You cried against supposed cuts in Medicare, Romney ran on not ever cutting
medicare, you cry that it's loosing money and cry again when it's
funded by your paycheck because both sides of congress wouldn't extend the
I would love to see the look on many of the gullible left as they opened their
first pay check of 2013 (those that actually get pay checks). I'm certain
there were tears... of joy...knowing they were privileged enough to take part in
...reducing the deficit! Sort of that same confused, desperate, angry look of a
guy in a supermarket checkout line ..that can't find his wallet!! The
reason he can't find his wallet is because Barack found it first!!
I'm certain that MSNBC and CNN reported this tax INCREASE to middle
oh wait you didn't get the memo that you were being including as part of
the evil rich tax increase? Actually it was just the payroll tax increase that
Barack didn't bother mentioning. Two years ago we all got a nice tax cut
and now you don't get that anymore but surely you don't mind paying
more ... of your fair share...do you? Taxes make us all feel better and you can
feel confident that this tax increase will be put to good use. Expect more nice
Obama surprises in the coming months and years. Remember also that those who
don't pay ANY taxes (most of the Obama electorate) didn't notice a
thing in their pay checks.... I mean welfare checks. With that $70 less in your
pay check you will now want to run out and spend more ... right? It is all part
of the liberal mind set. Get used to it because there are MANY more taxes
increases coming.... but remember it's all part of fairness and now you get
to take part in wealth redistribution!!!
Kalindra for Gov! And the letter writer has to take off his tunnel-vision
glasses and stay current with the real world. Quit getting your "news"
in the parking lot on Sunday.
Our nation is the frog in a pot of water. I'm afraid the next four years
are going to be the culmination of what conservatives have been warning about
all along. After all, he no longer has another election to win.
@Christian 24-7"Those who defend the welfare programs, the
extended unemployment benefits, housing subsidies, daycare subsidies, all
subsidies, can you now see how people come to think that they are entitled to
living off others?"Here is the funny thing that never came up in
last years campaign. Mitt Romney's father, for two years, lived on
government assistance in the early years of his marriage. He later rose up to
head a US corporation, and lead the state of Michigan. Somehow..... seems
Romeny's own dad benefited from these very same programs. Blanket statements that these programs don't help anyone ring of
political rhetoric rather than some analysis of the benefits of these programs.
Many have risen up through these programs to become productive people in
Joe5, You're putting words in my mouth. I haven't blamed Bush,
I haven't claimed Obama has no power or that he must remain
"untainted". I have no problem criticizing Obama where I disagree with
his politics or his policies. This simply isn't one of those times. I fault Congress because the tax holiday was a law enacted by Congress.
Congress had the option to extend it. Congress did not do so, and an executive
order can't override that and resurrect an expiring law. This is a
fundamental separation of powers issue, which is why the kneejerk responses on
here blaming the president are so exasperating.I fault voters who
were ignorant that Congressional inaction would impact their paychecks. That
includes the original letter writer and several commenters here. Yes,
there's much going on in an election, but faulting Obama for not informing
one's self is a stretch. When it comes to public knowledge of laws, voters
have no business accusing politicians of pulling a fast one on them. It's
part of personal responsibility as a voter. I though conservatives were big on
"personal responsibility" instead of relying on others.
I can't figure out if you guys don't get it or won't get it.
There's way too much kool-aid drinking going on here.The party
of blame is wearing out the Bush excuse so now JoeBlow, ResNovae, and others
will use Congress as their scapegoat. Even though Obama has shown no hesitation
to use executive powers and force things through without Congress, when it is
convenient his loyal following claims he has no power.Or maybe, like
ResNovae, they prefer to blame the voters. I guess it doesn't matter who we
blame as long as the hero stays untainted. And those are claiming the media was
all over this should trot out the huge media coverage that was happening before
Nov6 instead of the media coverage we had after Christmas.My real
question is: How can you stand to have a President that is so completely
impotent that he is never responsible for anything? What kind of leadership is
that for you to adore him so completely?
