Is this a surprise? He did the same thing with Washington and Coach Sarkisian a
few years back.
Indecisiveness is a great quality in a good coach...NOT!! I can see someone
doing this once....maybe. But twice? He better hope that Coach Whit stays on
for a very long tenure and that ARod does not overstay his welcome or that Kyle
will take him elsewhere if and when he leaves. I think Aaron has forever shut
the door on any other offers with another quality program. No coach is going to
go out on a limb and offer him a job again. Very foolish move!!! And that is
Roderick is hilarious. I'm dumbfounded. He has no decision making skills.
Maybe that's why he wasn't offered the offensive coordinator position
at Utah after Chow announced his departure. First, he does it to Washington and
now BYU. He's scarred himself for life in trying to get a better position
or a literal move to another institution. Coaches all over the place must be
rolling their eyes. The Utes can keep him. The Cougars need more leaders with
good decision making skills, not someone who is constantly going to go back on
his word. It's better to know what he's like now before preparations
for next season really get into high gear.
This is exactly how I reacted when my employer tendered an attractive
counteroffer when a competitor made their move. Good for him, and best of luck.
And Go, Cougars!
Classic love/hate relationship.Whitingham and the Utes continue to
dis-respect him and he continues to ask for more. Sad.At
least Johnson will have somebody to save him once again.
These quotes are the biggest farce ever. He is a great recruiter and Witt
didn't want to lose that to BYU so he threw more money and maybe more
opportunity at him. Why doesn't everyone quit lying and start telling the
truth. It is all find and dandy if he wants to stay, just say what really
happened. You don't accept a job like this without thinking about it,
praying about it and talking to family. He accepted the job at the Y because it
provided him more, then the U came back with more and so he is staying. Neither
of you have anyone fooled with your fake statements Witt and Roderick. Truth
please, just once.
Got to love being in a BCS conference, with BCS money, BCS athletes, and BCS
Well it appears BYU has dodged a bullet. Based on utah's offensive
performance and the wr's performance up there the last few years I really
don't think BYU was getting much in hiring him.
Our loss is BYU's loss is our gain!
Next time it will be with Wisconsin. Good way to jack up your salary dude!
No doubt that Whittingham increased his pay to stay.
Glad that in the end, A Rod realizes what he's got. Go Utes!
@Mark3054How can it be an understatement when you used three
exclamation points?You don't think Aaron got a raise between
yesterday and today? I disagree that no one will ever offer Aaron a job again.
Coaches know that money talks. They understand that other coaches are looking
out for themselves financially. If Aaron deserves an offer from another school,
he'll get one.I've wondered why Whit was so quiet after
the announcement yesterday. Today's story tells us why.
Who is up for a serving of humble pie? I found the posts of ARod leaving to
leave the U and join the Y funny. Now what will people say...?
Not to mention that at this point, all the Utes who panned him because of all
the dropped passes will now see this as some cosmic sign of miraculous things to
come. In fairness, all the cougs who proclaimed this as one more
evidence that the ship on the hill is taking on water, will somehow contort to
say, "we didn't want him anyway."
Why? Clearly he wasn't happy with where he was at. The only reason he
should have gone back at all is if they fired Brian Johnson and give him the OC
job. Outside of that I don't see how this makes any sense.
K.W. must have gone begging and promised him something... like the OC. It
wouldn't surprise me, B.J. did about as good a job as B.D. at BYU (almost).
Maybe A.R. was just using BYU to get a better deal from K.W. and the U of U.
No, that would be disingenuous from "a man of faith" as B.M. put it.
Look for A.R. to be the OC at the U of U next year.
Thank you Duckhunter for your insightful comments.
Chris B"You can have Roderick. We dont care."Brave Sir Robin"Meh, you can have him. Utah's receivers
took a major step back while on his watch."StGtoSLC"ARod was never one of my favorite coaches."54-IQ"He did a good job recruiting for Utah and did not do as good of a job as
a wide receivers coach. Utah's wide receivers have been average at best and
drops were a huge problem."
Gotta love the first couple of comments that just yesterday were praising
Roderick and welcoming him to byu. Give him credit for following his heart and
realizing he wants to beat byu one more year before the break. Can't blame
him for wanting to remain in the conference of champions and not the conference
Who am I sir?Or as Duckhunter stated (and as has been corroborated
by many of the kids on the hill)...Our gain is your loss!Looking forward to more drops and receivers running the wrong routes.
Should we pass or should we run? Do we punt or do we go for it? Should I play
him or should I play someone else? Should I eat this or eat that?
