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Published: Sunday, Jan. 20 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

The capacity for irrational melodrama among conservatives is apparently limitless.

Look, your liberty is no more threatened by the exceptionally mild and sensible firearms regulations currently proposed than they are when someone tells you that you can't walk around a shopping mall with hand grenades on your belt.

Could you guys _please_ step away from your knee-jerk rhetoric about Obama long enough for a grown-up conversation about America's staggering gun violence problem?

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Spencer, you make an eloquent argument for eliminating all laws: if we have no law, then there will be no crime. Eloquent, but wrong. If we want civilization instead of anarchy, there must be laws. The challenge is to enact and enforce wise laws. Law, like truth, will make you free. Reasonable regulation of the possession and use of dangerous instruments does not infringe liberty; it enables and enhances it.

Learn a lesson from Korihor, who preached, falsely, that "whatsoever a man did was no crime."

micawber
Centerville, UT

Mr. Smith expresses a pretty cynical view. Does he really think we would have fewer murders and robberies if there were no laws against them? Some people disobey the law, but many obey.

And I don't think it is wise to look to the Star Wars movies (especially Episode III), for political philosophy.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Yes, show us how wise you are by quoting a Star Wars movie as if it were something profound...

Republicans propose and try to get laws passed all the time, but I'm guessing that doesn't bother you that much, right?

I've said it before and I'll probably say it again, but Obama won. Time to get over it.

ECR
Burke, VA

I think one of the biggest problems in our culture is when people look to Star Wars or other such entertainment for their wisdom. Heaven help us.

One of the reasons we have more laws is because people choose to willfully disregard the rights of others. I recall a conversation with some workmates where one fellow was trumpeting the intentions of a local developer who wanted to build houses but would prohibit lawyers from purchasing any of them. All the lawyer haters in the grouped yukked it up for a while but then we discussed the fact that the local, state or federal legislators would eventually find it necessary to pass a law prohibiting the exclusion of lawyers, or any other group, from purchasing property or there would be a civil rights case taking up time on the Supreme Court's docket addressing this silly problem simply because someone wanted to deny someone else of their civil rights.

If you want make a change in the world, take a look in the mirror and start with your own behavior.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Lets get rid of all laws then since people will always break them.

And yes, the presidents new moderate reforms was definitely comparable to the emperor dissolving the government in Star Wars 3.

My only question is, where was this letter writer when Bush passed the Patriot Act or invaded Iraq? Oh yeah, just remembered, too busy applauding.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Violence escalates with too many assault weapons and large capacity magazines good for only mass murder or playing Rambo at the range.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

And we need to close the Patent Office, everything has already been invented.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Ok..... so let me follow this logic. The keep from having people break laws.... we should get rid of lows. From the first chapters of the bible, there were laws, and just as quick they were broken.... and there were consequences. The notion that the lack of laws will create a more law abiding civilization baffles logic. Are we to expect so little of each other that we choose to lower the moral bar in society so less people are in violation of moral principles?

In a perfect world, where you live all by yourself, and your actions impact no one but yourself, then yes, laws are needless. But that isn't the world we live in. Like it or not, nearly every action you take impacts another. Your liberty doesn't get to trump someone else' liberty. That is why we have laws.

Just yesterday, 5 people were hurt at gun shows, because people didn't obey basic safety laws about transporting loaded weapons. Eliminating these laws would not have would not have improved safety. But those who choose to obey those laws did prevent other needless accidents from happening.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Spencer Smith says "We currently have laws against murder, robbery, fraud, assault, abuse, speeding and countless other issues, and not one of these has prevented people from breaking the law."

God's first commandment is "Thou shall not kill", yet man does this every hour. By your logic, should we toss out the Bible?

The purpose of commandments and laws is to set the line of punishment. You are not shackled. You have free will. You can choose to cross the line and be punished.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

He didn't even quote from a good Star Wars movie.

I'm starting to think that the Deseret News actually supports gun control, because there have been an awful lot of really uninformed and irrational pro-gun letters published here recently. When gun advocates wax paranoid about restrictions the President isn't even calling for, they do their cause a great disservice.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

You know, I thought of that same line when the patriot act was introduced. I don't think too much of anyones' freedom is being lost to the proposed gun restriction measures. I applaud the president for having the courage to even attempt it. And I fear for a future where people are so reactionary that nothing can get done, big or small.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Of course --

Stupid, trival, and non-sensical laws restricting - say,
"Walking and Chewing Gum"
never come up on this guys radar.

Only laws guns restricitng the high capacity weapons used to mow down massive groups of unarmed citizens.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

While we're quoting Star Wars, let me have a shot!

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

- Yoda

Peter Coyotl
West Jordan, UT

No one is coming to take away your guns. Some people seem to live for the drama.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Spencer;

Liberty died when states began putting the rights of certain Americans up to a popular vote. You can't complain about "liberty dying" when you participate in killing it yourself.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh please... the only reason you would have to fear a background check with gun show purchases is if you're someone who would fail a background check and have been exploiting a loophole.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Emajor
"I'm starting to think that the Deseret News actually supports gun control"

Actually maybe they do to some extent, they are owned by a church that doesn't allow guns in meetinghouses and at their college campuses.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Eliminating all laws would require LAWMAKERS to make a law to eliminate the others. Too bad.

What did you expect lawmakers to do? Make baskets?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

2013

You still have your guns.

The claim continues to be proven a lie.

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