Sorry to learn you haven't been following real news sources. As you've
learned by now, there is more to news than FOX.
Joe5, It's the responsibility of the voters to be an informed
electorate. Given the number of Americans who can't name the first
president, identify Afghanistan on a globe, or remember the name of their
senators, my expectations are regrettably low. But when the media is repeatedly
reporting that the payroll tax holiday is about to expire, I'm hardpressed
to think that Obama was purposefully hiding that fact to hoodwink the ignorant
into voting for him. Unfortunately, you can't force voters to
watch or read the news to inform themselves on all issues -- and that's on
them, not on the president. You can lead a horse to water, but can't make
him drink.Oh, and I knew about the payroll tax AND shockingly I
still voted for him. Call me doubly hoodwinked for thinking it was
Congress's responsibility to stop a law from automatically expiring. I
certainly don't think that a Romney victory would have changed that from
happening, so I'm a little unconvinced about any "shenanigans" from
the White House on this.
Uh Joe5You do realize that Obama didn't cut the payroll tax,
nor did he raise it. This is the job of congress who votes on all such
things.You are saying he outsmarted the electorate. If what you
say is true, didn't he just outsmart the GOP?
That's exactly the point I was making. Obama knew that dumb people would
not review the expiration notice. They would not read it when it passed or, if
they did, they would forget at election time two years later. They would not
listen to the media reports which, by the way, would largely become news as the
time approached for the rates to go back up (in other words, after the
election).If you don't get my point, you might be one of those
who fell for Obama's shenanigans. Let me try to state it simply: Obama knew
that if he could give people a break, MANY (not all) of them would not
understand the terms on Nov 6 so they would vote for him. What they learn later
would not hurt him. All he needed was a couple of million people to fall for it,
not every American and not even every person who voted for him. Many would vote
for him even with complete knowledge of the tax holiday. But you can't be
blind enough to deny that many voters did not understand.
"Obama used the 2% holiday to buy the election. Smart people knew that this
increase would go back in after he was re-elected. Dumb people who didn't
know that voted for his re-election. Smart play on his part."A
public law contained an expiration notice visible for anyone who bothered
reading it from the moment it passed, was a matter of public record for 2 years,
and was referred to repeatedly in media reports on the fiscal cliff....And somehow when people are uninformed and caught by surprise when it expires,
it's all part of a cunning strategy to win re-election? Good
grief. The lengths some folks are going to pin the blame on Obama, instead of
the Republicans who steadfastly refused to consider an extension of the holiday,
Obama used the 2% holiday to buy the election. Smart people knew that this
increase would go back in after he was re-elected. Dumb people who didn't
know that voted for his re-election. Smart play on his part. All he needed was a
couple million votes to ensure he would stay in office so he bought the votes he
@Che:Just look at Social Security. That money you say we owe to support
this wonderful program doesn't even do so. It's spent by the
crooks..."Actually, it's loaned to the government who pays
interest to the fund."...rather than being put into a protected,
controlled investment program that would actually give far larger payments to
SSA recipients in their old age."What do you recommend for an
investment... the stock market, where all could be lost in a market downturn?
Investing in special government bonds is the safest place to put SS fund
The whole George Bush argument is such a losing argument. Your man, Obama, 4
years later, still has us in the wars, and has added Pakistan, and he had a tax
holiday, and he is racking up debts at over twice the rate of Bush. Oh, and he
keeps adding more entitlements, when we can't pay for the ones we have now.
It was not the republicans in congress that did that, it was Obama
and the democrats. He is commander in chief and has kept us in those wars, he
and the democrats crafted the tax holiday and the new entitlements. It was all
done by the democrats. Thank God the republicans have slowed him
down a little. But hey, go live with your blinders on and keep
worshiping Obama. Don't expect the rest of us to do so just because you
The comments are beginning to be based on reason and fact. Reason will ruin the
That reminds me....Thanks, George, for the multi billion dollar war and
associated tax cut. Not sure how that math worked, but we don't really
emphasize knowledge anymore, do we?
