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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Columbine had armed guards.

That did not shop the shooting.

Ft. Hood had armed guards.

That did not stop the shooting.

The colorado shooter purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition and no one did anything.

That did not stop the shooting.

Gabriel Giffords had armed security and three men with concealed weapons.

That did not stop her from being shot.

Trevon Martin did not have a gun.

He was shot by a neighborhood watch, who was armed with a gun

The logic that guns 'stop' shootings has been proven false, over and over again.

It is like claiming MORE water...prevents drownings.

Maudine
SLC, UT

Without comprehensive background checks, how do you know who the law abiding citizens are?

And for the record, Obama's plan includes more education on firearm safety - and the NRA opposes it.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

There is NO total gun ban proposed! So your argument that criminals will always have guns is meaningless rhetoric.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Elsie, please tell me what is the probablity that you will ever in your life time be confronted with a criminal brandishing a gun. Then take that probablity and tell me further what is the probablity that the criminal holding a gun on you intends to kill you with that gun. Now compare that probablity to the probablity that you will be killed in a car accident the next time you drive on the interstate..a probablity I presume you take willingly, and tell me why it's a tragedy the President wants to restrict guns because criminals have guns. Then consider the fact that most criminals get their guns legally or at least lillegally get guns that were first purchased legally.

We can argue about the constitutionality of gun ownership and restrictions there on but this whole criminals have guns argument is just childish.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

A simplistic view Elsie. How would have a gun safety course have helped at Sandy Hook? Your comment is like an Ostrich burying his head in the sand.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"What we need is more organizations like the National Rifle Association to promote and teach gun safety."

People have the right to keep guns in their house for self protection.
And, with additional training and licensing, they can carry in public.

The problem is that in order to get a CCP in Utah, one must go to a 4 hour class.
No range time is required. No proficiency with the weapon needs to be demonstrated.

Seriously, does that make sense to anyone? Do you really want people around you and your family in public with virtually no training?

Bergbub
Midway, UT

News flash to Elsie: It IS OK for law abiding citizens to have and use guns. Even if all of the President's proposals are enacted, it will still be OK for law abiding citizens to have and use guns. Wouldn't we all be better off if we take a few extra breaths, calm down, quell our fears and get informed on these important issues from a variety of news sources?

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

There are many incidents daily, weekly, where a legal gun owner stops a bad guy. These stories are often kept from the news by anti-gun biases, but a few get through. An honest police officer has said they are much more frequent than people think.

Kaysville, a 'bad guy' shot someone, and was emptying his gun in the man after he was down. A concealed carrier shot the "bad guy" dead, and the victim of the 'bad guy' was able to get medical care and lived. Others have shot home intruders wielding a gun. There is no opportunity for police to help in these cases. They could never get there until after it is too late.

It is hard to measure how many are saved in this way, but undoubtedly some, since we have incidents where the homeowner is shot and killed all too frequently.

In the case of mass shootings, meeting armed resistance after the first shooting, may save the 2nd or the 70th person.

Educating gun owners to lock up their guns, or an armed person in the school, could have saved Sandyhook. The no-gun policy and lock-down buzz-in security system didn't.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The NRA has had a long time to make things better. It's time to recognise that they may not want to make the changes needed, and go ahead without them. Let the dog wag the tail again.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Christian, I'm still waiting for some good documentation of the claims you keep making.

How about a link to anything that documents the story you tell of an incident in Kaysville?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"There are many incidents daily, weekly, where a legal gun owner stops a bad guy."

probably true. However, for every one of those that you can cite, I can come up with 10 where guns were used in the home against family members.

Rather than look at isolated, anecdotal incidents, one would be better served looking statistically at the issue.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Last Saturday, five people were accidentally shot at gun shows. Sadly, far more guns kill or maim people by accident or are used in suicides than are used in defense of self or property.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Since there are few, if any, “law abiding” citizens in America, we must deal with the reality of the world as it is.

The fact is that guns are made for killing and are often used to kill people. A gun is an object of opportunity, it provides a whole range of ways to kill that are quick, effective, easy and cheap. Other means used to kill people are not nearly so well suited for the task as a gun.

The only way to reduce the number of people killed by guns is to limit the number of guns in the hands of people and reduce the killing power of the guns themselves. The notion that some guys, ignorant of what society would become, and fearful of national government, should dictate to us how to run our lives is dumb.

We can and we must limit, control and infringe on the rights of our citizens for the safety and well being of our people. To further advertise and normalize the ownership and use of guns is contrary to that purpose.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

Good letter. For many years the NRA has been the major gun safety educational force in America. When law-abiding Americans are able to keep and bear arms, our society is safer. Gun control erodes that safety.

Re: JoeBlow: Studies have shown that in the U.S. each year guns are used to prevent crimes more than 2 million times, usually without a shot being fired.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Peanut says: "Studies have shown that in the U.S. each year guns are used to prevent crimes more than 2 million times, usually without a shot being fired."

And I say again, can anyone show us reliable documentation that that claim is true?

Simply repeating something someone somewhere said sometime is not reliable documentation.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

When law abiding Americans are able to keep and bear Arms, Americans are safer?

Ask Gabriel Giffords.

She had not one, not two but THREE men around her with concealed weapons.

She was shot in the head.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

We need some credible news sources.

Not more Faux News empty talking points.

omni scent
taylorsville, UT

PeanutGallery: your statistic sounds a little exaggerated. Could you provide this study? I would really like to see their methodology. And just to be fair, let's have JoeBlow provide his study too.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

More organizations like the NRA? I'm all for it. The comedic potential boggles the mind. . .

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

No, we need more instruction AND less firearms. Not one or the other but both.

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