Ok. Let's continue the water analogy.How many people can you
kill..with water?How many times has water...invaded your home?More Americans have died due to gun violence than to all the wars since
1968, combined.In NM, a 15 year old child killed his parents and I
believe three siblings. Monday.Water does not kill
people.Easy access to guns, killed that family.
eastcoastcoug- Those "lovely" places as you call them may or may not
have as many gun killings as the US. But you did mention that we aren't
blowing each other up like the crazies in those places do. I'm of the
belief that even if you outlawed and got rid of every gun in America, those that
want to do harm to others would find a way. Knives? ya, right! NO, my friend,
they would do what those "lovely" people do, they would build a bomb and
instead of 20 kids killed, it would be the whole Beaver Dam. Who is going to
stop the "lovelies"? You? I own many guns. They are locked
in a safe. My teens who also use these guns for hunting and sport, have the
combo. They have been trained very well in the handling of guns. I also own many
other things that are far more scary. Like cars. A teen with a gun doesn't
scare me nearly as bad as a teen with a car. Especially a teen with a cell phone
in a car. That's a recipe for disaster. Do you have any of those?
Pagan;I like your analogy with water. Even small amounts and an
unsupervised child can result in an accidental drowning.I am not a
proponent of banning either water or careless parents. However I would direct
you to the news reports from Aug 3, 2010 when six teens from two LA families
drowned because their parents regarded water as dangerous and banned swimming
lessons to keep them safely away from water.I teach swimming and
have a healthy respect for it's risks. But I do not fear it. I use it and
take comfort in the knowledge that my children also know how to use it safely.
And if the day ever comes that they need those tools to defend their children
from water, they will not hesitate to act.
Screwdriver, just so you know, the terms assault weapon and assault rifle have
legal definitions and they are not interchangeable.The
characteristics of an assault weapon are semiautomatic operation, a detachable
magazine, and one or more of the following cosmetic features; pistol grip,
folding stock, flash suppressor, or bayonet mount. Since most modern rifles and
shotguns are semiautomatic, the basic difference is an AR-15 looks scary. And
the price was set by shortage. Had a proposal to restrict all semiautomatic
weapons been made, they would all be in short supply.An assault
rifle is different. It, by definition, is capable of fully automatic fire.
It's a machine gun! Regulations on assault rifles like AK-47 are very
strict.Pagan's Proof:Kennesaw, GA at one time had a
violent crime rate comparable to their larger neighbor, Atlanta. Then in 1982
the city passed an ordinance requiring every household to have at least one gun.
The law had so many exemptions available that very few people who did not
previously own a gun went out and bought one and it was never actually enforced.
Yet the violent crime rate quickly dropped 50% and has stayed that way.
400 participants in the anti-gun rally in a metro area with 14.1 million
residents.2,000 participants in the pro-gun rally in that same metro
area.It seems the enthusiasm concentration of the pro side is 5 times that
of the anti-side.Here in Utah, with 3,000 participants in a metro
area with 1.1 million, it appears the pro-gun side enthusiasm concentration is
about 130 times as high.Of course might does not necessarily make
right. We are a republic after all. But I am sure it will give pause to the
members of Congress who seem to pay more attention to polls than their sworn
commitment to uphold the constitution.
It's either dishonest or uninformed to say there is no difference in what
is called and "assault" or "tactical" weapon. Your
own magazines and video reviews of these guns say otherwise. They claim that you
can fire rapidly and maintain "tight grouping". AND you gun
nuts are willing to pay 10 times as much for the assault rifle over a hunting
weapon. I'm told they are sold out everywhere but you can still get hunting
rifles. Odd when YOU say they are the same.... You nuts made the names! YOU stop
calling them ASSAULT RIFLES!
Any proof that more guns prevent gun killings?No. Speculation is not
evidence. Ft. Hood and Gabriel Giffords shooting prove that claim to
be false.A logical comparison to that claim would be that MORE
Pagan: The Columbine officers were Not armed as they were n ot allowed to have
their guns inside the school. Had they been armed things would have been
Columbine had armed security.Ft. Hood had armed responders.Gabriel Giffords had three armed men around her when she was shot in the
head.Result?More dead Americans. The shooter
in Colorado purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition online and did not raise any
concerns.Zero background checks are required at gun shows. Cash
only.More Americans were killed than in every war since 1968,
combined.20 children were killed, last month.Something
needs to change.
eactcoastcoug, You're comment about Afghanistan having a lot of deaths is
not totally accurate, as WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been
killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun
fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.
The majority of those crimes are gang, black on black shootings, not law-abiding
A gun alone can not kill anyone. People kill people. And continuously talking
about what happened glorifies what the person has done. Tho those killers are
dead they got their 15 minutes of fame and continue to get it. The Constitution
gives us the right to own guns and that can not be changed.
@DN subSo if they have an apposing view they are zealots but the people up
on the hill where honest good people? then why did the people protesting here
have to lie about where the sheriffs letter originated and about the actual
executive orders put forth by Obama? Nothing Obama did with the executive orders
would do one thing to remove any existing gun from any gun owner that already
has the right to own that gun.
We need a similar rally in Utah. There are SOME people in this state with some
Let me add, there are also thousands of innocents killed by someone with intent
to kill who had no prior criminal record - usually boyfriends, fathers, sons
(men) who are angry about something AND have access to a gun. Take
away the guns, and you might have more knifings, but far fewer deaths. Like
other civilized nations.