@Kalindra:"Blaming Obama for things over which he has no control
indicates a lack of knowledge of how our form of Government works."This is how our government (Obama) works re taxes...He raised
taxes on the wealthy, only. Others (poor/middle class) get no tax increase...
true in actuality. False in reality.The tax on the wealthy usually
is tax on businesses owned by the wealthy. This tax ends up in the cost of the
product/service generated by the businesses. So, when the poor and middle class
buy the product/service they pay a higher price... largely do to the increase
caused thy the tax on the wealthy. Bottom line? Everybody's
'taxes' are up... including the article's author.Cleaver politician trick, raise taxes via a circuitous route.
He did not forget to tell us. You just weren't listening.
OMM,What complete nonsense. According to you and Obama,
the $100 or so LESS that I receive is not a tax increase, but just the result of
the end of a "tax holiday"; but, you tell us that Bush's tax cut
expiration would be a tax increase.Obama had every right and every
opportunity to extend either or both as long as he is in office. He used the
threat of a tax increase (expiration of the Bush tax cuts) to intimidate America
but he conveniently forgot to tell us that he would increase the amount that
each family pays to the federal government by $1,200 a year by increasing the
amount of money that he would take from each and every paycheck of each and
every working American. Which "tax increase" affected more Americans?
Would the end of the Bush tax cuts reduce your paycheck by $100 or more each pay
period? Obama used extreme guile to increase revenues by doing exactly what he
promised he would not do.
Obama did not promise that your net paycheck would not go down. He did not
promise that your Medical and Dental insurance deduction would not go up. He
did not promise that your 401k withholding would not go up. There are many
possible deductions on your paycheck and there is only ONE about which he did
make a promise, and that is your Federal Income Tax. And your FIT has not
changed from last year to this year. The only federal tax that did change is
the FICA / Medicare 2% tax holiday that was always intended to be temporary and
was allowed (by Congress) to expire on Jan 1st. So if you're going to be
angry at the POTUS, as least be angry for a legitimate reason.
You should be thanking Obama for the 2% payroll tax cut you got for the past two
years. It was what he insisted on in a compromise with Republicans. Neither
party was interested in extending it for 2013.
Obama didn't lie, and your taxes didn't go up - just like he
promised.IF the Bush tax cuts-had expired, your taxes would have
gone up.So, all things being considered....The tax
increase of $70 the letter writer only sees, is far smaller than if the
tax rates had gone back to "normal".So, the net gain is an
actual tax decrease - made permanent BTW - for 99% of Americans.You
taxes DIDN'T go up - just as he promised.
"Before long, he'll raise taxes to FDR's 90% war level"Mike, Your post is riddled with non-truths, and you probably know
it.Obama cant raise taxes, or lower them. Obama cant extend tax holidays
or initiate them.This is the job of congress.You were
probably in the camp in 2007-8 when all the Republicans defended Bush as the
economy tanked and unemployment rose saying "Bush doesn't make the
laws. That is congress's job"Congress votes on ALL
Spending and ALL Taxes.
Another feeble attempt from the radical right to attack the President.Better luck tomorrow! One thing is for sure, the sun will rise in
the east and repubs will accept zero responsibility for anything in this country
and will complain about Obama incessantly.
@Mike Richards"He snookered those who believed in what he implied.
Those of us who can actually read and reason knew that he would raise our taxes,
even though he doesn't call it a tax increase, even though his followers
don't call it a tax increase. Those of us who pay taxes know that having
the federal government take an extra $100 taken out of our paychecks is a tax
increase."No, the expiration of a tax holiday, which for a
period of two years lowered payroll taxes from the rate set years ago, is *not*
a tax increase, no matter how many logical pretzels you try contort out of it.