Welcome back Coach. Still a good recruiter but the receivers were average at
best. Whether that's because of the lack of a quarterback, lack of WR
talent or the coaching, we'll see. At BYU, was the offensive
problems really due to Cahoon and so he needed to go, or was it due to a lack of
a quarterback? We'll see.
@ UtahBruinObviously, Kyle saw value in him and made him a better
offer. However, offer/counteroffer politics should be done BEFORE he goes
public with a decision. That is the gaffe that is being discussed. That is the
poor decision making that is in question. If you believe that another quality
coach and program are going to stick their neck out for him again, you need to
take off your crimson colored glasses. It would be different if this were an
everyday occurrence. But, it isn't. Also, this isn't remotely
similar to doing the same thing with an employer where no one but you and the
prospective employer know what happened. This was a public blunder of enormous
magnitude for a coach. I like ARod and hope he has a long career with Utah
and/or Coach Whit. He will not have another opportunity to land an equal
position elsewhere and that is a fact.
Hilarious. Maybe Coach Wit bought him a house with his millions.
@wookieDon't mention it. here's my comment from the
aeticle yesterday announcing he was taking a job at BYU."I
actually have to agree with 54-10, utah's wr's have been pretty bad
the last several years and Roderick was thier coach. I hope he is capable of
doing a better job at BYU."Then this one this morning."That said I think Cahoon has done a pretty good job with the wr's
whereas A-Rod has not turned out much at utah."In otherwords
wookie I'm pretty happy about this.
Tell me when the music stops. I feel like someone is playing musical chairs.
Best to both teams and coaches. Whoever they are.
Did Kyle really offer A-Rod the OC if BJ falls on his face again? Kyle offered
A-Rod a bigger pile of cash and a bunch of pie-crust promises and Aaron sadly
bought it. Don't understand why Aaron decided to stay in an abusive
relationship, but he's created his own mess, and now he'll have to
deal with it.
Y's little brothershush, the kids on the hill are busy
Dave SGotta love the hypocrisy of Utah fans welcoming Roderick back
with open arms and calling out BYU fans for singing his praises, after Utah fans
spent the last 24 hours trashing Roderick.
Yesterday he was a dog, today he's utahs dog again!
*golf clap* Y's Little Brother.You copy pasted Ute fans posts,
none of them however have gone back to say "Yay, we kept him!"Chris B. trollin you as usual.Unlike all of the BYU fans now
judging his character and that he will never get a job anywhere else, and bla
bla bla. A lot of you had very different comments in the other thread saying hes
leaving a sinking ship to go to a better program. Now you say "Oh,
pffft!" "We don't want him any way!"Please.
@AZ Blue & RedI might have written "whomever" instead of
"whoever"...However, your comment is by far the best one of
the bunch!Thank You!
A-Rod was just toying with you Cougar fans. Mission accomplished.
@Mark3504I am not quite sure you even read my statement while
calling me out. Crimson colored glasses? I am not even a Utah fan, can't
stand the "U" because of it's fans, like ChrisB. Thanks though for
re-wording my post, I said exactly the same thing you did. I am not even a
"Y" fan either so if you were drinking your blue Kool-Aid while posting,
I can understand the mishap. Maybe.@ChrisB"BCS
Conference, Money, Athletes, etc."Conference - YesMoney - YesAthletes - No not really, you get the second class
PAC-10 athletes. Yes I said PAC-10, Utah and Colorado still don't count
and never will.U and Colorado are nothing more than a red headed
step child for the PAC-10. See your school color fits. U will never be more
than Washington State or Colorado in the PAC-10, you will never steal recruits
from USC, UCLA, Stanford, CAL, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State or
even Oregon State. Football, Baseball, Basketball, even Red Rock Gymnastics
will never win anything in the PAC-10. Flat out U are not good enough and never
If A-Rod can flip-flop, why can't BYU bring back Cahoon, the all-time
professional receiver with the most catches in the history of earth! Hopefully,
he hasn't signed on with da Bears yet..
I guess his "online girlfriend" or "avatar" who used to live in
Seattle near U Dub (remember, she's the one who had something tragically
happen to her a couple of years ago) has moved to Orem. So now this has caused
A-Rod to re-think his plans again so he won't be transferring to the school
down south. Anybody checked the horoscopes . . .its a weird day in college
football, to say the least.
