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Published: Monday, Jan. 21 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Miss Piggie
Ogden, UT

@Fred44:
"Regardless of your political persuasion this was a great speech filled with hope and belief in the greatness of America."

This was nothing but political rhetoric. His hop and belief is to turn America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, into the land of socialism and the home of wealth redistribution.

"Is it racism..."

Typical Obama supporter... when you get in a bind play the race card.

"The President has an approval rating around 50%..."

Almost a repeat of Jimmy Carter.

"...the republicans in congress have a single digit approval rating."

Most of which are Democrats.

@Wonder:
"Miss Piggie, you are not telling the truth. You did not have to pay any penalty on your 2012 tax return for not 'signing up' for Obamacare."

Now you tell me. I could-a been watching the ceremony... with a clothespin on my nose.

"Telling lies is a big no no..."

Tell that to the guy who just pledged to uphold the US Constitution.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

I am truly grateful that the President has chosen to be inclusive of many groups in this country - I would not be surprised if Jesus were to do exactly the same thing. If we profess to be true Disciples of Christ, perhaps the President provides us all with a valuable example and lesson.

Y_is_for_Yale
Salt Lake City, UT

If there was any "religious tension" present in today's Inauguration speech, it is the tension created by media sources like the Deseret News.

I think we would all agree that both "religion" and "government" have made worthy contributions to humanity (BTW, the opposite is also true).

Let's not fall in the trap of ostracizing one another about the merits of either. By doing so, we are only carrying out the "tensions" that a particular segment of the media wants to confer upon us.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I, too want religion in my government. I want it to be my religion, however, because yours is kind of flaky. I say that with all due respect, because we both bring the same evidence to the table. That being the case, maybe we're better off to keep religion personal, and out of government.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

This is beyond absurd. Of the myriad real-world pressing challenges we face as nation, conservatives decide that >>who's praying

Wastintime
Los Angeles, CA

Continually looking for reasons to take offense or excuses to justify offense merely hardens hearts and numbs the soul.

Strip away all the labels--Protestant, Catholic, Atheist and the titles--Bishop, Pastor, Priest, President--they are all man's conventions. We will one day stand before God--naked--except for our hearts and souls. It isn't going to matter the labels we used, all that matters is how we treated our brothers and sisters--did we love them as ourselves? Did we love them as God loves us?

Stop using religion as a political tool, before you turn all away from God and goodness.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

@Wastintime

Your words reminded me of the many accounts of Near-Death Experiences I've read over the years.

According to most people who have had those experiences, we're asked to review our lives on "the other side"--not by a harsh,judgmental Ruler ready to cast us into hell, but by a loving Source who wants us to learn from our mistakes.

And there are two emphases to this review:

(1) How much did we try to learn while we were in this life?

(2) How much did we love while we were in this life?

No one was ever asked, "What religion were you while you were in this life?"

barndog48
AMERICAN FORK, UT

Why do we have to pray at every government ceremony and function, if there was less prayin maybe there would be less friction among the good christian folk, I dont think the atheists would say much about who didnt get to pray.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@ Whoa Nellie: If you don't want a government without religion, you are in the wrong country.

Although the Declaration of Independence is one of out founding documents, it is not actually a governing document.

The governing document is the Constitution, and the only mentions of religion it has are to stress that there is not a religious litmus test for a position in government, that individuals have freedom of religion, and it states the date as "Year of Our Lord."

That's it. There is nothing in the Constitution that directly ties the government of the United States to any religion.

OCoug
Ogden, UT

Aaaahhhh healthy debate. One of the things that makes this country great. No problem with who said the prayer, just glad that there was a prayer. For those who say we shouldn't have prayers, what does it matter? If you don't believe in it, no harm, if you do believe in it then you believe it helps this country. Prayer is a right that you don't have to participate in. You are more than free to ignore it, turn on your ipod, etc.

TimBehrend
Auckland NZ, 00

I expect all the Constitutional fundamentalists, knowing that the saintly Founding Men kept religious ceremony separate from the inaugural ritual, will now demand the same. That is, unless their constitutional fundamentalism is no more than rhetoric, or is limited only to the Second Amendment and the implements of violence.