The rate you pay now is the same rate you paid when Obama took office 4 years
ago -- which is a lower rate that you paid under Reagan, the patron saint of
First off, Obama said income taxes wouldn't go up. Same as Romney who
promised the same thing.Secondly, Obama wanted to keep the payroll tax
cut. Republicans didn't, and Obama gave it up during the negotiations.
Republican logic: A temporary tax cut is a tax increase.
@Mike RichardsSenator Lee voted against the payroll tax cut
extension in December 2011 and January 2013. He (Seantor Lee) voted to increase
taxes. Care to explain?
As a conservative, I don't like Obama's policies. He is ruining the
country.However, it is just silly to try and tie the expiration of
the payroll tax "holiday" to him as a tax hike on the middle class. Such
a attempt is just plain dishonest.I realize that the left uses this
tactic all the time to vilify conservatives by convincing a bunch of gullible
Americans to believe some lie or half-truth, but our side should not resort to
such dishonesty.I know it works so it is very tempting to do it, but
just as Lance Armstrong doped perhaps because "everyone else is doing
it", doesn't make it right.Instead of the payroll tax, I am
much more concerned with all the tax hikes related to Obamacare and other
sources of "revenue enhancements" that will surely hit everyone, not
just the "rich".
Obama is the president and increases in tax are ultimately his responsibility.
democrats often overlook that they are in power and they should not blame the
evil Republicans for every failure of the Obama presidency. When government
takes more from citizens in taxes, it is a tax raise. Stop the rationalizations
about being temporary, etc.
Obama is a master at using exact words to protect him from what he implies.
Before long, he'll raise taxes to FDR's 90% war level and claim that
it is not a "new tax" because it existed since the time of FDR. He knew that he would be raising taxes by over $1,000 on a typical
family. He knew that he would never be re-elected if he told the full true and
nothing but the truth. He also knew that he would have power to do whatever he
wanted to do if he were re-elected.He snookered those who believed
in what he implied. Those of us who can actually read and reason knew that he
would raise our taxes, even though he doesn't call it a tax increase, even
though his followers don't call it a tax increase. Those of us who pay
taxes know that having the federal government take an extra $100 taken out of
our paychecks is a tax increase.What should we have expected from a
tax and spend President?
Those who defend the welfare programs, the extended unemployment benefits,
housing subsidies, daycare subsidies, all subsidies, can you now see how people
come to think that they are entitled to living off others?The
payroll tax holiday was just another promise that those working now could retire
on the taxes paid by others. Hand outs don't help people in the
long term. Getting them to work is the answer.
What's hilarious to me is how the party of "No Accountability" did
nothing to extend these cuts (but now their followers complain about these
"increases" (which aren't even increases but merely letting the
rate return to what it was just 2 years before). When will the GOP
do anything? They have control of the House. Yet... They appear to
be mere bystanders as Obama does whatever he wants.When will repubs
stop being victims and do something... ANYTHING??? For the people?!It's too easy to complain and complain while doing nothing to resolve
anything. Just keep kickin the can down the road repubs cryin all the way.
Tremendous strategy for 2016. As if this strategy worked soooooooooooooo well in
2012...Terry, if Obama is responsible for these increases
where's your letter calling out your party for not extending them? They
didn't even attempt to fight. Where's the accountability?
What Terry didn’t tell us is the amount of decrease due to the income
tax.The other point is that all politicians lie, even the good ones.
@Che t matters because the letter writer inaccurately singled out Obama
for blame. republicans need to stand up and take responsibility for their role
in our broken government instead of always trying to displace blame on others.
So what if it's temporary. Does that mean it can't be extended, or
made permanent...if anything in DC is ever permanent. Obama, Democrats,
Republicans....what does it matter. They're all incompetent....a bunch of
crooks. Soooo, temporary or not....I'm getting less each month.
Haven't had a raise in 4 years...and probably another 4.Just
look at Social Security. That money you say we owe to support this wonderful
program doesn't even do so. It's spent by the crooks, only taking out
what they have to to keep the Ponzi scheme afloat, rather than being put into a
protected, controlled investment program that would actually give far larger
payments to SSA recipients in their old age.Good luck America.