I find the comments suggesting somehow that a "receivers coach," or any
coach for that matter is somehow responsible for a receiver dropping balls or
etc. to be too funny and very naive. The coaches can only give players a chance
to succeed. As for Ute receivers dropping balls last year...I don't
believe they dropped any more than the receivers at the Y. Granted, while BJ
needs a lot of growth as OC, Utah's lack of offensive productivity was more
on their poor offensive line play than anything else.
Aaron Roderick?......Who Dat?
UteanymousGotta love the hypocrisy of Utah fans welcoming Roderick
back with open arms and calling out BYU fans for singing his praises, after Utah
fans spent the last 24 hours trashing Roderick.-------------Unlike Anae, ARod never left. You just had an "imaginary" new
coach.ARod was passed over for the OC job for a reason, but that
doesn't imply he can't coach at another position or recruit.
Derek_"You copy pasted Ute fans posts, none of them however have
gone back to say "Yay, we kept him!"No need to. We all know
that every Utah fan who trashed Roderick in the last day, will soon be making
wild predictions about how much improved Utah's offense is going to be next
season.Of course, if the Utes suffer a repeat performance or two of
last season, Whittingham and his entire staff could be leaving in the near
RBN"A-Rod was just toying with you Cougar fans."Did you ever consider that if A-Rod is as bad a receivers coach as some Utah
fans were saying, that A-Rod might be toying with U? At the very least, A-Rod
got a hefty raise and a bunch of empty promises from Whittingham.
I guess he enjoys getting dumped on by the Utes. He becomes the OC and then is
dropped back when Norm comes. When Norm leaves he gets skipped over by an
inexperienced Brian Johnson. Whittingham treats him so well, why would he ever
Funny when A-Rod was going to BYU. BYU fans loved him and Utah fans said it was
no loss. Now Byu fans are saying they dodged a bullet ect.... and Utah fans are
saying what a great coach that got back. lol As for me I wish BYU had him and I
hope he does well where ever.
@Chris B - "Got to love being in a BCS conference, with BCS money, BCS
athletes, and BCS quality coaches!"You forgot something . . .
"U got to love finishing 2nd to last in football (South), last in basketball
(men's and women's), and last in baseball." Wow, it
must be great to be a Ute.
Christy BYeah that BCS conference thing is going really well for
Basketball too right? (crickets)
You all need to know how seriously Utah takes losing "Anything" to
BYU.This is all they have. As Bottomfeeders of the Pac, it is all
they will ever have.It's happened many times, when Utah's
pride is bruised, Spencer Eccles writes a check.The U has so long
lived in the shadow of BYU and are so insecure, that they'll break the bank
for a 2nd rate assistant coach.Utah pays all their coaches (all
programs) 8+ million dollars a year.BYU pays their coaches only 4+ million
a year.Roderick was making 200k a year as a position
coach....Position Coach!It's easy to see why Utah's
athletic program operates at a loss while BYU's does not.He got a
salary boost to be sure. This followed the same scenario as when
Whitt committed to BYU then Eccles came in to save the bruised egos.If you've never been to the U's campus, Eccles name is on about 15
buildings.From a bridge to a fieldhouse to tennis courts to the stadium,
I've never seen anything like it.Eccles pulls out all
stops...even for a 2nd rate Assistant Caoch.Absolutely Hilariuous!
Uteology"Unlike Anae, ARod never left."Who are
you kidding? He accepted a job offer at another university and even
made statements to the press to confirm his acceptance. Just like Boise State
and SDSU accepted conference membership offers from the Big East. Boise State
paid a hefty exit fee for "leaving" the Big East. SDSU was just accepted
"back" to the MWC by a majority vote of the MWC schools. Yet both
schools are still competing in the MWC. The brevity of time between A-Rod's
departure from and return to Utah is inconsequential and doesn't change the
fact that A-Rod left Utah.The bigger problem A-Rod created for
himself is after reneging on two schools, it's highly unlikely that a third
school would even consider risking being fooled again.Fool me once,
shame on U. Fool me twice, shame on me.A-Rod has certainly burned
his bridges with Washington and BYU.Not a smart move to burn your
bridges in coaching profession. That can come back to haunt you.See
John L. Smith.
CougFaninTX, LindonManDon't bother christy and her friends with
trivial things like winning. As long as they're collecting gobs of money,
they're content.It would be interesting to see how much of a
share of the loot christy gets.
No matter where he ends up, his indecisiveness is certainly something that has
been hi-lighted by this fiasco. Best of luck to him, but he's certainly
burning bridges, on both sides...
Its fine if he want to stay, its his life, but Ute Bruin, you do not know what
happened either, so don't act like you do. @ Christina B; it has to kill
you to know that Utes go to BYU players and coaches to get the job done. Its
where the foundation to excellence is started and the Utes want some of it.
