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Letter: Efforts to control guns may have adverse results

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  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    @mike
    So since Obama is suppose to remove these unreasonable limits set by our government on age restrictions then you will surely not complain about his removing such restrictions on drinking age and children seeking abortions right and of course you supported his decision to try to repeal DOMA since he felt it is unconstitutional.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:37 p.m.

    I remember too Pagan, welcome back. The conservatives are already a minority on their own newspaper but every bit of reason helps.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    LDS Liberal.

    Why thank you!

    I am always amazed anyone even remembers me and my rants. lol.

    Sorry I have been away.

    I have been busy getting Obama re-elected.

    And today, you can see on the news was his second inauguration.

    We, can make a difference.

    We, can make the world better for our friends and our children.

    Yes we can.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    20 dead children are not a fear tactic.

    It is an unfortunate reality.

    Columbine had armed security.

    Ft. Hood had an armed response.

    Gabriel Giffords had armed security and I believe three armed men around her when she was shot in the head.

    Result? More dead Americans.

    Don't misundersand, I am not using fear to create havok.

    I am using facts to help people realize. That they should be concerned that this is the reality we face.

    And help protect, lives.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Tolstoy,

    Your post to J Thompson should be answered by everyone who loves America.

    Obama is the President. Yesterday (Sunday) he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. Today (Monday) he repeated that ceremony in public for all to see. That oath requires that he set "right" all Constitutional wrongs committed by himself or by other Presidents who signed unconstitutional bills into law. He is totally and unilaterally responsible to see that nothing done by the Federal Government violates the enumerated duties assigned to that level of government by the people via the Constitution.

    He will not do his duty. He mocks the Constitution with his policies and the laws that he signs. He mocks us by refusing to discharge the duties of his office.

    No one from the LDS Church's leadership sits on the MPAA board. According to their website, parents sit on that board to rate movies. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I sustain my leaders and abide by their council to not watch R rated movies and to use judgement on everything that I do.

    Prophets speak for God. Are you listening to them?

  • Copy Cat Murray, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Pagan

    "40 elementary students are going to be gunned down by assault rifles instead of 20?

    Fear tactics serve no one."

    Since this is a classic example of fear tactics, I find the whole statement hypocritical.

    Fear tactics are used because they serve one groups agenda, just as your fear tactics serve your agenda.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Pagan
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Agreed.
    Great comment!

    BTW - Welcome back.
    You've been missed my friend.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 12:20 a.m.

    Adverse effects?

    What?

    40 elementary students are going to be gunned down by assault rifles instead of 20?

    Fear tactics serve no one.

    Just ask our dead troops in Iraq.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    A lot of you have tried to put words in my mouth.

    I merely pointed out the irony of giving an 18 year old an assault weapon, which many in society want banned, while denying the same 18 year old the right to own a handgun, which is otherwise legal in society.

    I don't think we should send children to fight our wars, so the age of adulthood should be the minimum age of military combat service. Is that 18, or 21, or something else? I won't say, but I think adulthood age should be consistent.

    I have said nothing of alcohol, until now. I will say just this, and no more.

    I believe that guns and alcohol should never be used together. Like drinking and driving, they are a deadly mix.

    Screwdriver - "You notice women are not rushing out in droves to buy guns?"
    Actually I have noticed the opposite.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    @j thomas
    except the age limit was set long before Obama and has nothing to do with him, but since we are discussing allowing parent to raise their own children does that mean you will drop your push to impose your religious views on what movies my child sees, what games they play, what books they read, stay out of their bedroom and mine, on and on?

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    @ Christian 24-7: 18 year olds cannot drink alcohol. Do you also think that should be changed?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    I don't believe the letter in the first place but if it were true then you Sir are as irrational as a person can be.

    You notice women are not rushing out in droves to buy guns?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 20, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    "California, which has a 15-day waiting period that I supported and signed into law while Governor, stopped nearly 1,800 prohibited handgun sales in 1989."

    Oh Mr Reagan. Why do you hate freedom? Why do you disregard the constitution?
    Why did you support the Brady Bill? Don't you love America?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    Read the Constitution. Obama blatently has usurped authority. "Shall not be infringed" does not include an age limit. That age was left up to the parents because, as the Court has told us, all levels of government are subject to the 2nd Amendment.

