Published: Tuesday, Jan. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Columbine had armed guards.That did not shop the shooting.Ft. Hood had armed guards.That did not stop the shooting.The colorado shooter purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition and no one
did anything.That did not stop the shooting.Gabriel
Giffords had armed security and three men with concealed weapons.That did not stop her from being shot.Trevon Martin did not have a
gun.He was shot by a neighborhood watch, who was armed with a gunThe logic that guns 'stop' shootings has been proven false,
over and over again.It is like claiming MORE water...prevents
Without comprehensive background checks, how do you know who the law abiding
citizens are?And for the record, Obama's plan includes more
education on firearm safety - and the NRA opposes it.
There is NO total gun ban proposed! So your argument that criminals will always
have guns is meaningless rhetoric.
Elsie, please tell me what is the probablity that you will ever in your life
time be confronted with a criminal brandishing a gun. Then take that probablity
and tell me further what is the probablity that the criminal holding a gun on
you intends to kill you with that gun. Now compare that probablity to the
probablity that you will be killed in a car accident the next time you drive on
the interstate..a probablity I presume you take willingly, and tell me why
it's a tragedy the President wants to restrict guns because criminals have
guns. Then consider the fact that most criminals get their guns legally or at
least lillegally get guns that were first purchased legally. We can
argue about the constitutionality of gun ownership and restrictions there on but
this whole criminals have guns argument is just childish.
A simplistic view Elsie. How would have a gun safety course have helped at
Sandy Hook? Your comment is like an Ostrich burying his head in the sand.
"What we need is more organizations like the National Rifle Association to
promote and teach gun safety."People have the right to keep guns
in their house for self protection.And, with additional training and
licensing, they can carry in public.The problem is that in order to
get a CCP in Utah, one must go to a 4 hour class.No range time is
required. No proficiency with the weapon needs to be demonstrated.Seriously, does that make sense to anyone? Do you really want people around
you and your family in public with virtually no training?
News flash to Elsie: It IS OK for law abiding citizens to have and use guns.
Even if all of the President's proposals are enacted, it will still be OK
for law abiding citizens to have and use guns. Wouldn't we all be better
off if we take a few extra breaths, calm down, quell our fears and get informed
on these important issues from a variety of news sources?
There are many incidents daily, weekly, where a legal gun owner stops a bad guy.
These stories are often kept from the news by anti-gun biases, but a few get
through. An honest police officer has said they are much more frequent than
people think. Kaysville, a 'bad guy' shot someone, and was
emptying his gun in the man after he was down. A concealed carrier shot the
"bad guy" dead, and the victim of the 'bad guy' was able to
get medical care and lived. Others have shot home intruders wielding a gun.
There is no opportunity for police to help in these cases. They could never get
there until after it is too late.It is hard to measure how many are
saved in this way, but undoubtedly some, since we have incidents where the
homeowner is shot and killed all too frequently.In the case of mass
shootings, meeting armed resistance after the first shooting, may save the 2nd
or the 70th person. Educating gun owners to lock up their guns, or
an armed person in the school, could have saved Sandyhook. The no-gun policy and
lock-down buzz-in security system didn't.
The NRA has had a long time to make things better. It's time to recognise
that they may not want to make the changes needed, and go ahead without them.
Let the dog wag the tail again.
Christian, I'm still waiting for some good documentation of the claims you
keep making.How about a link to anything that documents the story
you tell of an incident in Kaysville?
"There are many incidents daily, weekly, where a legal gun owner stops a bad
guy."probably true. However, for every one of those that you
can cite, I can come up with 10 where guns were used in the home against family
members.Rather than look at isolated, anecdotal incidents, one would
be better served looking statistically at the issue.
Last Saturday, five people were accidentally shot at gun shows. Sadly, far more
guns kill or maim people by accident or are used in suicides than are used in
defense of self or property.
Since there are few, if any, “law abiding” citizens in America, we
must deal with the reality of the world as it is. The fact is that
guns are made for killing and are often used to kill people. A gun is an object
of opportunity, it provides a whole range of ways to kill that are quick,
effective, easy and cheap. Other means used to kill people are not nearly so
well suited for the task as a gun. The only way to reduce the
number of people killed by guns is to limit the number of guns in the hands of
people and reduce the killing power of the guns themselves. The notion that
some guys, ignorant of what society would become, and fearful of national
government, should dictate to us how to run our lives is dumb. We
can and we must limit, control and infringe on the rights of our citizens for
the safety and well being of our people. To further advertise and normalize the
ownership and use of guns is contrary to that purpose.
Good letter. For many years the NRA has been the major gun safety educational
force in America. When law-abiding Americans are able to keep and bear arms,
our society is safer. Gun control erodes that safety.Re: JoeBlow:
Studies have shown that in the U.S. each year guns are used to prevent crimes
more than 2 million times, usually without a shot being fired.
Peanut says: "Studies have shown that in the U.S. each year guns are used to
prevent crimes more than 2 million times, usually without a shot being
fired."And I say again, can anyone show us reliable
documentation that that claim is true?Simply repeating something
someone somewhere said sometime is not reliable documentation.
When law abiding Americans are able to keep and bear Arms, Americans are
safer?Ask Gabriel Giffords.She had not one, not two but
THREE men around her with concealed weapons.She was shot in the
We need some credible news sources.Not more Faux News empty talking
PeanutGallery: your statistic sounds a little exaggerated. Could you provide
this study? I would really like to see their methodology. And just to be fair,
let's have JoeBlow provide his study too.
More organizations like the NRA? I'm all for it. The comedic potential
boggles the mind. . .
No, we need more instruction AND less firearms. Not one or the other but both.
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