NatePleasant Grove, UTGovernment programs are great, as long as
someone else has to pay for them. It's different when we have to pay for
them ourselves.The tax increases which prompted the writer to
complain are for Medicare and Social Security. Even with the tax increases,
these programs are under-funded. We borrow money to pay for them.----------------------No Nate. We actually borrow FROM Social
Security programs because we are still bringing in more than we pay out. And we
did NOT get a holiday for Medicare. That rate has remained constant. Honest.
Terry Its to bad you dont understand how the government works. The Bush tax cuts
bankrupted our country. The rise in taxes you see is the end of an additional
tax break, from the Obmam administration, to help shore up the economy. The Bush
tax cuts need to expire on ALL of us. We havent paid a bill for 10 years, thanks
to them, and the unfunded wars he started. Terry do some fact checking, to find
out what your talking about before you open your mouth and insert foot!
I'll bet in the same breath this letter writer complains about the growing
National deficient as well...
Rather than complain and blame everything on Obama, why not thank him for giving
you a temporary payroll tax cut for 2 years? Don't you remember why you
got that 'raise' for the past 2 years?I do, and I thank President
Obama for that. Now, it's time to start paying full fare for the programs
that we all benefit from, and are being shortchanged from that temporary cut.
It's the responsible thing to do.
This letter is completely foolish.The writer actually needs to thank
the GOP side of Congress. When Obama tried to get the 2% cut passed four years
ago, the GOP fought tooth and nail to stop it. Now, when they had a chance to
prevent the return of the 2% when it was due to expire, they did nothing.Actually, the 2% was a "tax holiday" intended to try to boost
the economy that had been trashed by President Cheney and his little friend.
Now it's necessary to let it expire because it is needed to fund Social
Security and other programs this writer will certainly want to be there when his
time comes to retire.One more Utahn has fallen for the propaganda of
Terry is too young (or too partisan) to remember that the current program and
rates were set in place in 1983. From that date till the "tax holiday"
stimulus, that was what we all paid. Now that I am among those collecting
benefits, Terry thinks that the correct policy is to cut the payroll (Soc.
Sec.)tax AND complain that the program is underfunded and needs benefit cuts. No
wonder we can't get anything done in Washington. PS. Your
current rate would be that signed into law by President Reagan if that helps you
accept reality better.
Terry needs to get off the foxnews/am radio kool-aid. The Payroll taxes
aren't going up. They are returning to the exact rate they were when Obama
made that promise. Lets suppose your local Harmons store sells
Chicken for $5. Monday-Friday they go for their normal price of $5. then, on
Saturday, they decide to have a promotion. They lower the chicken to $4. But
it's just a promotion, a temporary measure, and everyone (except for a very
small ill-informed minority of the population understands this). On
the next Monday, the price for chicken returns to the normal price of $5. Would
anyone in the right mind say that Harmons is increasing their prices? Absolutely
not. Yet, when the price increases to its normal cost this very small
ill-informed minority complains that the prices are increasing. Do
the attacks that this ill-informed minority carry any weight? Are they
legitimate? Do they really speak for the majority? Nope. Same thing
applies here. Obama didn't lie. Payroll taxes aren't
increasing. And the very small ill-informed minority should be ignored. Sorry
Terry, but Obama won. Get over it.
It shouldn't have been cut two years ago. He throws little
scraps here and there to keep his constituents happy. None of these scraps
amount to anything other than votes. They clearly don't help the economy.
Government programs are great, as long as someone else has to pay for them.
It's different when we have to pay for them ourselves.The tax
increases which prompted the writer to complain are for Medicare and Social
Security. Even with the tax increases, these programs are under-funded. We
borrow money to pay for them. Which is the same as saying, our children and
grandchildren are going to have to pay for them. Medicare and Social Security
need to be reformed, but no politician will do it, because it would cost them
votes. Some politicians, like Obama, don't even admit that a problem
exists. If they talk about it at all, they pretend it can be solved by taxing
the rich. But, mathematically, there aren't enough rich people to make up
the shortfall.A real leader would go before the American people,
explain the problem clearly, and propose a solution behind which the nation
could unite. Instead, Obama demagogues the issues and tries to shift blame to
his political adversaries, and nothing constructive gets done. It's going
to be a long four more years.
