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Group holds gun control march and rally in NYC

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  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 2:27 a.m.

    Ok. Let's continue the water analogy.

    How many people can you kill..with water?

    How many times has water...invaded your home?

    More Americans have died due to gun violence than to all the wars since 1968, combined.

    In NM, a 15 year old child killed his parents and I believe three siblings.

    Monday.

    Water does not kill people.

    Easy access to guns, killed that family.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug- Those "lovely" places as you call them may or may not have as many gun killings as the US. But you did mention that we aren't blowing each other up like the crazies in those places do. I'm of the belief that even if you outlawed and got rid of every gun in America, those that want to do harm to others would find a way. Knives? ya, right! NO, my friend, they would do what those "lovely" people do, they would build a bomb and instead of 20 kids killed, it would be the whole Beaver Dam. Who is going to stop the "lovelies"? You?

    I own many guns. They are locked in a safe. My teens who also use these guns for hunting and sport, have the combo. They have been trained very well in the handling of guns. I also own many other things that are far more scary. Like cars. A teen with a gun doesn't scare me nearly as bad as a teen with a car. Especially a teen with a cell phone in a car. That's a recipe for disaster. Do you have any of those?

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    Pagan;

    I like your analogy with water. Even small amounts and an unsupervised child can result in an accidental drowning.

    I am not a proponent of banning either water or careless parents. However I would direct you to the news reports from Aug 3, 2010 when six teens from two LA families drowned because their parents regarded water as dangerous and banned swimming lessons to keep them safely away from water.

    I teach swimming and have a healthy respect for it's risks. But I do not fear it. I use it and take comfort in the knowledge that my children also know how to use it safely. And if the day ever comes that they need those tools to defend their children from water, they will not hesitate to act.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 8:45 p.m.

    Screwdriver, just so you know, the terms assault weapon and assault rifle have legal definitions and they are not interchangeable.

    The characteristics of an assault weapon are semiautomatic operation, a detachable magazine, and one or more of the following cosmetic features; pistol grip, folding stock, flash suppressor, or bayonet mount. Since most modern rifles and shotguns are semiautomatic, the basic difference is an AR-15 looks scary. And the price was set by shortage. Had a proposal to restrict all semiautomatic weapons been made, they would all be in short supply.

    An assault rifle is different. It, by definition, is capable of fully automatic fire. It's a machine gun! Regulations on assault rifles like AK-47 are very strict.

    Pagan's Proof:
    Kennesaw, GA at one time had a violent crime rate comparable to their larger neighbor, Atlanta. Then in 1982 the city passed an ordinance requiring every household to have at least one gun. The law had so many exemptions available that very few people who did not previously own a gun went out and bought one and it was never actually enforced. Yet the violent crime rate quickly dropped 50% and has stayed that way.

  • Phred Ogden, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    400 participants in the anti-gun rally in a metro area with 14.1 million residents.
    2,000 participants in the pro-gun rally in that same metro area.
    It seems the enthusiasm concentration of the pro side is 5 times that of the anti-side.

    Here in Utah, with 3,000 participants in a metro area with 1.1 million, it appears the pro-gun side enthusiasm concentration is about 130 times as high.

    Of course might does not necessarily make right. We are a republic after all. But I am sure it will give pause to the members of Congress who seem to pay more attention to polls than their sworn commitment to uphold the constitution.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    It's either dishonest or uninformed to say there is no difference in what is called and "assault" or "tactical" weapon.

    Your own magazines and video reviews of these guns say otherwise. They claim that you can fire rapidly and maintain "tight grouping".

    AND you gun nuts are willing to pay 10 times as much for the assault rifle over a hunting weapon. I'm told they are sold out everywhere but you can still get hunting rifles. Odd when YOU say they are the same.... You nuts made the names! YOU stop calling them ASSAULT RIFLES!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Any proof that more guns prevent gun killings?

    No. Speculation is not evidence.

    Ft. Hood and Gabriel Giffords shooting prove that claim to be false.

    A logical comparison to that claim would be that MORE water...

    prevents drowning.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    Pagan: The Columbine officers were Not armed as they were n ot allowed to have their guns inside the school. Had they been armed things would have been different.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    Columbine had armed security.

    Ft. Hood had armed responders.

    Gabriel Giffords had three armed men around her when she was shot in the head.

    Result?

    More dead Americans.

    The shooter in Colorado purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition online and did not raise any concerns.

    Zero background checks are required at gun shows. Cash only.

    More Americans were killed than in every war since 1968, combined.

    20 children were killed, last month.

    Something needs to change.

  • Gkwahlberg Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    eactcoastcoug, You're comment about Afghanistan having a lot of deaths is not totally accurate, as WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data. The majority of those crimes are gang, black on black shootings, not law-abiding citizens.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    A gun alone can not kill anyone. People kill people. And continuously talking about what happened glorifies what the person has done. Tho those killers are dead they got their 15 minutes of fame and continue to get it. The Constitution gives us the right to own guns and that can not be changed.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    @DN sub
    So if they have an apposing view they are zealots but the people up on the hill where honest good people? then why did the people protesting here have to lie about where the sheriffs letter originated and about the actual executive orders put forth by Obama? Nothing Obama did with the executive orders would do one thing to remove any existing gun from any gun owner that already has the right to own that gun.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    We need a similar rally in Utah. There are SOME people in this state with some sense.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Let me add, there are also thousands of innocents killed by someone with intent to kill who had no prior criminal record - usually boyfriends, fathers, sons (men) who are angry about something AND have access to a gun.

