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Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

As a amoker who quit more than 40 years ago, I am a tobacco Nazi. As a child I was expeosed constantly to cigarette smoke in and out of vehicles, and I suffer from some lung weakness that might have been caused by that exposure. But even I think that this kind of a law goes too far. It opens the door for uneven enforcement, and in Utah a potential religious bias may come in to play. For the most part personal automobiles are viewed by most as an extenion of their private spaace

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

When Utah is overhauling it's medical insurance pools you should provide medical help to stop smoking.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Whats next... what TV shows your kids see...?

I don't understand the conservative stance here.... in one breath they are for keeping government out of our lives, then a breath later they want to tell people that "risky" behavior should be banned. Well, where does it stop? Youth football is risky. Happy Meals are risky. Jogging after dusk is risky. Saturated fats, large soda drinks, hunting, riding quads, walking with your shoe laces untied.... all possible target for someone else to tell you what to do.

Unfortunately each day we have parents demonstrating bad parenting. That said, we can't have, and don't want state or federal government managing each and every nuance of our lives. Next - no drinking wine in front of kids...

CentralUtah
Alpine, UT

Can a smoker please explain to me how throwing out a cigarette butt isn't considered littering? I see so many smokers just toss them out on the road...it gets me so mad.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The dangers of assault rifles are well documented, yet people still do it. The dangers to children exposed to assault rifles are well documented, yet some parents still have them in their homes in the presence of their kids — and because they do, a Utah legislator thinks there ought to be a law.

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Why do we ban cigarettes, and not assault rifles?

...you would think from all the "Government is taking away our FREEDOMS", whining radical right-wing would be the 1st in line trying to stop this sort of legislation.

and FYI --
...liberal States like Washington State already have laws like this one.

I thought radical right wingers hated Socialist, Big Government getting into our lives?

Which is it?

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

Another example of the criminilization of another thing that is none of our legislature's business. Over-criminalization is a significant problem in Utah and with our legislature.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

"Utahbluedevil & lds Liberal" Respectfully; please don't confuse Utah Republicans with conservatives. VERY FEW Utah republicans are, in fact, conservatives. They like to call themselves "conservative" to get votes.....but most of them have no idea how to BE conservative.

BTW - this is just another goofy "feel good" law that the Utah RINO's are so proud of passing. It will never be enforced. (even if it is passed) Ask any cop you know how many tickets he's written for "smoking in the park", or "idling your car too long".

You'll get a big laugh!!

Also, IF Utah ever does eliminate smoking entirely; all our tax bills will be going up significantly. Smokers pay for ALL the cost of SCHIP (healthcare for kids).

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" one thing your ilk has never understood is when something going from being a freedom to stupidity.

When a perceived freedom takes away another person's rights, it is not a freedom. For example freedom of speech cannot be used when yelling fire in a crowded theater becuase of the danger that it puts to the life of others. The same can be said for smoking with children in a confined space. If you want to kill yourself with tobacco, go ahead, but don't take innocent children along. (This is different from gun violence beucase the underlying cause was mental illness and not guns.)

Another thing that your ilk fails to recognize is the simple fact that smoking is not in the constitution, and therefore is not a protected freedom. Thanks to the 10th ammendment, it is up to the states to figure out what to do.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
To "LDS Liberal" one thing your ilk has never understood is when something going from being a freedom to stupidity.

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Which is it RedShirt?
More Freedom and Less Government as you preach or
more Government for the safety of others as I preach?

Persoanlly, I'm FOR it.
I signed a petition for a State inititive in Washington State like this one...
out-lawing 2nd hand smoke in personal vehicles with minors.

and that makes an "evil" Liberal becasue I have little problem with government intevening and taking away someone's unbridled personal freedom if it's in the best interest of public safety, protection of minors and for the common good.

So, Do you now agree with me that Government needs to restrict some freedoms,
or don't you?

