we do not live in a democracy but in a dictatorship of the
patriotCedar Hills, UTWe loath the Nazi's for their
disrespect for human life...========= Yes, The Nazi
gassed millions;Liberals, Immigrants, Communists, Homosexuals,
Non-Christians, Poor & Homeless, Terminally Sick & Elderly.BTW - The Nazis also banned abortions. "Thou shalt
not kill and he who killeth shall be in danger of hell fire". Ironic,
coming from the pro-Death Penalty, Pro-war, Pro-gun advocates.
Guess it's not a person when it's up against your bottom line?A Catholic hospital in Colorado has argued in court documents that it is
not liable for the deaths of two 7-month-old fetuses because those fetuses are
not people. (USA Today)
In the early 2000s, the National Center for Health Statistics found that while
contraception use in American women had been climbing for decades, it stalled in
the 1990s. Loss of access for poorer women seemed to be the sole reason for this
troubling trend, which led to an explosion in unplanned pregnancy, and therefore
abortion. While poor women have seen a spike, women in the middle class
continued to see unplanned pregnancies decline.The most recent data
suggests that the disparity has only gotten larger. Today, a full 42 percent of
women having abortions live under the poverty line, and another 27 percent have
incomes within 200 percent of the poverty line. Taken together, 69 percent of
women who have abortions are economically disadvantaged
how many dead children over that 40 years? how many lives - that could have been
- but never were? What a sick and selfish society we live in. We loath the
Nazi's for their disrespect for human life and yet we champion the death of
millions of children? Again - what a sick society. A womans's right to
choose or a womans's right to kill - which is it? And by the way, who gave
that woman the right to kill her child? Certainly not the creator. One thing is
an absolute truth here - those involved in abortion in any way - mother, father,
doctor, politician all have blood on their hands and will be judged by a higher
court - beyond the veil - where there are no special interest groups or corrupt
judges or politicians. "Thou shalt not kill and he who killeth shall be in
danger of hell fire". One other thing is certain too - death. We all face it
and we have NO choice as to what happens next.
To my thinking, parental rights are a sacred issue.Parents must have
the right to make important decisions about their children, including whether
and when to have them. No government agency or Church should dare trample
parental rights with reckless abandon.It seems to me right and
reasonable that a parent, exercising her parental rights, can make life or death
medical decisions about her child. For instance, the law empowers a parent to
decide to withhold life-sustaining medical technology from a child that is
brain-dead and in a vegetative state. The law empowers a parent to decide to
subject a child to life-threatening surgeries.In this same spirit,
the decision in Roe vs Wade set a standard that empowers a woman to make the
important decision to terminate the "life support" her body is providing
to a fetus when the fetus is "brain dead" and in a vegetative state.I see no problem with that.
higvDietrich, IDFetuses didn't choose to be
impregnated.=======And neither did the victims of Rape
or Incest.but I agree with some of what you said - Sometimes
abortion is necessary, because good people wish those things didn't need to
Larry no one wante offensive wars, Are we to lay prostrate on the ground
though? Death penalty says you value life of victim. And that murderer chose
to take life. Fetuses didn't choose to be impregnated. Sometimes war is
necessary as is capital punishment though good people wish either of those
things didn't need to take place.
bebyebe do you beleive in the Bill of rights? I think the 1st amendment applies
to all not those that just happen to agree with you. Declaration of
Independence mentions rights. Constitution prohibits taking life without due
process. Seven justices gave someone the right to take away there unborn
child. Two dissented. Dred Scott was supreme court right there? Right to take
life of unborn no were in constitution.
@ Mountanman 9:46 a.m. Jan. 23, 2013Wow! You need some work on
context & syntax. George (at 9:04a) meant that Higv was correct. Hannity
& Beck have taught you well.
Red stateRights are not a states issue or open to popular vote.
Illegal? Not constitutionally protected? Do you honk we are in Ireland.
According to the law and the subprime court abortion is both legal and
It seems most of the commentary regarded whether abortion is right or wrong. I
think the focus of the editorial tended to be more on the negative societal
effects of the decision in Roe V Wade. Correlation may not indicate causation
but I really cannot see any positive benefits to the devaluation of human life
esp now that we have ultrasound. Another point is that Roe V Wade was wrongly
decided and the Supreme Court stepped in and made a decision that should have
been left up to States ( many if not most liberals would tend to agree with
that). I believe that abortion and gay marriage are issues that individual
States should be allowed to address- they should not have either forced upon
them by a central government.
When you can get pregnant you are entitled to an opinion on abortion.
Were in the consitution is there a right to an abortion? Illegal abortions will
occur just as illegal theft occurs. However with punishment there will be less
of it. Besides abortion is unconstitional roe vs wade as didn't the 9th
and 10th amendment prohibit the supreme court in meddling in that issue.
The best course is for pro-lifers to continue to persuade people on making the
right choice once they get pregnant. But, for them to control the only choice
goes against free will, the rights of a woman, and what America stands for. If
they believe that is murder, that is their right but it is not shared by the
fetus's mother or the law of the land. In addition to trying to
persuade pregnant women on carrying the baby to full term, they should support
the use of contraceptives to avoid unwanted pregnancy. But, it seems that a lot
of pro-lifers are the same people who disagree with birth control, planned
parenthood or insurance mandates supporting prevention.
The abortion rate has dropped nearly in half in the last 20 years. Why?
