To "Baccus0902" that was tried back in teh 1980's, and it failed.
The illegals did not work with the system to become legal, some did, but more
just came across the border.
@ RedshirtImmigration Reform including amnesty and a pass to
permanent legal residency.
To "Baccus0902" you have explained yourself just fine.What
you have not considered is that by allowing illegal immigrants to remain and not
pushing them to come here legally, they will remain in poverty. You want people
to be able to progress, but how can a person progress if they can only get jobs
where the owners are breaking the law? There are many cases where businessmen
didn't pay the illegal immigrants what they had promised. The illegal
immigrants have no legal recourses to use against the businessman. Had they
come here legally, they would have all sorts of legal means to ensure they are
protected.So again, as a legal immigrant, would you want to keep a
group of people working essentially as slaves, or do you want them to come here
legally and have the abilty to improve their lives as you have done
@ RedshirtI'm sorry it seems, I didn't explain myself
well.I'm from Chile and came to this country originally with a
student visa. My first visit to the consulate I was rejected because I
didn't bring any papers proving monetary solvency.Do you think
this field workers will obtain a visa if they go to the American consulate in
their places of origin? I doubt it. I have met many illegal aliens who have
crossed the borders because of their inability to obtain legal papers.I have also met many illegal aliens who come with tourist visa and let it
expire. However, they are able to fix their paper because of their connections,
education and other resources that are not so apparent.I have
nothing against poor people. I have plenty against poverty. I reject any attempt
to curtail the progress of other human beings. From my point of view, you and
those who oppose immigration reform are the ones trying to prevent the progress
and the option of a better life for a large segment of our population.
Someone once posted this:A person makes a living by going to college
and getting a masters degree. Another person drops out of school, and claims
it's unfair the other is rich.Illegals are here because they
put in corrupt leaders in their home country. Perhaps they can fix their own
problems, while we need to fix ours.
Baccus0902,Let's see how compassionate you are when someone
moves in your house, and eats your food.
To "Baccus0902" actually it isn't more complex than that. By
allowing the illegals to stay, we essentially have created a working slave class
with no rights and no possibility of advancement.Why do you hate the
poor and not want them to come here legally so that they can really improve
their lives? Do you like the benefits of cheap labor more than you want to have
the compassion to help them come here the right way so that they can advance and
do more than just manual labor?
Polls are easy to skew for desired results.Moreover, any political
shift that MAY have occurred, largely is the result of a major-scale FALSE
propaganda campaign. No doubt some now favor legalization because they have
been DECEIVED into thinking that there is no other way. The
propaganda includes the following lies: - Illegal aliens would never
voluntarily return to their home countries under ANY circumstances.-
Deportation of the nation's illegal aliens is impossible.-
Deportation is cruel and unusual.- Legalizing illegal aliens would
result in a fiscal windfall for the country. - Latinos in this
country hold all of the political cards.- The GOP cannot survive
unless Latinos are appeased and in order to do so, illegal aliens must be
legalized. - All Americans' ancestors were illegal aliens.Again, these are LIES. "We act as if our grandparents
got here legally... What does that even mean?"What it means,
Nick Nanos, is that UNLIKE today's illegal aliens, our grandparents
actually loved this country and WHAT IT STANDS FOR. They did not come here to
steal from it and then send the spoils to another country.Baccus0902: "Love thy neighbor" works both ways. And why no
compassion for VICTIMS of illegal immigration?
@ RedshirtThe reality is a bit more complex than that.We as a
country have the resources to close and secure our borders to prevent future
illegal migrations.However, I think that immigrants who have been
here for certain number of years and have roots in this country should have a
way to become legal residents and U.S. citizens later.They broke the
law? Yes, they did. However, I have always wondered how much illegal immigration
is "officially" tolerated to keep a percentage of cheap labor force.Redshirt, probably your ancestors came to this country when our
immigration laws were more relaxed or there were no immigration laws at all.Most of those people who cross the border with the help of a
"coyote" do it because they cannot receive papers or they will not be
even admitted in the American Consulate office in their countries of origin.The U.S. immgration rules mostly benefit the rich and do not consider
the poor.I am not oppose to stop illegal immigration. But,
let's be real and do what we can do to fix the problem. Punishing children
and good workers is not good for them or the country.
To "Baccus0902" which is more compassionate, sending the illegal
immigrants back to their country of origin or allowing them to remain in the US
essentially working as slaves?The illegal immigrants have no
possibility of advancement in their position if they come here illegally. Those
that come here legally can improve their life above manual labor jobs.Why do you wish to keep them in such a lowly position?
It would be nice if they were not also entitlement seekers. For them to live in
the US or Utah for that matter and the low-slave wages they work for, they have
to be entitlement seekers which having anchor children give them. Entitlements
are killing this country. At least make it law that employers have to pay decent
wages, health care and workman's compensation benefits so they can leave
the poor taxpayer alone. We are losing our jobs or working for low wages because
of illegal alien workers and the businesses that love them. Sorry employers but
your killing those off that support your pocket book, (The Citizens) Play fair
employers or you will lose in the long run by having a country that can't
afford to buy your goods.
I am always inspired by the love and compassion of my brothers from Utah! (sarcasm)
I say let them stay as long as they want. However, there are 2 restrictions
that they will have to abide by.First: They cannot work in the US
without first going through all the waiting and legal gymnastics to be a legal
worker.Second: Any child born to an illegal immigrant while in the
US will not receive US citizenship without following the same legal procedures
that any other immigrant must follow.They can stay as long as they
want and spend their money in the US for as long as they have money. But they
cannot work or automatically get their kids US citizenships.
Question:Does Mexico allow anyone to enter their country illegally
and stay as long as they'd like?Does Canada?England?Japan?