Utah welcomes its newest coach to Salt Lake City.In other news:Utah announces a slight increase in student fees to help pay for needed
improvements in Utah's football program.
According to a previous post from Chris B, it must be because he didn't
want to shave his face. He just used a promotion of sorts and more money in the
pay envelope and the wailing of players that didn't want to adjust to a new
coacjh as excuses to stay with U.
He's thinking that with the sorry state of the Utes football program
lately, he'll be considered a replacement for Wittingham after one more
Translation of reason Roderick gave for staying at Utah: "Utah offerred
more $'s than BYU was willing to pay."
Bad track record to do this same stunt twice. Sarkisian wouldn't give him
another chance after Roderick did this same thing to Washington, nor would
anyone at BYU. I can't think of a lot of head coaches elsewhere who would
even consider someone with this type of history.It says something
about the character of the coaches at Utah that they will accept other offers,
go public with the acceptance, and only then realize how much being a Ute really
means to them. Do you have to be reconverted twice?
I can understand the emotional ties an ex-player/coach has with his alma mater.
Bottom line: Utah plays in a major conference with better players
and more money. The only time a position coach from a BCS conference should
consider a move to a mid-major program is to be a Head Coach, OC or DC.
Don't lose sight of the fact that byu is a mid-major program.I'm sure that Roderick will have opportunities in the future. He
certainly made the best decision to stay at the U.
Are we really having a conversation of Erin Roderick?
I know Utah had problems with "false starts" this season, but this one
takes the cake!
Ah, coaches are a fickled bunch.
@MidMajorUte-Again, the BCS is dead.-Utah rides others
Coat-tails for relevancy.-Utah is settling in nicely as the Pac
Bottomfeeder...All Sports and Academically.And, Utah is not even a
mid-major within their own conference.Please let us know when Utah
wins a Conference Championship, in any sport.
We don't need a guy that can't make a commitment. Let him stay with
the Utes and win zero games in Pac12 next year.
Re: BlutoLet me know when BYU wins their next conference
championship in football.
Through it all, a single fact remains. A guy is given a choice, and after a
small struggle, he still makes the right choice--a better choice.Love it.
Mount Olympus"Let me know when BYU wins their next conference
championship in football."It's a good bet that BYU will win
more than one conference championship in football before Utah wins their
next.It could be decades before a conference bottom dweller,
that's only won about one conference championship a decade during their
WAC/MWC era, wins their first PAC 10.2 championship.
A person is no better than their word. At the U, keep your word is optional.
Consider the following:Urbay Meyer - Happy at Utah and was staying
around. Then left for Florida.Kyle Whittingham - Committed to BYU and
changed his mind.Aaron Roderick - Changed his mind at Washington and
BYU.Gary Andersen - Very happy at Utah State and then suddenly Wisconsin
offered more.Enough said!If their lips are moving, they
@ Duckhunter...Can we be Ute/BYU DNews Message Board friends?
Playin the Utes for a little more $$$$$$.
Silly jealous cougar fans. Pac12,Rose bowl,BCS,Pac12 money! Go Utes!
Oh brother.....I enjoyed the rivalry ....but this is hilarious!
@ Runner"Classic love/hate relationship.Whitingham and the
Utes continue to dis-respect him and he continues to ask for more. Sad".What about Bronco? There is a classic love/hate
relationship between him and Anae. Bronco pretty much told Anae to resign and
look for another job after the Utah LOSS in 2010. Also the BYU fans wanted his
head after that loss due to "bad play calling". Now rehiring Anae,
he's just asking for more. That's sad!
You Utah fans crack me up. First you are happy to see him go and now you are
happy to have him back. I guess when you have had a roller coaster few years as
a Utah fan you take what scraps you can get. LOL
Correction...this USED TO BE a heated rivalry. Now it's just another game.
Who cares. I want decisiveness. This isn't it. I wish Utah well, after
all, the coaching staff was trained in Provo. But obviously, the programs are
heading in their own quests for success. Good for them. This is no big deal.
What is not mentioned is the pay bump the U likely gave him. All for the
players! Not likely.
@wookieI thought we already were?
ekute"Pac12,Rose bowl,BCS,Pac12 money!"U can
forget Rose Bowls and BCS access games. It could be years before the Utes even
beat a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record. Anybody can provide a warm body to
give a conference the necessary 12 teams to hold a championship.