Couldn't it be at least in part the result of better sex ed? Shouldn't
we be investing more in that? We also ought to educate kids in marriage and
Once again we witness the All-or-Nothingisms with total lack of compromise of
some extremists [and it seems to emit mostly from the uber-far-right]:Federal Budget = all or nothing.Elections = all or nothing.Guns =
all or nothing.Gay rights = all or nothing.abortion = all or
nothing.Only a Sith deals in absolutes ~ Obi Wan Kanobi
D&C (dilation and curettage) is a medical procedure commonly used for
miscarriages.Roe v. Wade Constitutionally affirms and protects that
a woman and her Doctor can't go to jail for performing one.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahSince 1976, the Deseret News reported
that there has been 55,000,000 abortions in America. Let's do the
math....Ok, thanks for using math to prove that at least 27,500,000
of them were by Republicans.
I am no more "alive" at one cell, Than I am finally "dead"
at one cell.The LDS Church's official policy regarding when and
under what circumstances aborations may take place is still allowed under the
Roe v. Wade ruling.Rape, Incest, Life and Health of the Woman, and
viability of the fetus are still Constitutional and NOT a sin - evern to Momrons
- no matter what false doctrine Mike Richards continues to preach.When the Prophet tells us to name and seal the "unborn" - including
miscarriages - and disallows for ALL abortions for any reason whatsoever, per
the offical GOP platform -- then I will flip over to the darkside.
George, George, George: Its not me interfering with the right of an person to be
born! Its you who are doing that! I want every person conceived to have a
birthday! And you have no right to deny them that right! And once again, you do
NOT get to decide when conception occurs, that's way, way above your pay
grade and for you to do so is evil and wickedness!
Mountanman:[Abortion as a form of birth control is the ultimate act of
selfishness and interferance!]I support a woman's right to make
decisions regarding her individual body, health, and use there of. A
person's body does not exist for the forcible use of any other person. It
does not exist for another to use forcibly for sex (rape), forcibly for manual
labor (slavery), or forcibly for birth.I would feel far more
disgusted with myself to force a person to use their body against their will. If
a person doesn't have a right to self, than they don't have any
rights.A woman is not just a test-tube, she is sentient and her body
is her own. She is not "borrowing" her body from the fetus, the fetus is
"borrowing" her's, and she can reject that arraignment. She has the
right to say no to sex, manual labor, and birth. Why do you care more about a
person who doesn't exist then one who does? One that already has thoughts,
feelings, and dreams.I don't care what her reason is, she
shouldn't even need to give one.
All this talk of innocent children.20 children were gunned down in
an elementary school just last month and people do nothing.
@mountainmanYou also seem to be willfully ignoring that I do not
accept you subjective premise that it iis an "unborn child. "
@mountain manDid it ever occur to you that you maybe wrong and that
your desire to limit others free agency may have consequences as well? Under
what authority do you claim to limit the free agency of others? I do not tell
others to have an abortion, I do not claim the right to make that those types of
decisions for others and you do.
@ George and Mukkake. You are betting the life and agency of an unborn child
that life did not begin at conception? Who or what gives you that right to make
the choice for other people? If you are wrong, what are the consequences of your
actions? How will you answer to God for your actions in taking the life of
another human being unborn or not? Abortion as a form of birth control is the
ultimate act of selfishness and interferance! Like it or not, whether you
believe it or not, we are all going to be accountable to God for our actions.
Unfathomable risk you are taking with unborn people's lives! It is ironic
to me that the only people who favor abortion as a form of birth control have
already been born. Who speaks for the unborn other than God?
Since 1976, the Deseret News reported that there has been 55,000,000 abortions
in America. Let's do the math. 2012 - 1976 = 36 years. 55,000,000 / 36 =
1,528,000 abortions per year. 1,528,000 / 365 = 4,186 abortions per day. 4,186
/ 30 = 139 kindergarten classrooms that will never be filled.Look at
the public outcry when many of the children in ONE classroom were senselessly
killed! Look how the President is flying around the country demanding that we do
something about that! Look how the Vice-President is stomping his feet and
shouting that now is the time to stop these senseless killings.Since
December 14, 2012, there have been 8,372 "Sandy Hooks" in America.
Where is the outrage for those 167,440 unborn children who were torn out of
their mothers' womb?It is incredible that the same people who
demand the right to destroy the unborn with a vacuum or knife or drugs are the
same people demanding that 330,000,000 Americans must give up their guaranteed
right to keep and bear arms.By midnight today, another 122
"Sandy Hooks" classrooms will be empty. Tomorrow, another 209 will be
Mountanman:[How can you defend killing an unborn child and calling it a
"right"?]Is "unborn" the opposite of
"undead"? Like reverse-zombies?[The blood of the unborn
cries to God for justice!]Blood isn't capable of speech.Women aren't just baby factories/farms. Their bodies aren't
sacrifices to god(s). If they don't want to be pregnant, they
shouldn't have to be. Some women can't afford, don't want to
afford, the health costs of a pregnancy.
@moutainmanBecause do not start with the very subjective assumption that
it is an "unborn child,." And no from past experience there is no reason
to waist post trying to change your mind or mine on when life begins.
@ George. How can you defend killing an unborn child and calling it a
"right"? The blood of the unborn cries to God for justice!
HigvYour right we can but abortion is not a crime and is protected under
the consitution just like your precious guns. When you are willing to place the
same type of rrestrictions on guns as already exist on abortion let me know we
can talk, until then you do not hold any credability.
We Can't stop all crimes but can make laws against them.
The anniversary of abortion? There are historical references of abortion in
Egypt. Women have been having abortions in India since anyone there can remember
with natural concoctions. Not to mention their outright infanticide issues.Nobody likes abortion. But it's simply not an issue the government
is prepared to ban because just like a "ban on guns" which wouldn't
work, neither would a ban on abortion.Can you really investigate
every miscarriage as an illegal abortion when something as simple as a fall or
herbal concoction can cause a miscarriage? Leave it up to women.