"Anyone really thought 0bama told the truth? Just wait for the death panels
"Oh yes, the infamous death panels. The part where doctors get
paid for the time that they spend discussing end-of-life options with the
family. This was sold to the unknowing as "death panels"Kind of sad when people call out other for not telling the truth, while
blatantly NOT telling the truth.
Mr. Gunn apparently doesn't read this opinion page, nor any other news
outlet. This same, childish premise was presented in a letter just a few days
ago. I'm wondering why the Desreret News feels it necessary to present
worn out issues day after day. Are the writers of opinion letters so few and
far between that you need to have something just to fill the page?So
since we're restating old opinions here, let me make a point that was
probably made on the previous day. Yes, Mr. Gunn, you should thank the
president because his stimulus package included a holiday from payroll taxes
over the past two years. And so based on your statement, you probably avoided
paying over $1500 in payroll taxes over the past two years. What did you do
with that money? Did you pay off some debt? Did you take a family vacation?
Regarless of what you did with the money I hope you'll take the time to
write the president a personal note thanking him for your good fortune. The
president didn't raise your taxes but the holiday is over.
I expect the author intends to collect social security when he retires. If we
expect Social Security to be there for us, we have to pay for it.
Terry, your taxes went up because the Payroll Tax holiday that President Obama
passed with a Democratic Majority in the House in 2009 has now expired. The
Republican led House of Representatives did not act in time to save it. This
was part of the tax cuts that the President wanted to preserve, but
Congressional Republicans were willing to let go so that they could preserve tax
cuts for the ultra-wealthy.
I don't know what kind of work you do, but based on the reasoning exhibited
on this letter, there are many professions in which I hope you are not engaged.
Two years ago, Obama convinced Congress to pass a bill which he then
signed into law to temporarily reduce the payroll tax rate by 2%. This
temporary tax reduction expired. Without action from Congress, there is nothing
the President can do about that tax rate - at least, not without overstepping
his Constitutional authority. The payroll tax did not go up - it
returned to its regular rate. This is not considered a tax increase but the end
of a tax holiday. Blaming Obama for things over which he has no
control indicates a lack of knowledge of how our form of Government works. And
if the only complaints you have against him are baseless fabrications, then he
must not be doing too bad of a job.
Anyone really thought 0bama told the truth? Just wait for the death panels - we
have so desensitized the people with abortion, I guess death panels for the
elderly is just another step. And as a Senior, I would like to thank those who
voted for 0bama and especially other seniors who thought we would not have to
pay 1 cent more, or that we could retain our doctors of choice. Wake up!
I am sorry that you were not aware the payroll tax was going to return to the
rate it was when Obama took office. See, technically there was a sale on role
taxes where they were 2 percent lower than when Obama took office - and that
sale - or pay roll tax holiday expired December31st - your back to paying the
rate you paid when Obama took office.Not sure how you missed
it...... it has been plastered throughoutt the news for the last month
The social security tax cut was planned to be temporary.
I have no doubt that was is occurring here to Terry is the expiration of the
payroll tax cuts.You know.. those taxes that pay for SS and
Medicare. The 2 programs that are underfunded, and their funding (read taxes)
were cut previously under Obama.Neither party was big on extending
them.From the Wall Street Journal - "The
workers’ share of the Social Security payroll tax had been lowered by two
percentage points for the past two years, to 4.2% from 6.2%, amounting to an
annual income boost of $1,000 for a typical U.S. family earning $50,000 a
year."This in simply another case of one getting a TEMPORARY tax
cut, and then calling it a tax increase when it expires. And blaming Obama.