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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 23 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

The ocean absorbs a lot of Co2.

Sure, you can change the atmosphere and nothing will happen. Keep believing.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

If the climate isn't warming, why are glaciers and ice sheets melting at record rates?

higv
Dietrich, ID

Larry how do you explain this major cold front we are having. I would much rather have milder winters myself.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

liberal larry: I hope you didn't strain a hamstring making that logical leap. You sound like one of the many armchair scientists who read editorial commentary rather than scientific studies and then regurgitate it as scientific truth.

The author of the letter is correct (to the best of my knowledge). There has been no credible scientific study closing all the links for global warming scare-mongers.

I'm just glad I'm not on trial for my life to be judged by a group of peers comprised of those who develop iron-clad and unchangeable decisions based on nothing more than hearsay and conjecture.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

When you look at the 100 year charts for global temperatures there is no doubt of warming. When you look at just the last 15 years there appears to be a level period. But there are other level periods in the steep increase of over a longer period, there are even decreases for several years.

Cherry picking doesn't make science. They can't say there is no warming over 20 years or 60 years or 100 years. There is substantial increases for those time frames. It's just pathetic really to even contemplate when you look at all the numbers together.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

How well I recall the claims made over and over again that, despite much higher incidence of cancer among smokers, that there was no direct or causal link.

Yeah, right.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yeah, right. Come back and tell us this again fifty years from now.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Living humans and all other living animals produce and exhale CO2. How do you propose to stop that? Legislation? No one is allowed to work or exercise? Reduce the population by killing? Obviously can't be done.

Flaws to global warming alarmists theories:

#1 Global warming is questionable, scientists do NOT concur.

#2 IF warming WERE occurring, there is no verifiable link between man's chosen activities and global warming. There is all evidence to show the earth warms and cools naturally, in cycles.

Paranoid alarmist chicken littles are wasting our time and resources with this notion of global warming.

These are the same folks who sign online petitions to outlaw dihydrogen monoxide.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Put your head in the sand repubs!

The earth is flat.

And the sun revolves around the earth.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY
How well I recall the claims made over and over again that, despite much higher incidence of cancer among smokers, that there was no direct or causal link.

Yeah, right.

7:45 a.m. Jan. 23, 2013

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Funny and sadly ironic you should mention that...

Becasue their Conservative HERO and GOP figurehead -- Rush Limbaugh -- still, to this very day, tells them tobacoo does not cause cancer, and that smoking is actually GOOD for you.

[Because - ALL science is wrong, and only he, the Hajha-Rushdie, the college drop out - is right.]

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

Yeah...I have heard all kinds of statements attributed to Rush Limbaugh and then broad-brushed to any Republican or conservative. It was a successful campaign tactic when one idiot GOP candidate, Todd Akin, talked about legitimate rape.

I guess if that is a fair tactic then all Liberals and Democrats believe that islands will tip over if there are too many people on one side.

Why don't we raise the level of dialog here?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@higv
"Larry how do you explain this major cold front we are having."

Cold front? We're sitting in a ridge of high pressure. When the snow comes tomorrow we'll be warmer than today. I'm going to just change your question to "explain this 12F below average cold we are having this month".

Cold days still happen with global warming. As cold as it's been we haven't even been within 5 degrees of a record low any of the days this month. We set/tied 14 record highs last year. Think of it this way. The Earth has warmed roughly 2F in the mid-latitudes the past 100 years. 100 years ago we'd have heat waves and cold... whatever extended cold is called. We still have those ups and downs, it's just that you can think of all those days as being 2F warmer than they'd be without global warming. So that 14 degree below average day in 1900 would be a 12 degree below average day now (or 14 below a 2F higher average).

@Christian 24-7
"#1 Global warming is questionable, scientists do NOT concur. "

Anthropogenic global warming skeptics don't even argue that global warming isn't occurring.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Global warming doesn't necessarily mean it will be warmer in the winter. It does mean that seasons will be more severe. Look at our last summer! Hot hot hot! Look at our winter. Cold cold cold.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Open Minded Mormon,

That would be because of the lack of scientific consensus on smoking . . .

I think the issue here is that we sometimes want to wish away that which does not fit our model of the world. We fear control if the answer is something we don’t want so we avoid even considering that which could be negative to our currently held views.

It is not that govt. control and the proper response mechanisms to climate change are not real questions (and questions worth debating) but we never get to that debate because we are too busy burrowing deeper and deeper into denial so that we never have to deal with such questions directly.

Avoidance by evasion.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Kerry,

No evidence connecting human CO2 emissions and climate change?

Then you're not bothering to look.

Google "human co2 related to climate" and watch what happens.

Simple ignorance is not a sin, but willful, beligerant ignorance is.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Ease up on climate change?

I can't see the mountains in the SLC valley...

when I am INSIDE the SLC valley.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Our air pollution is worse for EVERYONE than smoking is for the few who choose it.

You have no Free Agency, and no right to clean air.

You'd think the Word of Wisdom and Free Agency would have most Mormons supporting cleaner air?

But sadly too many value Party Politics and their AM radio shows over all Common sense, reasoning, and even Spiritual advise on the matter.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "liberal larry" maybe you need to go and get your eyes checked. The article said that the climate is changing, which is true. The article also said that so far there is no scientifically proven link between CO2 and climate change. This is also true.

To "Open Minded Mormon" was the link between smoking and lung cancer made by consensus or scientific proof?

If we followed your flat earth policy and resolved scientific debate with a vote, then the earth is still flat, the universe revolves around the earth, and there are only 4 elements.

To "Blue" it is true, none of the studies out there trying to link CO2 to climate change do so withing the 95% confidence interval which is used to establish scientific connections.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

It's good to see the climate scientists writing letters and responding to them.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

If we followed your flat earth policy and resolved scientific debate with a vote, then the earth is still flat, the universe revolves around the earth, and there are only 4 elements.

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Flat Earthers, Earth is at the Center, 4 element, God made it so, never question the Church -- close minded, prserve the status quo, change-nothing, question nothing, do nothings = are Conservatives. close minded
That's WHAT Conservative means.

Columbus was an Open minded, enlightened, Question everything [including Religous Dogma], PROGRESSIVE.

Liberal.

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