Friends it is then :)
MidMajor4everDon't lose sight of the fact that Utah is a
mid-major program masquerading as a big boy. Being a whipping boy
for the real big boys of the conference, doesn't make U special, it simply
makes you a leech, feeding off of the accomplishments of other programs because
you have no accomplishments of your own.There was a time when the
Utes took pride in their own banners and flags. Now all we hear and see are PAC
12 banners and flags.Pathetic!
Utah is a more prestigious institution. However, another 5-7 season, coach Witt
won't be at the U any longer. Neither will Roderick. And now that he has
turned town 3 other FBS programs, including his alma mater, the best that A-Rod
may get is joining John L. Smith at Ft. Whatchumccallit State in Oregon.Loyalty does not pay the bills.BYU is better off without
ThomasJeffersonWELLSVILLE, UTIt's really pretty simple!
Mediocrity in the PAC 12 or excellence at BYU as an Indy. Some people as Jack
said, "can't handle the pressure." After only one day of being in
an environment of excellence, he retreated to the U1___________________BYU lost to Utah again.6-10 all time
against San Jose St. Lost to them on national TV this past season.The USU
bowl game got a higher TV rating than the Poinsettia Bowl.BYU was 7-5 this
past season.Environment of excellence indeed. LOL!!!
@Mt. OlympusBYU has been there and done that.23 Conference
Championships, that is.Utah has not.Sorry lads, Utah is as
irrelevant as they come, all sports and academically.
WACpaddled"6-10 all time against San Jose St. Lost to them on
national TV this past season."LOL at your pathetic attempts to
minimize BYU.San Jose State was a Top 25 team, while you're
pathetic Utes didn't qualify for a bowl and got lucky on a fluke scoop and
score to beat BYU.BYU was 8-5, beat Top 25 Utah State, and finished
#26 in the final Sagarin ratings.Utah was 5-7 this season and finished #61
in the final Sagarin ratings.Utah's record since joining the
PAC 10.2: 13-12BYU's record since going Independent: 18-8And don't whine about it being all based on schedule. Utah couldn't
even beat Colorado last nor Utah State this year.
Clearly, he is a very good coach with Washington, BYU, Wisconsin, Hawaii, and
Utah all wanting him. Sure, leaving a good job in a place you like would be
tough. The fact that he has found it tough to do so doesn't mean he is not
a good coach. With all of those schools wanting him, well, that speaks for
itself. It is hilarious reading how BYU fans didn't really want him anyway.
Grow up everybody.
@ Chris B:"Got to love being in a BCS conference, with BCS
money, BCS athletes, and BCS quality coaches!"Really?As an ASU Alum, I can appreciate UtahBruin's perspective (as a Pac-10
Alum - I'm giving credit for a UCLA degree here, so if not, my bad...) that
Utah has not earned credit in the PAC and doesn't look to in the near
future. It's a bit different now that the U has what it wanted - a seat at
the BCS table, as it were. Looks more and more like the U has been relegated to
the "child's table" at the BCS party...Utah Fans, lay
off the rhetoric (at least until you're relevant in the PAC) and focus on
becoming competitive in the PAC. There's very little "street cred"
in your words until you prove that you belong in the PAC discussion. Start
winning games and contend for a PAC South title, and then you can beat your
chest and throw around the "BCS" smack.I'd like to see
the U become more relevant in the PAC - but until it does, enough with the BCS
talk - it just makes you look pathetic...
This is all so familiar. Remember when Whit was the first choice of BYU to coach
the Cougars and he shook hands on the deal only to renege before a contract was
signed. Birds of feather. Good that he got his mind
right before he actually went to work.
@werCry me a river.
ummmm....3inarowthat is all.
Derek_, my sentiments exactly! Roderick is a nice guy, so I won't stoop to
the level of the bitter here in any personal criticisms. But as a coach,
he's still very average, and decent (I think currently 4th or 5th best on
the staff) as a recruiter. I'm happy for his being happy to stay, and say
may round three be more successful in coaching, coordinating and player
development than the previous two.
So do we believe what he said today or what he said yesterday?
Hmmm, interesting. Really, if his heart is at the U, then stay there. Similar
to recruiting, it seems that many schools increase their interest in
players/coaches proportional to their rival.
