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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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RichardB
Murray, UT

There are still 11.5 million people here illegally.

An estimated 2 million adults brought here as children have waivers available.
An estimated 1 million immediate relatives (keep family together) have waivers.

That excuse no longer applies. That leaves 8.5 million people that need to be deported. Or do you condone anyone who breaks any law to further their economic standing?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Anyone who has ancestors from other countries...

is descended from illegal immigrants.

That includes, the Pioneers.

America is a melting pot.

Not a cauldron.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

I haven't seen any problems. Crime is down.

Do some history reading about how the purchase of half of Mexico was done with guns in Mexico's leaders faces. Does Obama have authority to sell half of the US? Neither did Mexican leaders in 1846.

cris
Hamilton, IL

@Pagan,
Yes but the difference is they came here legally. Those who come here illegally show a blatant disrespect for the laws of our land which just flows from generation to generation.

RRB
SLC, UT

I think we can all agree that entering the country illegally to improve their personal circumstances does not justify breaking the law. I also think people are aware that we do have legal ways for people to come here. Those parts of the article have me confused as to why they would say otherwise.

When someone comes here illegally to work illegally, allowing them to stay and work is amnesty, whether by citizenship, or as taxpayer subsidized guest workers to supply cheap labor. Many companies have already advised workers that on January 1, 2014, when Obama care kicks in, they will be cut to 28 hours, so the company does not have to pay. The only way they can do this is with surplus labor.

We won the war, then we paid for it. 74% of Mexicans think we stole their land (and teach it in schools), and they have a right to take it back. We are looking at a situation that's only going to get worse. Obama looks at voters, business look at workers, and the Hispanic people are getting their land back.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

The Pioneers came here legally?

Ask the people on a reservation about the validity of that claim. The first people who set foot on these lands.

Think about that for a min...

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Peggyan,

If you subscribe to the notion that the American Indians owned(and therefore still own) 100% of the present day United States, you should probably go find an untouched island somewhere and give whatever property you tresspass on each day at your "home", work, wherever else you go, back to the Indians.

I thank the Mormon Pioneers for coming here legally.

Our goal should be for all criminals should be in jail(whether they be bank robbers, child predators, or illegal immigrants).

Criminals are criminals and should be treated as such.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Well, there's an option I hadn't thought of...Round them all up and put them in jail. All 11 million. Bingo! Problem solved. (sarcasm font off...)

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Pagan" as has been pointed out by others, the Utah Pioneers came here legally. Mexico was looking for people to colonize their territories. That is another fact you omit. Utah was Mexican territory, not indian territory. The indians were conquored and lost their lands.

The libs out there, don't you find it ironic that you are being played by the illegal immigrants whenver they use families as their reason for being permitted to stay. Quite often the familes will send the men to work in the US while the women and children stay in their home countries. By deporting them, you are uniting them, not keeping them separated. The other ironic thing that you liberals forget is that when the illegals are deported they can take their children with them, but often choose not to. Again, your policies are allowing families to be split up. If you want to make things better for the illegals, ship the entire family back to their country of origin and the US born kids can return when they are 18.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Noticeably absent from BOTH political parties' various discussions of amnesty, dream acts, etc., is any talk of ENFORCEMENT.

Maybe those illegal aliens who don't like THIS round of amnesty can just wait for the next round of amnesty? One that would be more to their liking.

I would like to hear EITHER political party tell me that whoever is still here AFTER their latest proposal - WILL be deported - without delay.

Realistically, there are very few illegal aliens who prefer to be citizens. Why should they? They already get free medical food stamps, WIC, etc. When they file taxes (on a stolen SS #)they get back more than they ever paid due to the earned income credit. Then they change addresses so the IRS never figures out where they are (even if they wanted to).

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Native Americans din't want Europeans or Mexicans here. That's a fact. They fought both, and it was considered a war even by the US against the native Americans which is why the US gave Geronimo prisoner of war status and didn't prosecute him for the people he had killed in war.

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT

What is the use of having a Nation of Laws when all of our elected and civic officials bow down to the illegals instead of listening to the lawful citizens of the U.S. Allowing these law breakers to partake of our welfare, eductional, and healthcare systems is disgusting. Giving these people amnesty only teaches me, a lifelong citizen by birth of the United States that crime pays big time. The Deseret News is teaching these illegals a lesson that will eventually destroy the United States.

RRB
SLC, UT

Deportation is possible. E-verify would eliminate many. In 2007 a study was done by the US government. It showed the cost of deporting 12 million would be 94 billion. Far less than the 113 billion we spend each year of taxpayers money on them.

Americans deserve better than having to subsidize cheap labor for business. The 23 million people looking for full time work are people to, and they deserve to have access to the jobs that those illegally have taken.

prelax
Murray, UT

Families living in different countries are not broken. Many people around the world have chosen to live away from family, by doing so, they do not break their families.

Using the "broken families" phrase is wrong.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Broken families is the wrong phrase?

How can parents raise a child from another country?

Skypeing will only get you so far.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

In spite of what the "Gang of 13" tells us, we the people, don't buy the story that illegals sneaking into our country is a good thing. A recent story on MSN said that 6 out of 10 favor letting the illegals in and stay, while asking for a vote on the subject. I voted and found that of the several hundred thousand who voted, 79% voted no and 17% voted yes and 4% had no opinion. Every snap poll that I see in Utah always is around 80-84% against illegal migration. Only the DMS, Gov, AG, Sutherland, LaRaza, the SLC Chamber and the other members of the Gang favor illegal migration. We want the IMMIGRATION LAWS ENFORCED! Viva LEGAL immigration.

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