lost in DC said:"Happy valley, Does 49.2% yet constitute a majority?
You have no credibility."What are you eight years old,
you've posted that a dozen times and I don't know where you even
originally got it from.when you actually have something to
contribute you should do so otherwise it's like talking to a child who just
interrupts to be heard.Tradition is no excuse to continue bad
Well southern pride does go hand in hand with the republican party. Proven by
the fact they used to be democrats until LBJ passed the civil rights act and
knew he had lost the south for democrats. Sure enough the south went
republican protesting civil rights. A one issue mass change in party is pretty
rare but it happened. There's your confederacy.It's not
just the name of Dixie. Or show me the protests against Dixie cups. Your claims
have no merit. Not until they have a rebel flag on the cups, then there will
be.Dixie college through it's actions now needs a rebirth and
new name. But the board already decided that so you can huff and puff all you
want that it shouldn't be so but they have already decided themselves that
their confederacy imitating days are behind them.
@lost in DC -- Are you trying to say it is "conservative" to honor the
Confederacy? I don't think conservatism = Southern pride, but what do I
know I guess.
To sergio 10:24 a.m. Jan. 11Eventually, you get used to JCS's
Joe McCarthy like rants.To lost in DC 11:06 a.m. Jan. 12West
Jordan, UT"Or do you just enjoy harping at Utah
conservatives?"I know I get a fair share of laughs that way but
truthfully... its like shooting fish in a barrel.
Happy valley,Does 49.2% yet constitute a majority? You have no
credibility.Wonder,See my 2:24 pm 1/11 post. Are you demanding
all those schools and highways honoring confederate leaders change their names?
What have you done in that regard? How about Rice University? Or do you just
enjoy harping at Utah conservatives?
Ok all you people who think Black people (and people of compassion) should
"just get over it", how's this -- next time in a church meeting
when anyone says anything about how badly the pioneers were persecuted or how
badly LDS people are persecuted today, I want you to stand up and tell the
complainer to "get over it". If your ancestors had been held as slaves
for hundreds of years and then after they were freed were not allowed to drink
out of the same water fountains, live in the same neighborhoods, etc,. as other
people in the community, then you might just have a clue about how offensive it
is to glorify the Confederacy (whose sole purpose was to retain the institution
of slavery for southern landowners.) PC nothing. It's common respect and
decency to think that perhaps others might not like to see their neighbors
glorifying "the South".
Re: ". . . name it Pioneer University."I think the folks in
Dixie need mascot-naming advice from people living in North Salt Lake, about as
much as Salk Lakers need advice from Dixie on what to rename the Utes.
If it had been called Mountain Meadows University would you still feel the
same.To conservatives rich white guys are the only ones who experience
Screwdriver,from your comment I don't think you'd be satisfied
until they closed the school and razed the buildings and built a memorial to
Kunta Kinte on the grounds.
A very one sidedview is being protrayed in the DN. Shame on all of you.From FOX NEWS!St. George community activists gave FOX 13 a number
of pictures taken from 40 years of yearbooks at Dixie State College. Those
yearbooks were entitled “The Confederate.” They showed students
hoisting the confederate flag, students performing skits in blackface, and even
portraying slaves on parade floats.Now, Dixie State College
officials are considering an apology for those incidents dating back to the
1960s. At next week’s Board of Trustees meeting, school officials will
choose a name and an “acknowledgment” will be made.“Even with the statues being gone, there’s Confederate
memorabilia,” said Roi Wilkins, a Dixie State College student who opposes
the “Dixie” name. “You go into the old gym and there’s
(pictures of) guys wearing Confederate shirts. You’ve just got to get all
that stuff out and say ‘sorry,’ and we’re good.”
Before we change the name of a Utah institution, we need to DEMAND:the Jefferson Davis Highway in Virginia Stonewall Jackson High Schools
in Manassas and Quicksburg VA, Robert E Lee High Schools in Springfield
and Staunton, VA; Montgomery, AL; Jacksonville, FL; Tyler, San Antonia, Baytown,
and Houston, TX;the Dixie High Schools in Due West, SC; Ft Mitchell, KY;
New Lebanon, OH; ST George, UT;JEB Stuart, High in Falls Church, VADixie COUNTY, FLyou get the idea...all be renamedAnd while we're at it, since William Marsh Rice just wanted white
males educated at his university, we need to change that name, too - and can no
longer call ANYTHING rice because it MUST be racist. I have to admit,
"rice" is a lot easier to say than "that white centered [I hope
"white centered" does not come off as racist] grain that grows in
The central section of the home was completed in 1818. Arlington won out as a
name over Mount Washington, which is what George Washington Parke Custis first
intended calling the 1,100-acre tract of land that he had inherited at the death
of his father when he was 3. “Arlington” was the name of the Custis
family ancestral estate in the Virginia tidewater area. Custis' only child,
Mary Anna Randolph Custis, married her childhood friend and distant cousin,
Robert E. Lee. Lee was the son of former three-term Virginia Governor Henry
("Light Horse Harry") Lee and was himself a graduate of West Point. It
is incorrect that the house was named later, per the national park service. Lee
was later buried at Washington and Lee University grounds. Imagine how naming a
university after a confederate war hero would prevent out side people from
coming. So why is a statue of confederate soldiers bad?
