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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 23 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Danny Chipman
Lehi, UT

Amen.

one old man
Ogden, UT

And we cannot do anything about untying the Gordian Knot until we do something about the increasing gap between those who use their wealth to purchase political power that enables them to suck up wealth from those who do the actual work.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

I will add my amen to Richard and Sharell.

Parenting by parents is superior to parenting by the government.

Utah Dem
Ogden, UT

So just another letter complaining about something without any suggestion to remedy or fix the situation. If you are going to whine then come up with some idea(s) to resolve the problem otherwise why complain.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

As someone who went to school in Canada I still find it amazing that schools here are in the business of feeding the students. We, or our parents, were solely responsible to feed ourselves. Really, that's how it should be.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Seems like there is no pleasing conservatives. A main plank in their platform is the quote “A person who would trade freedom for security, deserves neither”. This letter seems to say “a person should not trade security for freedom”.

When the government, or someone else, does a task for you, they are giving you freedom. Doing things for us is one of the main jobs we ask government to do.

Freedom is having the time, ability and the permission to do what you want to do.

Perhaps the saddest and untold part of this story is that behind the school breakfast is a private enterprise making a profit from the tax money for education. So in effect the mother has traded some funds for education for a few moments of freedom.

Then again, food is good, it might make the school experience more enjoyable to the student and enhance the possibility for education.

I think people should know and understand the give and take of civilization before they complain about a small part of it.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

You're honestly opposed to poor kids getting breakfast? Seriously?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Repubs make for the most entitled and (worst) parents out there. They'd rather focus on Mammon and trying to live like Mitt Romney rather than focus on the children who they created but refuse to raise.

Maudine
SLC, UT

As these parents are stretching their time and paychecks for breakfast and lunch for their children, what areas should they make decreases in?

Should they cut their power bill? Or maybe they should move to a crappier apartment in a less safe neighborhood?

I know, I know - it's not really your problem or concern, it is their responsibility to raise their children - as long as heir birth control is not being paid for by their employer or taxpayers and they are not getting abortions, what so we care?

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

"When the government, or someone else, does a task for you, they are giving you freedom"

"Repubs make for the most entitled and (worst) parents out there....children who they created but refuse to raise."

"Doing things for us is one of the main jobs we ask government to do. "

" honestly opposed to poor kids getting breakfast? Seriously?"

"We, or our parents, were solely responsible to feed ourselves. Really, that's how it should be."

Some real thoughtful nuggets here.

Straw men, non sequiturs, bizarre statements, and complete agenda driven misdirection.

The opinion expressed was:

"But we are sickened that headlines and school guidelines say to parents, If you are too busy or if you find it difficult to stretch your pay check, you needn't feed your children breakfast. We'll do it for you.

We cannot begin to untie the Gordian Knot that binds our nation's economy by increasing the number of families dependent upon the government."

From the comments I am to believe that less parental involvement and more reliance upon government is good?

Strange world we live in.

I add my Amen to the opinion expressed.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I'd rather pay taxes to feed school children breakfast here,
Than pay taxes to feed troops breakfast, lunch, dinner THERE.

Besides--
Kids get out of school after only 12 years,
our troops can't get out of the Middle East after 13...

JMHO
Southern, UT

I think a great idea would be to just sign over your kids to the schools at age 5. The schools could feed, clothe, house, and teach them. Then at 18 they would be let go. Of course, parents (or those who gave birth since parents is such a loose term) would have visitation rights. That would solve all of our problems, not one homeless child in America.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

JMHO
Southern, UT
I think a great idea would be to just sign over your kids to the schools at age 5. The schools could feed, clothe, house, and teach them. Then at 18 they would be let go. Of course, parents (or those who gave birth since parents is such a loose term) would have visitation rights. That would solve all of our problems, not one homeless child in America.

12:44 p.m. Jan. 23, 2013

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Great idea!

Isn't that what the priveldged rich parents do with their kids sending them off to private schools and institutions?

Harry Potter and Mitt Romney turned out all right.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Ultra Bob" you are wrong. When you trade more time at home for a free/discounted breakfast for your kids you are giving up freedom. Look at it this way, when you go to work, the first 2 hours of every day you are working to pay for government (on average). Are you more or less free if you now have to work 2 hours 15 minutes for the government, and only benefit from 5 hours 45 minutes of work. So, to maintain the same income level you now have to work 15 minutes more each day.

Are you more or less free now that you have to work more to maintain and support the government?

To "Open Minded Mormon" so what you are saying is that you don't want to have to actually touch, look at, or personally care for the poor. You would rather write a check and let an uncaring bureaucrat care for the poor so that you don't have to. Meanwhile, you would rather that the poor and oppressed in foreign nations remain so by removing the US military from helping liberate them.

The Taxman
Los Angeles, CA

@Redshirt
"Look at it this way, when you go to work, the first 2 hours of every day you are working to pay for government (on average). Are you more or less free if you now have to work 2 hours 15 minutes for the government, and only benefit from 5 hours 45 minutes of work. ...so what you are saying is that you don't want to have to actually touch, look at, or personally care for the poor."

Newsflash to Redshirt: For the last couple hundred years, we've had this thing called "Specialization". A guy named Adam Smith was very excited about it becuase it allows workers to develop more skill in their specific areas, increases output and increases innovation.
We decided a long time ago that it's way more efficient for us to do what we're best at all day, but give some of that money (from a few hours of it anyway) to build roads, feed the poor, etc. rather than go out and work on the roads, travel to inner citties to help the poor, etc. ourselves. So we voted to hire the government to do all that stuff for us and it's worked fabulously.

JMHO
Southern, UT

Open Minded: I personally don't care what other people do with their money. The fact that you call anyone "priveldged rich parents" shows you have some contempt for other people's money. I find it interesting how easily people beg for a king when they are free and then will have to fight to be free when they have a king.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "The Taxman" wow, what a non-answer.

Since you cannot actually say anything coherent about what I said, I assume that you either agree with me or begrudgingly accept the fact that by allowing the government to do for you what you can do for yourself you are in fact giving up freedom.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Freedom is having the time, ability and the permission to do the things you want to do.

So, when someone does something for you that frees up some of your time, they are giving you one of the most important ingredients of freedom. You may use that time to do something you want to do. Maybe call your mother.

Having the ability is not too hard to understand, it is simple the limitation put upon us by the natural world.

Permission is mostly what other people give us in return for our lost freedom to do harm to them. It usually comes from government, church, parents and other people.

Our allotment of time is given us sometime around the time we were born in an indefinite amount and is actually the only thing we have to trade for the other things we want. Because we have no control over it, it is like having a loan that is being paid back by automatic withdrawal from our account.

It is for each of us, when we can, to decide what we get in return for the time paid out.

The Taxman
Los Angeles, CA

@Redshirt

I think, for those intelligent enough to see, by pointing out that you are living under a 200 year-old (for all but the Amish) paradigm, I adequately answered your ridiculous question.

But to be more elementary, yes I feel very free because I have had the opportunity to vote for a representative government that has followed my wishes and provided the services I want to make me more effective in doing what I do best. There, can you understand that? What part of being able to vote for a representative government who carries out our wishes do you find oppressive?

By the way, I don't know how to build a good road (nor do I want to learn), so I am not allowing the government to do for me what I can do for myself.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I agree with most conservatives here... Kids who can't afford breakfast should be banned from school. Education should only be provided for the well off. Poor people? Nah you don't need education.

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