Having hired a couple hundred people in my life this is a sign of character and
BYU is just fine not having him. I have had this happen and it is pretty low
class. I will never know though strongly suspect this was all about negotiating
a better salary. About five years ago, the last time this happened to me, the
"former" employee called up and thanked in for the job, yada, yada, yada
then acknowledged that he got a payraise and this offer helped him with that
payraise.The problem with this, on my side of the ledger, I had gone
through a several month process, narrowed it down to a handful of highly
qualified candidates, did interviews then finally made the choice. In making
that choice I place a couple other highly qualified candidates on the
backburner. Do you think these other candidates were happy to suspect they were
second choice? Nope, and the process of hiring starts over again.What this young man did was very immature. In any case, his abilities as a
coach aside, I've seen this before and have a very low opinion of the
matter. He harms others for his own benefit.
mr. jummmm....finishing behind BYU 5 of the 8 years during the
Bronco/Kyle era in record and rankingthat is what it's all about.
So he changed his mind again. He just needs to stay at Utah, until they fire
Whitingham, which is coming, because they will not have anymore winning seasons
at Utah with him. This team last year was supposed to be a contender and look
what happened. As for these comments about wanting to be in the conference of
champions, when was the last time a Pac 12 school won the national title? USC a
long time ago, and that championship was vacated. so I guess you Utes fans can
say conference of champions all you want, but the championships the PAC 12 wins
are in sports the Utes are either really bad at or do not even have. And about
BYU being in obscurity, how about being on National tv in all but two games,
which a lot more than Utah is on National tv. I am actually more disappointed
about Cahoon being let go than I am of Roderick changing his mind again.
Word on the street is that in reality it was an imaginary offer, and Roderick
was simply the victim of a prank.
"There were some positives but ultimately I just really believed in our
program. I believe in coach (Kyle) Whittingham and what we're doing in the
Pac-12."For the record, what they are doing is losing. He may be excited about where they are going in the future, but what they are
doing now is losing. That said, BYU isn't doing any better. Neither teams
has much to be excited about if they want to be a top program. Both programs are
good at being decent, but not good enough. And I say this as a BYU
I'm fine with him staying at the U. What bothers me is that he interviewed
for the BYU job, accepted it, BYU coaches told other applicants/interviewees
that they were not hired. The announcement was made that Roderick was coming to
BYU, then he decided to stay at the U. I had the opportunity to do that for a
job, but chose not to accept the offer because it wasn't fair to other
applicants. That's the right thing to do. Make up your mind before you say
yes to an offer.
Wow, it's great to see this guy is really solid and has great
decision-making skills. I'd rely on his word for anything.......NOT!
It is time to give him the OC job. Whit needs to make some moves here. Being a
avid Utah fan, I have alot of respect for Bronco and his ability to make changes
when they are needed not when it is to late. Get on board Whit, Johnson is not
going to take us to the Rose Bowl.
Re: BlutoI'll take our irrelevance as you call it and winning
8 of the last 11 vs. your been there and done that team as well as two unefeated
seasons and BCS wins in the past 10. Doesn't sound much like irrelevance
Good luck, Aaron. You're a Utah lifer now, IMO. Kyle could have done the
right thing and mentored you about burning bridges (best case) and commmitting
coaching suicide (worst case). Whittingham looks out for the interests of only
one person in this situation, unfortunately. Imagine the
embarrassment of possibly losing a coach to the lowly Cougars. He must have lost
at least one night of sleep. Definitely a lil' brother attitude of at the
U.Keep your eye on the Y.Go BYU!
Dave SCan you cite one significant Utah accomplishment since
2008?The truth is, Utah football has been in steady decline since
the Sugar Bowl and the Utes haven't done anything of note since joining the
PAC 10.2.2008 13-0 #2/#42009 10-3 #18/#182010 10-3
ur/#232011 8-5 unranked2012 5-7 no bowlThe trend is
obvious, even if our crimson-glasses wearing friends on the hill are too blind
to see it.After your two brief shining moments in the national
spotlight (2004 and 2008), Utah is quickly fading back into irrelevance on the
national stage, in fact, Utah isn't even relevant in their own conference.
Whatever! Changing one's mind is fine but in such a high profile profession
this is an example of what not to do. Usually money makes a decision easier or
changes our mind, but this episode and the explanations given in the article
sounds like a case of indecision going on for several years. Good luck with
whatever you decide Mr. Roderick. Career choices based on the feelings and
emotions of other people are usually poor choices.
Obviously Roderick didn't read ute fan commnets in the des news. Now after
a day of "Meh" and "he's not that good", he's suddenly
a BCS coach. Sorry ute fans, proof of your hypocrisy is in the
Re: SportsfanJealousy is a terrible thing. Enjoy life in your
plastic Utah County bubble.
With all of the stories about Lance Armstrong and Manti Teo, it is hard to take
someone for their word. I was excited to see him come back to BYU.
