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Published: Saturday, Jan. 12 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It was President Obama who got congress to enact the 2% rate reduction in SS taxes. He stated right from the beginning that it would be a temporary measure to help stimulate the economy, it was never intended to be permanent. The rate has gone back to what it has been since 1983, as planned from the start.

This letter is pure nonsense.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

Because we all know Obama really does write all the laws himself and none of the elected Congresspeople have anything to do with it other than voting for or against it....

Politics are so simple when you just blame the President for everything!

Oh - and of course, you know, that was a statement from 2008 - before the payroll tax was reduced.... Does it going back to where it was when he made that statement really count as an increase?

ECR
Burke, VA

The president's enemies will stop at nothing, even to the point of making themselves look ignorant and out of touch, to discredit everything he says. The fact that this author has attempted to make it look like the end of the payroll tax holiday was a surprise to everyone in the nation.

No sir, only those who are uninformed or those who think the rest of us are would attempt to make that point. Read a newspaper: go online; educate yourself. Or do you need someone to do that for you?

mohokat
Ogden, UT

you can defend him all you want. The bottom line is he said no tax increase! There is a tax increase! He lied plain and simple. He is the final player in the system. He could have vetoed it. He has threatened to veto other legislation. What happened. Typical liberal tactics. Defend the indefensible.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Hail to the chief, the chief can kicker, who chastises congress and tells them he will not let them cut or even trim anything and get his signature on it.

Higher taxes and heads in the sand will never fix this country's spending problem and debt problem, or stop the consequences of those problems from taking us down, at which point Obama will be seen as the presidential failure he is.

It will be little comfort to know the truth when it is too late.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Just look at that fine suit of clothes the Emporer is wearing.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yup. All Obama's fault. Yup.

Apparently the writer of this letter has never heard of Congress. Or the selfish scoundrels in the Republican Party.

Blind ignorance in rampant in Utah.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Re-read your own letter. The President said "under my plan..."

Congress did not accept the President's plan; they created their own plan.
Congress raised taxes.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Hate to tell you, letter writer, but it was the Republicans who wanted the payroll tax to go back up. I agree with them that it should have gone back up (SS and Medicare were being shorted by the decrease), but it wasn't the Dems who were pushing for that increase.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

On Thursday, boneless pork chops at my local grocery store were $4.99/lb. On Friday, they were buy 1 get 1 free, making the effect price $2.50/lb. On Saturday, they returned to their regular price.

According to the letter writer and some of the commentators, my grocery store doubled the price of pork chops in one day.

No one really believes that when the price of an item is reduced for a sale and then returned to its original price, that the return to original price counts as an increase in the cost of the item.

The end of the temporary payroll deduction is no different than the end of the pork chop sale. The item returned to its regular rate/price, it did not increase. To claim otherwise is to engage in a logical fallacy and indicates that the author and his supporters have nothing real with which to attack the President. Come on, you can't find something real with which to attack him and have to use a fake increase in the payroll tax? Really? Perhaps you should try harder. I voted for him and can find things he's done with which I disagree.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Despite what the President says Obamacare is a tax. So says the SCOTUS.

Then there's the hidden tax of inflation.

Obama signed SCHIP legislation that raised the tax on smokes 3 days after taking office. Even though most of us don't think smokers count for much - the fact is: 85% of smokers earn less than 70k per year.

Apparentally for liberals its o.k. if Obama vetoes stuff THEY don't like. All the other tax and spend bills that do wind up being passed are the fault of mean Republicans.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

In retail it's called bait and switch. In Chicago politics it's called business as usual or campaign promises and other myths.

firstamendment
Lehi, UT

Since Obama has lied to us about almost everything, I assume that this is what those who voted for him wanted. I can't imagine that anyone really expected the flip flopper in chief to honestly tax his rich Hollywood friends, etc. and to actually give breaks to the poor and stop the chronic waste. So, if you're unemployed or feeling that pinch, remember to thank your friendly Obama supporter...if you can find one.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

This is a campaign promise from 2008. The payroll tax is the exact same now as it was then. It's not a broken promise. Maybe you all would be better suited going after Republicans asking why their pledge to not raise taxes does not actually ban them from letting payroll taxes go up (then again, I could just tell you that Norquist et al don't care one iota about a tax that disproportionately affects the lower/middle classes since income over 120ish thousand isn't subject to it.

Ghost Writer
GILBERT, AZ

I'm amazed at those of you who will defend this cool college professor president regardless of what he does. His statement is clear about no tax increases for the lower income brackets. If he doesn't mean it, he shouldn't have said it. He holds the veto pen and has the political momentum right now and could have delivered at least on this promise. We have never had a president more arrogant and more imperial than this one in my 57 years on this earth.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"He holds the veto pen . . . "
"He could have vetoed it."

Mohokat, Ghost writer, he could have vetoed what? The payroll tax holiday expired. There was no new bill to extend it. There was nothing to veto (or sign for that matter). Congress would have had to send him a bill for him to be able to veto anything.

It seems he made this promise in 2008, and after, in 2010, reduced the payroll taxes for a set length of time, and then when the payroll tax cut expired (as it was meant to do) the tax went back up. To exactly where it was in 2008. And in fact for many years before that.

But anyway, not to look at what was actually said (I know conservatives hate that) but the promise actually said that his "plan" held no tax increases for the lower income ranges. As far as I can see that is true.

Oh well.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

The rate simple returned to the rate is was when he made that "promise".... so the rate isn't higher now than when he made that promise. As stated before, the payroll tax holiday was not part of the fiscal cliff.... it was a tax decrease all on its own. It simple expired and return to the rate it was under Bush.... the very rates the Republicans were trying to defend.

Could he have extended it - the tax holiday? Nope. Congress needed to hand that to him. You cant veto something that isn't there.

This thing goes in circles..... we wanted taxes to remain at Bush levels.....except the payroll tax holiday, we wanted that to stay at the Obama level.... but we don't want the Obama level on the other taxes...... argh.

Compromise means each side doesn't get all they want. Even Reagan compromised..... shockingly. He didn't keep all his promises either.... that is what happens in politics. You have to make choices. To get something, sometimes you give up something else.

DougS
Oakley, UT

Since Obama doesn't even honor his Oath of Office, why would one expect any campaign promise to be honored?

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