rfpeterlinCottonwood Heights, UTI loathe government
intervetion, but the biological ability to sire a child does not imprint the
right to damage that child! Liberal logic applied to preserve instead of tear
down individual rights ... and the individual rights are those of the child!5:40 a.m. Jan. 8, 2013============ You
didn't read my comments.I'm FOR this sort of Government
intervention.I voted for it in another State already.So you are
agreeing WITH me.As for the gun deaths vs. respratory realted
deaths, more people die in Utah from poor air quailty than guns or
vehicles.I think we should do something about ALL of them.[But that would require Government restrictions and regulations -- something I
fight with the Neo-Con "Let me free AND irrsponsible" here daily.]
@ LDS Liberal ... an assualt weapon in the room cannot be inhaled and scare the
lungs of that small child. Whereas an appreciation of the correct techniques
required to utilize an assualt weapon will generate tighter shot patterns. Too,
the second amendment does not extend to the right to cause lung diesease in
innocent bystanders. There is a long standing idea that the state has the right
to protect children, even from their own parents, from injurious behavior.
Jurisdictions around the world have adopted legislation to require smoke free
zones in public spaces ... the air inside of an automobile has less volume than
say in a diner or theater, so how is the injury to the child any less than in an
open space.I loathe government intervetion, but the biological
ability to sire a child does not imprint the right to damage that child!
Liberal logic applied to preserve instead of tear down individual rights ... and
the individual rights are those of the child!
Smoking in a vehicle or enclosed area with children is child abuse. I still
suffer from being forced to breathe the tobacco smoke for years as a child - and
I am not in my 50's. Prosecute those who sujbect children to this abuse.
This is not religion, it is a health issue.
This is just another silly 'message' bill. It won't stop one
person from smoking their own vehicle but it will waste a lot of my money as
this thing goes through the legislative process.
TO "LDS Liberal" nice propaganda piece.The sames does not
apply to the gas guzzling vehicles, Rio Tinto, or Energy Solutions. because the
connection to any one source is not a strong link. For example, there are more
respitory problems in Park City than there are in in Salt Lake. There is not a
positive link between the two. Also, prior to the 1980's, the air quality
was worse than it is today, yet there were fewer respitory problems. If those
sources were the cause, why are there more respitory problem now than in the
1980's?Again, be consistant. Just because you don't like
something does not mean it is wrong.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTTo "LDS Liberal" how can
government restrict a freedom that was never a freedom in the first place? We
never had the freedom to kill other people slowly or quickly.The
government has always ensured that your freedom does not take away mine. There
is no hypocrisy or restrictions, just mutually assured freedom. You can kill
yourself with tobacco, and you can't expose your passengers to the
carcinogens in the smoke.================ So then, You must agree with me and Utah's Surgeon General that the same applies
to gas guzzling vehicles, RioTinto [Kennecott], and Energy Soultions operation
being held accountable and responsible in part for the 400+ respritory deaths
annually attributed to Salt Lake's poor air quailty?Again --
I'm just asking you to show integrity and to be consistant.
I have a question to all you do-gooder's in Utah. Has any of you includeing
your fools on the hill taken any time to see much money the state will lose in
taxs when every one stops smokeing or go's over the boder to buy them? No
you have not. And stop and think you all can go back to whineing and complaining
when you have to take another tax increace.
To "LDS Liberal" how can government restrict a freedom that was never a
freedom in the first place? We never had the freedom to kill other people
slowly or quickly.The government has always ensured that your
freedom does not take away mine. There is no hypocrisy or restrictions, just
mutually assured freedom. You can kill yourself with tobacco, and you
can't expose your passengers to the carcinogens in the smoke.Go
back and read my previous post before spouting your leftist propaganda.
I'm a huge proponent of more freedom/less regulation. On the other hand, I
remember being stuck in a hot (no a/c) car as a kid nearly choking on smoke.
I'm glad most parents have wised up but some just refuse.
@RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTTo "LDS Liberal" one thing your
ilk has never understood is when something going from being a freedom to
stupidity.=========== Which is it RedShirt?More
Freedom and Less Government as you preach or more Government for the
safety of others as I preach?Persoanlly, I'm FOR it.I
signed a petition for a State inititive in Washington State like this one...out-lawing 2nd hand smoke in personal vehicles with minors.and
that makes an "evil" Liberal becasue I have little problem with
government intevening and taking away someone's unbridled personal freedom
if it's in the best interest of public safety, protection of minors and for
the common good.So, Do you now agree with me that Government needs
to restrict some freedoms, or don't you?You "ilk"
needs to show some integrity, and be consistant.
To "LDS Liberal" one thing your ilk has never understood is when
something going from being a freedom to stupidity.When a perceived
freedom takes away another person's rights, it is not a freedom. For
example freedom of speech cannot be used when yelling fire in a crowded theater
becuase of the danger that it puts to the life of others. The same can be said
for smoking with children in a confined space. If you want to kill yourself
with tobacco, go ahead, but don't take innocent children along. (This is
different from gun violence beucase the underlying cause was mental illness and
not guns.)Another thing that your ilk fails to recognize is the
simple fact that smoking is not in the constitution, and therefore is not a
protected freedom. Thanks to the 10th ammendment, it is up to the states to
figure out what to do.
"Utahbluedevil & lds Liberal" Respectfully; please don't
confuse Utah Republicans with conservatives. VERY FEW Utah republicans are, in
fact, conservatives. They like to call themselves "conservative" to get
votes.....but most of them have no idea how to BE conservative.BTW -
this is just another goofy "feel good" law that the Utah RINO's are
so proud of passing. It will never be enforced. (even if it is passed) Ask any
cop you know how many tickets he's written for "smoking in the
park", or "idling your car too long".You'll get a
big laugh!!Also, IF Utah ever does eliminate smoking entirely; all
our tax bills will be going up significantly. Smokers pay for ALL the cost of
SCHIP (healthcare for kids).
Another example of the criminilization of another thing that is none of our
legislature's business. Over-criminalization is a significant problem in
Utah and with our legislature.
The dangers of assault rifles are well documented, yet people still do it. The
dangers to children exposed to assault rifles are well documented, yet some
parents still have them in their homes in the presence of their kids — and
because they do, a Utah legislator thinks there ought to be a law. ========== Why do we ban cigarettes, and not assault rifles?...you would think from all the "Government is taking away our
FREEDOMS", whining radical right-wing would be the 1st in line trying to
stop this sort of legislation.and FYI -- ...liberal States
like Washington State already have laws like this one.I thought
radical right wingers hated Socialist, Big Government getting into our lives?Which is it?
Can a smoker please explain to me how throwing out a cigarette butt isn't
considered littering? I see so many smokers just toss them out on the road...it
gets me so mad.
Whats next... what TV shows your kids see...? I don't
understand the conservative stance here.... in one breath they are for keeping
government out of our lives, then a breath later they want to tell people that
"risky" behavior should be banned. Well, where does it stop? Youth
football is risky. Happy Meals are risky. Jogging after dusk is risky.
Saturated fats, large soda drinks, hunting, riding quads, walking with your shoe
laces untied.... all possible target for someone else to tell you what to
do.Unfortunately each day we have parents demonstrating bad
parenting. That said, we can't have, and don't want state or federal
government managing each and every nuance of our lives. Next - no drinking wine
in front of kids...
When Utah is overhauling it's medical insurance pools you should provide
medical help to stop smoking.
As a amoker who quit more than 40 years ago, I am a tobacco Nazi. As a child I
was expeosed constantly to cigarette smoke in and out of vehicles, and I suffer
from some lung weakness that might have been caused by that exposure. But even
I think that this kind of a law goes too far. It opens the door for uneven
enforcement, and in Utah a potential religious bias may come in to play. For
the most part personal automobiles are viewed by most as an extenion of their