Most of the gun murders in this country are criminal vs. criminal. Most of the
murders of innocent people are not by criminals but by others with no record at
all who either shot someone accidentally (e.g. the gun show shootings this
weekend) or intentionally killed dozens (e.g. Aurora, Columbine, Sandy Hook,
etc.). Both groups - the criminal and the non criminal - would have
a hard time killing as many as they do if we had far fewer guns. If we had the
same gun culture as say Sweden or the UK, we could still have violent crime, but
less murder or accidental deaths. Plain and simple.Our murder rate
is above lovely places like Libya, Iraq, Venezuela, Columbia, Iran, Syria,
Afghanistan. The EU is nowhere near us. Nor Japan or Australia. We are the only
"developed" country with our rate or total number of murder. We're
not blowing each other up or knifing one another to death. It's the guns.
This group's main goal is simply wanting to stop violence. So I'm
certainly not going to criticize them.
@rvalens2Reloading a gun might only take 2 seconds, but those 2
seconds might be all you need to jump on a shooter and take him down. Remind me
again why you need high-capacity magazines? Do you expect that deer to stand
still while you miss him 10 times?I've asked every gun nut I
know why they need high-capacity magazines. So far I've gotten two
answers:1. "It's my right." (even though I can't find a
mention of that right anywhere in the Constitution)2. "They're
fun." (I've got no answer for this one)
assault rifle, assault rifle, assault rifle!I am so sick of hearing
that term... and from the blind sheep who have no idea what it means... "he
used a black gun, so it must be an assault rifle"Is the average
american really this dumb?As far as a 10 round magazine limit...
have any of you ever swapped a magazine? It takes all of a couple seconds!
@rvalens2,The killers in Aurora and Sandy Hook were not criminals.
Neither was the guy at Trolley Square, nor the kids at Columbine. None of these
mass murders has been committed by criminals. I don't fear being shot by a
criminal. I fear being shot by a crazy person who's parents
"collected" assault rifles. Truth is, my friends' kids would still
be alive today, if there were no assault weapons in this country. There is no
other reason why these rural communities see this regular bloodbath, other than
the fact that someone's mixed up son has access to parents' weapon
stash. Do nothing, and it will keep on happening.
I get a kick out of "conservatives" who are against entitlements for
everyone but themselves i.e. no restrictions whatsoever on our guns and
ammunitions. Then there's the argument that none of Obama's proposals
would have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy so we should do "nothing"
since we can't seem to solve it. I've got news for you
people, the majority of us out here are more afraid of you who are so paranoid
that you keep stockpiling weapons and ammo. How can you say gun control laws
wouldn't have stopped Mr. Lanza? If he had been unable to get his hands on
an AR-15 with large clips of ammunition, of course he wouldn't have gotten
as far as he did. An armed guard would have fared no better than the
school's security system which he shot up to enter a locked building. Lanza
had far more firepower than the average security officer. DN
Subscriber 2 - Lanza and Holmes were not criminals, yet they managed to kill 40+
people. It's time we got rid of these weapons. Period. NYC has done this to
great success. In the end, no one gets them.
Later that year Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Using Reagan to
support the Brady bill is like Using Obama to support Israel.
Regarding handguns, Reagan stated, "This level of violence must be stopped.
... If the passage of the Brady bill were to result in a reduction of only 10 or
15 percent of those numbers (and it could be a good deal greater), it would be
well worth making it the law of the land."Finally, in 1994,
Reagan successfully threw his support behind the Assault Weapons Ban in a joint
letter to the Boston Globe, saying, "As a longtime gun owner and supporter
of the right to bear arms . I am convinced that the limitations imposed in this
bill are absolutely necessary." The ban on assault weapons had a sunset
provision and lapsed in 2004, and many gun advocates have strongly opposed any
attempts to pass it again, including after the Newtown massacre.
More Associated Press advocacy claiming to be "journalism."This event attracted a whopping total of only 400 people, including zealots
who came from several states. Here in Utah alone we had 3,000 Utahns at the
capitol on a bitterly cold day.Undoubtedly the NYC protesters are
sincere and well intentioned. But, they are terribly misinformed, and easily
seduced by simplistic notions that somehow just one more gun control law will
make criminals obey all laws. They refuse to see, or accept, repeated studies,
including from the Center for Disease Control that all their pet schemes have
been tried, and NONE, repeat NONE, show evidence of making a significant
reduction on criminal acts with guns.Let's focus on solutions
that work- enforcing current laws and locking up criminals and helping the crazy
folks, not fall for the phoney feel-good rhetoric from failed schemes.The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
"If the man at Sandy Hook had a regular gun instead of an assault weapon,
half of those children would be alive," - New York MomUnfortunately, such a statement is simply not true. A semi-automatic hand gun
of the same caliber (at close quarters) is just as deadly as a semi-automatic
rifle. And to those who want to limit clips to no more than 10 rounds ... that
won't make much difference either. Reloading a 7 or 10 round clip into
either a hand gun or rifle takes no more than 2 seconds.It might
feel good for supporters to pass such laws, but in reality it won't change
a thing. Taking such steps, only affects the law abiding citizens of this
country. Criminals will have no compunction in using outlawed weapons to commit