Published: Tuesday, Jan. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
There are still 11.5 million people here illegally. An estimated 2
million adults brought here as children have waivers available. An
estimated 1 million immediate relatives (keep family together) have waivers. That excuse no longer applies. That leaves 8.5 million people that need
to be deported. Or do you condone anyone who breaks any law to further their
Anyone who has ancestors from other countries...is descended from
illegal immigrants.That includes, the Pioneers.America
is a melting pot.Not a cauldron.
I haven't seen any problems. Crime is down. Do some history
reading about how the purchase of half of Mexico was done with guns in
Mexico's leaders faces. Does Obama have authority to sell half of the US?
Neither did Mexican leaders in 1846.
@Pagan,Yes but the difference is they came here legally. Those who come
here illegally show a blatant disrespect for the laws of our land which just
flows from generation to generation.
I think we can all agree that entering the country illegally to improve their
personal circumstances does not justify breaking the law. I also think people
are aware that we do have legal ways for people to come here. Those parts of the
article have me confused as to why they would say otherwise. When
someone comes here illegally to work illegally, allowing them to stay and work
is amnesty, whether by citizenship, or as taxpayer subsidized guest workers to
supply cheap labor. Many companies have already advised workers that on January
1, 2014, when Obama care kicks in, they will be cut to 28 hours, so the company
does not have to pay. The only way they can do this is with surplus labor. We won the war, then we paid for it. 74% of Mexicans think we stole
their land (and teach it in schools), and they have a right to take it back. We
are looking at a situation that's only going to get worse. Obama looks at
voters, business look at workers, and the Hispanic people are getting their land
The Pioneers came here legally?Ask the people on a reservation about
the validity of that claim. The first people who set foot on these lands.Think about that for a min...
@Peggyan,If you subscribe to the notion that the American Indians
owned(and therefore still own) 100% of the present day United States, you should
probably go find an untouched island somewhere and give whatever property you
tresspass on each day at your "home", work, wherever else you go, back
to the Indians.I thank the Mormon Pioneers for coming here
legally.Our goal should be for all criminals should be in
jail(whether they be bank robbers, child predators, or illegal immigrants).Criminals are criminals and should be treated as such.
Well, there's an option I hadn't thought of...Round them all up and
put them in jail. All 11 million. Bingo! Problem solved. (sarcasm font off...)
To "Pagan" as has been pointed out by others, the Utah Pioneers came
here legally. Mexico was looking for people to colonize their territories.
That is another fact you omit. Utah was Mexican territory, not indian
territory. The indians were conquored and lost their lands.The libs
out there, don't you find it ironic that you are being played by the
illegal immigrants whenver they use families as their reason for being permitted
to stay. Quite often the familes will send the men to work in the US while the
women and children stay in their home countries. By deporting them, you are
uniting them, not keeping them separated. The other ironic thing that you
liberals forget is that when the illegals are deported they can take their
children with them, but often choose not to. Again, your policies are allowing
families to be split up. If you want to make things better for the illegals,
ship the entire family back to their country of origin and the US born kids can
return when they are 18.
Noticeably absent from BOTH political parties' various discussions of
amnesty, dream acts, etc., is any talk of ENFORCEMENT.Maybe those
illegal aliens who don't like THIS round of amnesty can just wait for the
next round of amnesty? One that would be more to their liking.I
would like to hear EITHER political party tell me that whoever is still here
AFTER their latest proposal - WILL be deported - without delay. Realistically, there are very few illegal aliens who prefer to be citizens.
Why should they? They already get free medical food stamps, WIC, etc. When
they file taxes (on a stolen SS #)they get back more than they ever paid due to
the earned income credit. Then they change addresses so the IRS never figures
out where they are (even if they wanted to).
Native Americans din't want Europeans or Mexicans here. That's a fact.
They fought both, and it was considered a war even by the US against the native
Americans which is why the US gave Geronimo prisoner of war status and
didn't prosecute him for the people he had killed in war.
What is the use of having a Nation of Laws when all of our elected and civic
officials bow down to the illegals instead of listening to the lawful citizens
of the U.S. Allowing these law breakers to partake of our welfare, eductional,
and healthcare systems is disgusting. Giving these people amnesty only teaches
me, a lifelong citizen by birth of the United States that crime pays big time.
The Deseret News is teaching these illegals a lesson that will eventually
destroy the United States.
Deportation is possible. E-verify would eliminate many. In 2007 a study was done
by the US government. It showed the cost of deporting 12 million would be 94
billion. Far less than the 113 billion we spend each year of taxpayers money on
them. Americans deserve better than having to subsidize cheap labor
for business. The 23 million people looking for full time work are people to,
and they deserve to have access to the jobs that those illegally have taken.
Families living in different countries are not broken. Many people around the
world have chosen to live away from family, by doing so, they do not break their
families. Using the "broken families" phrase is wrong.
Broken families is the wrong phrase?How can parents raise a child
from another country?Skypeing will only get you so far.
In spite of what the "Gang of 13" tells us, we the people, don't
buy the story that illegals sneaking into our country is a good thing. A recent
story on MSN said that 6 out of 10 favor letting the illegals in and stay, while
asking for a vote on the subject. I voted and found that of the several hundred
thousand who voted, 79% voted no and 17% voted yes and 4% had no opinion. Every
snap poll that I see in Utah always is around 80-84% against illegal migration.
Only the DMS, Gov, AG, Sutherland, LaRaza, the SLC Chamber and the other members
of the Gang favor illegal migration. We want the IMMIGRATION LAWS ENFORCED!
Viva LEGAL immigration.
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