That said, I don't know much about Cahoon or the job he did and why his
contract was not renewed. I thought the experience of A-Rod would be a good
thing for BYU. Overall, I thought, 1-The guy can't make a
decision which is an indication that he may never move up;2-He was offered
more cash to stay at the U; 3-or as it was said, it just did not feel
right. I am ok with that, but why did he say yes to BYU in the first place. It
just makes him look indecisive (refer to No. 1).As far as new
coaches go, I am rooting for Lance Armstrong who is an LB coach and admissions
liason at Stanford. He was the de-facto recruiting coordinator, brought in the
best class in Stanford history and then was promptly not giving the job (giving
to Mike Sanford Jr), after winning a national recruiting award. I think Lance is
an Andy Reid type of coach.
Dave SJealous of what?It's laughable that a
perennial conference bottom dweller would even think that they have something
others would be jealous of.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahWACpaddled"6-10 all time
against San Jose St. Lost to them on national TV this past season."LOL at your pathetic attempts to minimize BYU.San Jose State was a
Top 25 team, while you're pathetic Utes didn't qualify for a bowl and
got lucky on a fluke scoop and score to beat BYU.BYU was 8-5, beat
Top 25 Utah State, and finished #26 in the final Sagarin ratings.Utah was
5-7 this season and finished #61 in the final Sagarin ratings.Utah's record since joining the PAC 10.2: 13-12BYU's record
since going Independent: 18-8And don't whine about it being all
based on schedule. Utah couldn't even beat Colorado last nor Utah State
this year.>>>>BYU and several of its
fans are grandizing the football program over minimal accomplishments.The
fact still remains the our Cougs built up wins over average WAC teams. Is that
anything to be proud of? Our win-loss against ranked teams the past few years is
awful.I wish fellow BYU fans would stop this nonsense.
NO conference championships for U"BYU and several of its fans
are grandizing the football program over minimal accomplishments."Minimal accomplishments are still better than NO accomplishments.8-5 winning season, bowl win, Top 25 win > 5-7 losing season, no bowl, no
significant winsUpsets happen and the fact remains that Utah simply
wasn't very good and your vain attempts to minimimze BYU simply minimize
your lone accomplishment for 2012.
Edit -I do not want Lance Armstrong to coach at BYU, how about Lance Anderson
who is a coach at Stanford. On the other hand, Lance Armstrong and his
dr's could turn BYU athlets into Supermen.......J/k
Ute and Cougar fans slammed each other when Roderick was leaving. And now they
slam each other 180 degrees the other way now that he is staying, at least for
today. Same story over and over again for the fans. We are better than you eh?
Same story for Roderick as well. I go and I stay.
@JMT.C'mon man. Bull. Bull puckey, even.If the shoe
was on the other foot, you know how you would react. Differently.
As an Aggie fan I learned a lot about college ball coaches. Many of you talked
trash about us hurt and angry fans. We had a coach not only sign a contract
extension but publicly say he was staying. Then did another story on local paper
with comments like "I looked into there eyes and know this is the place to
stay'' or"money isn't everything". Just support the
players. No integrity when money is involved.
well, I'm a step behind. I saw the article about him leaving and was
wishing him well. I guess I can still wish him well from the stands.
Don't kid yourself. This was pure and simple. MONEY. why didn't he
have the guts to say so is the question.
More money for mediocrity... 'Ducky' and 'Y's
little brother'... best comments on this story.I love UEN...
the Ute Entertainment Network! Always a laugh somewhere.LOL
@sportsfan"the Utes haven't done anything of note since
joining the PAC 10.2."And what has BYU done in that time?
Besides getting beat whenever they play Utah. It's why you're obsessed
Dave S.Last I checked BYU wasn't in a conference but was every
game was available to view on the most watched sports network in the world and
also for free for anyone in the world that wanted too watch it on their own
schedule. I will give Utah props for taking a boat load of cash. However, money
certainly hasn't made their on the field football schedule more compelling
(i.e. no rivalry, and losing seasons for what appears to continue into the
@sammyduck and other BYU fans:As Dave S has said, "Jealousy is a
terrible thing. Enjoy life in your plastic Utah County bubble." So true.
If you weren't all obsessed with everything Utah, you wouldn't be here
trolling over our Utah boards.While we transition into a major,
big-time conference, enjoy your quest for relevance as an "independent".
Happy to see him leave then happy to see him stay. Make up your minds.