    What a concept, that parents have the responsibility to raise their children, to teach their children, and to prepare their children to become adults. Part of that preparation might include keeping and bearing arms.

    Who is the President to think that he has authority to throw out a guaranteed right that the people have put into the Constitution and that 75% of the States ratified as being binding on the government?

    There is no Consitutional amendment that specifies the age required for gun ownership; therefore, there can be no age requirement from government.

    We allow an 18 year old to vote. We concider an 18 year old to be an adult. Why then would some people tell us that 18 year olds are too young to be responsible with firearms?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    Christian 24-7
    Murray, UT
    If it is true, it seems ironic that an 18 year old can be in the military, issued a military style assault weapon to defend his country, be subjected to the ugliness of war, and be expected to be an adult through it all, but he cannot legally own a handgun.

    See how unreasonable gun laws get?

    11:57 a.m. Jan. 20, 2013

    ===============

    That was the reason for the 26th ammendment.
    18-21 year olds could fight and die, but couldn't vote.

    At the time, we still had a mandatory enlistment, and draft.

    Are you proposing a mandatory military enlistment and draft --
    [like Switzerland and Israel -- the examples you gun proponents keep using?]

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    There's an old saying...

    The nuts don't fall very far from their trees.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    I've thought the same thing. A right on paper, but not in the hearts of people isn't very likely to survive attack. Less Americans hunt now than in decades past and this as been a concern to people who believe in the 2nd Ammendment. Now it seems many Americans choose to have guns, not for hunting but for personal defense and defense of their homes and families.

    President Obama's attack on gun rights is causing many people who have been marginally pro gun to actually go out and buy one. If we survive this, this will have been a blessing in disguise.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    @Christian 24-7: "It seems ironic that an 18 year old can be in the military, issued a military style assault weapon to defend his country, be subjected to the ugliness of war, and be expected to be an adult through it all, but he cannot legally hold a beer in his hand."

    See how unreasonable moral laws get?

    I'm sure you would argue that "Regulation" in this case is a reasonable thing though?

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    If it is true, it seems ironic that an 18 year old can be in the military, issued a military style assault weapon to defend his country, be subjected to the ugliness of war, and be expected to be an adult through it all, but he cannot legally own a handgun.

    See how unreasonable gun laws get?

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Perhaps your grandson needs a wise parent or grandparent to counsel him against making irrational fear-based purchases. It's too bad if there is not one available (doing the job) because 18 year-olds, if left to their own devices, can make regrettable decisions

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    You probably didn't expect it but your letter is thee perfect reason why we need to adopt the President's reforms.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Is the problem the proposed gun restrictions, or should we be looking at the irrational way people are reacting?

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Oh, yes, it's the president's fault!

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    I see. It's President Obama's fault that his proposal to limit assault rifles and high capacity magazines caused your grandson to make an irrational and unintelligent decision to buy a handgun and taser when he has no need for either. I'd say his decision is more likely influenced by parenting than the President. So much for conservatives believing in personal responsibility, eh?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Those kids must be hearing someone fanatically rage against the government and encouraged to get gun crazy too.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    If there is fear, it wasn't Obama that put it out there. It's the NRA gun nuts that put out the proposition that the only real deterant for a "bad guy" with a gun is a "good guy" with a gun. Why would they say that? Could it be that they want to sell more guns? The message from Obama and others, is that assault wseapons are inherently "dangerous and unusual" (Scalia in Heller) But this letter writer just wants to blame the messenger. It is a classic example of blame transference.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    His has to be the most ridiculous pro-gun argument ever. You really think it is Obama spreading the fear? Have you checked out AM radio recently? The amount of frothing and foaming from the gun lobby is over the top.

    Most Americans favor reasonable gun legislation and no "jack booted thugs" will be by to confiscate anyones firearms.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 5:34 a.m.

    Your grandson has broken the law, because the legal age for handgun ownership is 21.

    If your grandson did in fact buy a handgun, then he did not do it with a criminal background check, which is precisely what we're talking about with the proposed law to require all firearms sales to involve such checks.