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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 15 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Our public actions must be informed by science. We cannot bury our heads in the sand.

Denial of climate change usually takes one of two forms.

First, that the scientists have ignored some key data. As if armchair experts know what the professionals do not.

Second, that there is a vast global conspiracy to suppress the truth. The problem with this is the size and complexity of such a conspiracy would be beyond what is humanly possible.

We need to reject such foolishness, take the best information available, and move forward accordingly.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

What I find is that if one is very very selective in choosing the data, spins that data just right, while ignoring mountains of other data, a case could be made AGAINST climate change.

Not exactly a scientific approach, but used quite commonly by "intelligent" people and elected officials.

higv
Dietrich, ID

HOw do people explain lenghty cold fronts or volcanic eruptions. Can't control climate why let it control us?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

So, is a few places we had a warmer than usual summer. Right now in some places we are having record breaking cold weather which is threatening crops and lives. In Russia it was -40 degrees last week. How do the "scientists" explain that? The evidence doesn't support the theory all the time does it?

one old man
Ogden, UT

I'll say it again. Those who choose to bury their heads in the sand (or snow) and pretend nothing is happening won't wake up until their tail feathers ignite.

Actually, the incidental weather anomalies that seem to contradict climate change are predicted by the change models.

But understanding that requires some ability to actually think beyond sound bites.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"in some places we are having record breaking cold weather which is threatening crops and lives. In Russia it was -40 degrees last week."

How do the "scientists" explain that?

Well, I am not a scientist, but I think I can. It is called Weather.

Weather happens daily. It sets new records all the time, both hot and cold. Those that interchange weather and climate miss the picture. Climate is not weather.

This is the type of cherry picking I was referring to.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Weather is not climate. Utah's temperatures have almost nothing to do with global averages. One year's temperatures are meaningless in long-term trends.

So should we get alarmed about this January's near-record cold? Is an ice age looming? Same logic applies.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

No. I refuse to believe it, therefore it isn't true. It isn't happening in my backyard, right now, so I don't have to do anything about it. I am a utah armchair climatologist.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Come on people, its time to face the truth. Al Gore is a fraud and so is his "inconvenient truth" scam. He is laughing all the way to the bank having amassed wealth untold! Yes, he is even richer than Mitt Romney now! This issue was and remains all about money; taking it from you and giving it to them so they can "save the planet". At what point will some of you finally recognize this and get on with solving our real problems?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

...Al Gore is a fraud... He is laughing all the way to the bank having amassed wealth untold! Yes, he is even richer than Mitt Romney now!

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He maybe richer than Mitt Romney,
But he's still a pauper compared to liars like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mountanman
Hayden, ID
So, is a few places we had a warmer than usual summer. Right now in some places we are having record breaking cold weather which is threatening crops and lives. In Russia it was -40 degrees last week. How do the "scientists" explain that? The evidence doesn't support the theory all the time does it?

8:07 a.m. Jan. 15, 2013

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Beacause we all know you have ALL the evidence for the entire planet from your little old back porch up there in little old Hayden, Idaho - right Mountaman?

From all your posts -- it seems very clear your only contact with the outside world is whatever Rush Limbaugh tells you it is.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mountainman
"The evidence doesn't support the theory all the time does it?"

Considering record highs are much more frequent than record lows the past decade actually it rather does support it. Last year was the 11th warmest on record with 15 of the 15 warmest years being the most recent 15.

"At what point will some of you finally recognize this and get on with solving our real "problems?"

When the data stops backing up the idea of anthropogenic climate change.

Whatever
Springville, UT

The global warming deniers on this board are pretty funny when you consider that on one side of the argument you have 99 percent of all credible scientists in the world and on the other side you have Glenn Beck...

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Massive amounts of data support man-made causes for climate change. A handful contrary studies offer a different view. The conservatives prefer to ignore the former and give total allegiance to the latter. Unfortunately, their view of economics results from a similar attitude toward evidence. Somehow they have managed to maintain just enough power in government to prevent us from actually dealing with the problems on both fronts.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ ATL. Data is easily fabricated, it happens everyday. Aren't actual ambient temperatures data? I trust actual facts more than computer model predictions. You should too.

@Open Minded.. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, don't have time.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, it only took nine posts for someone to weigh in with the "all about the money" rebuttal, although this time it was only directed at Al Gore and not at all of the climate scientists who have to drink the climate change Kool-Aid to keep getting all of those lucrative federal grants. Never mind that Gore's latest windfall came from a routine media business transaction. Never mind that most academic researchers make modest incomes. Never mind that the charge is rarely applied to the climate change skeptics funded by the Koch brothers or Exxon-Mobil.

However, let's accept the charge as legitimate and apply it equally to another subject currently in public debate. This issue was and remains all about money; taking it from you and giving it to them so they can "save the guns." Only this time the giving is done freely by gun owners to the dealers and lobbyists. Does anyone not think that there is a viable industry manufacturing fear of gun confiscation? Gun and ammunition sales are booming. NRA membership is skyrocketing. There is a lot of money to be made riling up the masses and cultivating hysteria-- whatever the subject.

Wonder
Provo, UT

If Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck say there is no global warming, then by golly, there is no global warming. Every climate scientist in the world is a liberal, Communist, money grubber. (Disregard the fact that scientists make many multitudes less than either of those renowned experts, Rush and Glenn. Disregard the fact that scientists have spent years learning about the things they study, while Rush and Glen have studied no more than maybe high school biology and chemistry).

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Wonder
Provo, UT

Agreed!

Nothing speaks the truth over accredited Global Scientists worldwide better than a fat-cat $400 million, college-drop-out, 3 timed married, former drug-addict, facists, male chavanist, radio show host, broadcasting from a studio through his EIB microphone, in Florida.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

I've never seen Rush Limbot have an expert guest on his show. He knows everything.

All American
Herriman, UT

Why is it that people love to run these words all together into one subject? Global warming - global cooling - climate change - human caused global "whatever". Those are 4 different subjects - all have plenty of statistics to support or refute them. If people were at all logical and rational, they would recognize that "climate change" has happened on this earth since its inception, and even IF humans are responsible, barring a massive die-off, there is nothing that will change whether we have a "warming" or a "cooling". Even a massive die-off will most likely make no difference in "climate change". You all do know the meaning of "change", don't you?

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