    Take away the guns, and you might have more knifings, but far fewer deaths. Like other civilized nations.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Most of the gun murders in this country are criminal vs. criminal. Most of the murders of innocent people are not by criminals but by others with no record at all who either shot someone accidentally (e.g. the gun show shootings this weekend) or intentionally killed dozens (e.g. Aurora, Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc.).

    Both groups - the criminal and the non criminal - would have a hard time killing as many as they do if we had far fewer guns. If we had the same gun culture as say Sweden or the UK, we could still have violent crime, but less murder or accidental deaths. Plain and simple.

    Our murder rate is above lovely places like Libya, Iraq, Venezuela, Columbia, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan. The EU is nowhere near us. Nor Japan or Australia. We are the only "developed" country with our rate or total number of murder. We're not blowing each other up or knifing one another to death. It's the guns.

  • Rynn Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    This group's main goal is simply wanting to stop violence. So I'm certainly not going to criticize them.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    @rvalens2

    Reloading a gun might only take 2 seconds, but those 2 seconds might be all you need to jump on a shooter and take him down. Remind me again why you need high-capacity magazines? Do you expect that deer to stand still while you miss him 10 times?

    I've asked every gun nut I know why they need high-capacity magazines. So far I've gotten two answers:
    1. "It's my right." (even though I can't find a mention of that right anywhere in the Constitution)
    2. "They're fun." (I've got no answer for this one)

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    assault rifle, assault rifle, assault rifle!

    I am so sick of hearing that term... and from the blind sheep who have no idea what it means... "he used a black gun, so it must be an assault rifle"

    Is the average american really this dumb?

    As far as a 10 round magazine limit... have any of you ever swapped a magazine? It takes all of a couple seconds!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    @rvalens2,

    The killers in Aurora and Sandy Hook were not criminals. Neither was the guy at Trolley Square, nor the kids at Columbine. None of these mass murders has been committed by criminals. I don't fear being shot by a criminal. I fear being shot by a crazy person who's parents "collected" assault rifles. Truth is, my friends' kids would still be alive today, if there were no assault weapons in this country. There is no other reason why these rural communities see this regular bloodbath, other than the fact that someone's mixed up son has access to parents' weapon stash.

    Do nothing, and it will keep on happening.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    I get a kick out of "conservatives" who are against entitlements for everyone but themselves i.e. no restrictions whatsoever on our guns and ammunitions. Then there's the argument that none of Obama's proposals would have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy so we should do "nothing" since we can't seem to solve it.

    I've got news for you people, the majority of us out here are more afraid of you who are so paranoid that you keep stockpiling weapons and ammo. How can you say gun control laws wouldn't have stopped Mr. Lanza? If he had been unable to get his hands on an AR-15 with large clips of ammunition, of course he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did. An armed guard would have fared no better than the school's security system which he shot up to enter a locked building. Lanza had far more firepower than the average security officer.

    DN Subscriber 2 - Lanza and Holmes were not criminals, yet they managed to kill 40+ people. It's time we got rid of these weapons. Period. NYC has done this to great success. In the end, no one gets them.

  • Jory payson, utah
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    Later that year Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Using Reagan to support the Brady bill is like Using Obama to support Israel.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Regarding handguns, Reagan stated, "This level of violence must be stopped. ... If the passage of the Brady bill were to result in a reduction of only 10 or 15 percent of those numbers (and it could be a good deal greater), it would be well worth making it the law of the land."

    Finally, in 1994, Reagan successfully threw his support behind the Assault Weapons Ban in a joint letter to the Boston Globe, saying, "As a longtime gun owner and supporter of the right to bear arms . I am convinced that the limitations imposed in this bill are absolutely necessary." The ban on assault weapons had a sunset provision and lapsed in 2004, and many gun advocates have strongly opposed any attempts to pass it again, including after the Newtown massacre.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    More Associated Press advocacy claiming to be "journalism."

    This event attracted a whopping total of only 400 people, including zealots who came from several states. Here in Utah alone we had 3,000 Utahns at the capitol on a bitterly cold day.

    Undoubtedly the NYC protesters are sincere and well intentioned. But, they are terribly misinformed, and easily seduced by simplistic notions that somehow just one more gun control law will make criminals obey all laws. They refuse to see, or accept, repeated studies, including from the Center for Disease Control that all their pet schemes have been tried, and NONE, repeat NONE, show evidence of making a significant reduction on criminal acts with guns.

    Let's focus on solutions that work- enforcing current laws and locking up criminals and helping the crazy folks, not fall for the phoney feel-good rhetoric from failed schemes.

    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    "If the man at Sandy Hook had a regular gun instead of an assault weapon, half of those children would be alive," - New York Mom

    Unfortunately, such a statement is simply not true. A semi-automatic hand gun of the same caliber (at close quarters) is just as deadly as a semi-automatic rifle. And to those who want to limit clips to no more than 10 rounds ... that won't make much difference either. Reloading a 7 or 10 round clip into either a hand gun or rifle takes no more than 2 seconds.

    It might feel good for supporters to pass such laws, but in reality it won't change a thing. Taking such steps, only affects the law abiding citizens of this country. Criminals will have no compunction in using outlawed weapons to commit their crimes.