@JSFUmmm, Your close on the Arlington Cemetery thing. But the house was
renamed the Arlington House after the area was designated as a cemetery. So your
right, Lee was involved, but the cemetery wasn't named after his house. His
house was renamed after the cemetery. And really, the bigger point is this. As a
native Utahn I understand where people are coming from with the Dixie name. But
out of state people won't get it, and a University isn't supposed to
cater to a regional audience. A University should be striving to get the best
students, from all over the country. If Dixie wants to just pull in students
from St George maybe it's best if they just remain a college.
And I married a girl whose great great grandfather served in both the
Confederate army first, and then in the United States Army second.
And by the way, The Arlington National Cemetery is named after the home of
Robert E. Lee, who served at the request of his country.
The idea that Dixie denotes racism and slavery is as bigoted and ignorant as can
be. "Confederate and why famous Confederate civil war generals had statues
on campus until a few months ago" Really, most of the officers of the
Confederate army and navy served in the United States Army and Navy both before
and after the civil war. In the Arlington National Cemetery lie over 450
soldiers and officers of the Confederate. A statue and monument honoring the
confederate soldiers both white and black stands in the Arlington National
Cemetery. Yet you fail to recognize that Woodrow Wilson segregated the US Army
and Navy in a racist action, but you honor his racist attitudes and
accomplishments. As for mock slave auctions, how many charity bachelor
auctions and bacheloret auctions take place each year. In effect mock slave
auctions. I don't hear you castigating their racist attitudes. Your hate
for the word confederate is pure bigotry.
This has become the extreme version of political correctness (absurdity) similar
to the SLC school that would not allow the name cougar to be their mascot. In
these cases, names represent what you want them to represent. "Dixie"
implies south and "cougar" implies mountain lion, not slavery or
Yes we should seek to be polite. But I also think there many who are either
hypersensitive, or are looking to take offense, where none is intended. Nursing
that trait is a tough way to live, unless you live a hermit's life. There are words which were used to offend and insult various races. They
would be inappropriate names. Dixie is not one of them. It is not intended to be
offensive. It describes a southern warm climate place. It is not
racial, or discriminatory, so why ban it?
@John Charity Spring, It must be a very confusing world for some people who
don't know their left from their right.
JCS, TekaOk guys. These are straw man arguments. Teka, if in Algebra class
you had statues of famous supporters of Arab slave owners and held mock slave
auctions where you dressed up as Arabs and sold people we should change the
name. JCS, me, you and any other Utah taxpayer have just as much right to input
on the name as the people of Washington County. Our tax $$$ goes toward paying
for the school we all have the right to give input on the name. Not just
conservatives and not just people who live near the school. Remind me again why
the yearbook was called the Confederate and why famous Confederate civil war
generals had statues on campus until a few months ago if the name has nothing to
do with slavery or racism?
This letter is just another left wing attack against freedom of choice. Contrary
to the premise of this letter, the people of St. George should have the right to
honor their forefathers.The left uses the doctrine of political
correctness to attack all speech with which it disagrees. The left claims that
because any possible group may take any possible offense, the speech should be
prohibited.The people of Utah's Dixie must remain true to their
heritage. They cannot let themselves be bullied by left wing extremists.
If you are going to blacklist any reference to a culture because of what they
did, where does it end?I think that the people who are complaining
about the reference to Dixie may be basically ignorant about history and
multiculturalism.Do we want to go through native Americans,
Polynesians, Europeans, orientals, India, Japan, Brazil, Hispanic culture and
pull out our history books and excise anyone and everyone who did something
immoral?No salsa dancing. The slave trade to Brazil was six times
what it was to North America. No Cinqo de Mayo. Mexicans massacred Apaches
worse than North Americans. I retell legends and reserch poetry from societies
which formerly practiced cannibalism and infanticide. I guess that needs to go.
Maybe all we can do is tell Scandinavian stories when it comes to
multi-cultural week. The Norse pillaged northern Europe but that was a long
time ago so I guess it is OK, now.We have to throw out Al-Jabra
(Algebra) that came from Arabs and they had slavery too.Learn from
the bad as well as the good. But don't ignore it.