Good. We are much better off without this guy we were excited about two days
GoredTalk about living in a land of "relevance fantasy"! Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the only thing the Utes have
"transitioned to" is whipping boy for the big boys of the PAC 10.2.Until you've actually accomplished something in your
"big-time" conference, you're nothing but a leech living off of the
accomplishments of other teams. You might want to start by beating a conference
foe with a winning record, a rather small accomplishment that the inept Utes are
obviously incapable of achieving.As an Independent, BYU has finished
in the Top 25, beaten a Top 25 team, and won two bowl games. Insignificant as
Utah fans may characterize that to be, it still far exceeds anything Utah has
accomplished during the last two years.btw, how do define
"trolling", when the article is about a coach who left BYU to return to
Be happy that Roderick did another switcheroo. If he were to be the passing
coordinator at BYU, it would be doomed to failure. Utah ranked dead last in the
PAC12 this past year in passing at 182.4 yards per game. Even though BYU's
passing offense was pretty pathetic, it still managed to gain 247 yards per
game. Roderick would have been a step backward. If BYU wants to improve the
passing game, almost anyone would be better.
What is with this guy? And why does Utah keep taking him back? Wishy washy is
no way to live your life? He should have taken the job at BYU. After another 5
and 7 year up on the hill all the coaches are gonna be outta there!
Hey SportsFan- "You might want to start by beating a conference foe with a
winning record, a rather small accomplishment that the inept Utes are obviously
incapable of achieving." How about beating an instate foe with a winning
record which the Utes have done 3 years in a row?????
The red and blue thing is closer to crips and bloods than anything else.
It's not often that violence is needed to stop here, but nobody will stop
Just SmilingIt's laughable that playing BYU has once again
become Utah's bowl game and beating BYU is the crowning achievement of your
PAC 10.2 era.BYU is still successful, despite the head-to-head set
backs to Utah.Utah is still a failure, despite the head-to-head
success versus BYU.
@sports fanWhat is all the success the Y has had that you're
reffering to? Are you truly happy with what they have done the last couple of
years the last couple of decades for that matter? If you are good for you but I
would be far from happy as the cougies have accomplished nothing the past 3
decades. I'm far from happy with what the utes have done over the last few
years. However extremely happy they were the first to crack the BCS and win then
repeat 4 years later and dominate an SEC force in the sugar bowl which in turn
has won 3 BCS titles since! They Y has been qwesting for what the U has done
twice since Bronco has arrived yet have not come even close to the U's
success! So sports fan call us when the Y is succesful with
something besides beating the bad WAC teams on their schedule and beats a top
program other then Utah St. Better yet start talking trash when the Y isn't
the U's whipping boy anymore you look foolish.
SportsFan- You are right- it's hilarious- you compare the U's
consistent winning over BYU to end of the season bowl games. The Y lost to every
team that was better than them including the U. Then because of their weak
schedule they qualify for a bowl game, which they wouldn't have if they had
a PAC-12 schedule. The Y qualified for a bowl game the way that Ball State,
Bowling Green, Navy, Air Force, etc. qualified. All insignificant teams playing
in insignificant post season bowl games. Come on, compare apples to apples. Who
won the actual game?
@just smiling, that is well said. BYU plays weak teams, qualifies for a bowl,
then bags on Utah for playing a legitimate conference schedule, one that would
have kept BYU out of a bowl game if they play the same schedule. On the other
hand, if Utah played BYU's schedule, despite the top teams on it's
schedule (the ones BYU lost to), Utah would have had the same wins along with
the four patsies that would have got them into a bowl game as well.
gdog3finallyUtah plays weak teams, still doesn't qualify for a
bowl, then whines about BYU accomplishing what Utah couldn't.Bottom line, if Utah had beaten Utah State, a team BYU beat, U would have gone
bowling.btw, what top teams on Utah's schedule?BYU
played FIVE Top 25 teams; Utah only played TWO.BYU finished #26 in
Sagarin; Utah only managed #61.Sorry to burst your crimson bubbles,
but despite your lucky win over BYU, the Utes simply weren't any good.And no, the Utes wouldn't have had the same wins as BYU; U LOST to
@goredI hear your desperate plea for help and I have alerted the
trailer park on the hill to your plight. They assure me that they will indeed
beat a pac12 team with an winning record sometime during the next decade so just
hang in there little fella, it will happen. Also coach little K tells me that
not only will they win at least 1 conference game this year but sometime before
2020 they will actually make it to the cbi. Good times are on their way little
guy, just don't do anything rash in the interim.Your's
" . . after accepting a position" His going back to UT speaks volumes
about keeping a commitment and integrity or lack of it.
Utah giving him a pay raise to get him back is also a factor