You "ilk" needs to show some integrity, and be consistant.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I'm a huge proponent of more freedom/less regulation. On the other hand, I remember being stuck in a hot (no a/c) car as a kid nearly choking on smoke. I'm glad most parents have wised up but some just refuse.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" how can government restrict a freedom that was never a freedom in the first place? We never had the freedom to kill other people slowly or quickly.

The government has always ensured that your freedom does not take away mine. There is no hypocrisy or restrictions, just mutually assured freedom. You can kill yourself with tobacco, and you can't expose your passengers to the carcinogens in the smoke.

Go back and read my previous post before spouting your leftist propaganda.

not here
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO

I have a question to all you do-gooder's in Utah. Has any of you includeing your fools on the hill taken any time to see much money the state will lose in taxs when every one stops smokeing or go's over the boder to buy them? No you have not. And stop and think you all can go back to whineing and complaining when you have to take another tax increace.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
To "LDS Liberal" how can government restrict a freedom that was never a freedom in the first place? We never had the freedom to kill other people slowly or quickly.

The government has always ensured that your freedom does not take away mine. There is no hypocrisy or restrictions, just mutually assured freedom. You can kill yourself with tobacco, and you can't expose your passengers to the carcinogens in the smoke.

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So then,
You must agree with me and Utah's Surgeon General that the same applies to gas guzzling vehicles, RioTinto [Kennecott], and Energy Soultions operation being held accountable and responsible in part for the 400+ respritory deaths annually attributed to Salt Lake's poor air quailty?

Again -- I'm just asking you to show integrity and to be consistant.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

TO "LDS Liberal" nice propaganda piece.

The sames does not apply to the gas guzzling vehicles, Rio Tinto, or Energy Solutions. because the connection to any one source is not a strong link. For example, there are more respitory problems in Park City than there are in in Salt Lake. There is not a positive link between the two. Also, prior to the 1980's, the air quality was worse than it is today, yet there were fewer respitory problems. If those sources were the cause, why are there more respitory problem now than in the 1980's?

Again, be consistant. Just because you don't like something does not mean it is wrong.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

This is just another silly 'message' bill. It won't stop one person from smoking their own vehicle but it will waste a lot of my money as this thing goes through the legislative process.

Dektol
Powell, OH

Smoking in a vehicle or enclosed area with children is child abuse. I still suffer from being forced to breathe the tobacco smoke for years as a child - and I am not in my 50's. Prosecute those who sujbect children to this abuse. This is not religion, it is a health issue.

rfpeterlin
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ LDS Liberal ... an assualt weapon in the room cannot be inhaled and scare the lungs of that small child. Whereas an appreciation of the correct techniques required to utilize an assualt weapon will generate tighter shot patterns. Too, the second amendment does not extend to the right to cause lung diesease in innocent bystanders. There is a long standing idea that the state has the right to protect children, even from their own parents, from injurious behavior. Jurisdictions around the world have adopted legislation to require smoke free zones in public spaces ... the air inside of an automobile has less volume than say in a diner or theater, so how is the injury to the child any less than in an open space.

I loathe government intervetion, but the biological ability to sire a child does not imprint the right to damage that child! Liberal logic applied to preserve instead of tear down individual rights ... and the individual rights are those of the child!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

rfpeterlin
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I loathe government intervetion, but the biological ability to sire a child does not imprint the right to damage that child! Liberal logic applied to preserve instead of tear down individual rights ... and the individual rights are those of the child!

5:40 a.m. Jan. 8, 2013

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You didn't read my comments.
I'm FOR this sort of Government intervention.
I voted for it in another State already.
So you are agreeing WITH me.

As for the gun deaths vs. respratory realted deaths,
more people die in Utah from poor air quailty than guns or vehicles.

I think we should do something about ALL of them.

[But that would require Government restrictions and regulations -- something I fight with the Neo-Con "Let me free AND irrsponsible" here daily.]

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