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

Ronald Reagan in one of his sppeches talked about separation of Church and State . It was for the protection Of the Churches from the Goverment. not word for word but the same meaning. I think you can find his speeches of religion on u tube

Wyominguy
Buffalo, WY

I do not like the changes our current leadership represents, its that simple. ( and its my right not to like them) During the election Obama used terms like "we support equality" as though they are the only ones! It just seems to me that Americans are not well represented when the President takes an in your face attitude and that is what I see more often than not from him.

In my opinion the President USES religion, if we look at his past affiliations with a Radical Anti white preacher and then his shift to a more moderate position for the election then his choice of a foul mouthed VP and the use of Disgraced and immoral Bill Clinton during the election...well its clear to me he is a man with zero morals period! So for him to say "So help me God" during his swearing is to me is a mockery of religion and God period.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Hey, Miss Piggy, what was Bush's approval rating when he left office? What was his highest and lowest? Bush came in when the country was doing well, had a 90 percent approval rate, and squandered that down to 25 by the time he left office.

Obama came in when the country was going down the tubes, had a 69 percent approval rate. It went as low as 38, and now he enjoys a 51 percent approval rate, kind of the difference in the vote. Seems to me Obama has had a consistent approval rating, and Bush plunged like a stone in water. 90 to 25, and you're going to bring up that Obama is at 51?

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

George W. had moral issues. Cheney was foul-mouthed. But apparently those guys were okay? Why is that?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Can't remember seeing so much hubbub over a bigger non-issue. But thank you all (a fair number of you at least) for reminding me of the genius of Jefferson and the "wall of separation."

SS
MiddleofNowhere, Utah

@ Mister J,
You don't get Christian principles without a Christian religion.

@Pac_Man,
Again, I point you in the direction of a history book for your answer as to what Christian principles built this country. You can read so many instances where the founding fathers quoted from the bible and used prayer as guidance in making decisions that shaped the future of the young nation. Even the prayer offered today at the inauguration is a tradition that has been handed down from them.

People like to make everything a technicality and use word play to twist what is the truth. This is a Christian nation built on Christian principles, which came from the Christian religion. I will say again, if you don't like it you don't have to accept it, but you have absolutely no right to try and erase that history, nor do you have the right to get rid of it in our current society.

Joggle
Big Island, HI

If a Christian nation had been the intent of the founders, they would have put that in the Constitution, front and center. Yet the text of the Constitution contains no references to God, Jesus Christ, or Christianity. That document does not state that our country is an officially Christian nation. The First Amendment bars all laws “respecting an establishment of religion” and protects “the free exercise thereof.” Nothing here indicates that the latter provision applies only to Christian faiths. The Declaration’s reference to “the Creator” is plainly deistic so no support of Christianity there! Key founders such as James Madison and Thomas Jefferson opposed mixing church and state. The key Founders were not Conservative Christians and likely would not have supported an officially Christian nation. The Christian nation founded on Christian principals is a myth that has many supporters among the religious right, but that doesn’t mean it has validity. History supports that The Constitution is a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to Christianity as a guiding force. SS needs to further his/her reading of history because history doesn't support his/her claim!

LadyMoon
Orlando, FL

Sure, lots of prayers being offered. I have one. I pray this next four years go rapidly before our eyes and pray America gets out of this...alive!

donn
layton, UT

RE: Xscribe,A government without religion is exactly what we need!??
Obedience to God’s word(The Bible) is the only way you l have protection from this: In 2011 Planned Parenthood performed abortion every 94 seconds.
(A)First abortion (B)then Homosexual marriage, (C) Is paedophilia next on the Liberal agenda ?
In 1976 the(liberal) National Council for Civil Liberties, the respectable (and responsible) pressure group now known as Liberty, made a submission to parliament's criminal law revision committee. It caused barely a ripple. "Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult," it read, "result in no identifiable damage … The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage

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