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Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I'm a veteran who loves this country too.
and I've got NEWS for you -- Everybody pays taxes.

Even a homeless begger pays taxes,
even it's just on that $1 cup of coffee.
So this letter is wrong from the git-'go.

If you are referring for Mitt Romney's 47% not paying Federal Income tax.
Then say, "Mitt Romney's 47% who do not pay Federal Income tax."
Be Specific.

Saying nearly half of Americans don't pay ANY tax is a flat-out lie.
Why does the DN publish such factless non-sense?

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

There are a lot of problems with this letter, but I just point out one significant factual error. Half of the contry do not pay any taxes. First you have to exclude all the children then you have to understand that there are all kinds of taxes that are paid by the proverbial 47%. They pay sales taxes, property taxes, State Income Taxes, Social Security witholding taxes, and many others. What the author fails to mention is that this discussion is really about Federal income taxes. And yes, there are many who under the law don't make enough money to be above the poverty level as adjusted for their personal situation like the number of dependants they must support, or that they have a disability like blindess.

And if you want to get after "persons" who pay no federal income taxes, perhaps you should mention the giant corporations who employ a bevy of accountants just to avoid paying any taxes at all.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Lundgreen, please share your successful techniques for squeezing blood from turnips. Then go have your Mercedes detailed while you agonize over the utter injustice of les miserables, who struggle to live on less than you make in interest on your investments, being free from the oppressive burden of income taxation that you bear on their behalf.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Welcome to socialism America, where the majority can vote the minority out of their money until no one has any money, especially those not born yet!

one old man
Ogden, UT

Please turn off the hate radio and try to learn something that is true.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Mountanman, if this is "socialist America," then when you consider that corporate profits are at an all-time record high, unions are being decimated, and the accelerating concentration of wealth into the hands of the nation's top 1%, you'd have to conclude that we're actually really bad at being socialists.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

A basically good man lost the presidency of the United States of America stating similar 47 percent nonsense. Most lumberjacks and sheepherders pay taxes.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Blue. Corporate profits are at an all time high? Name one, please without making up your facts.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I would love to find this mythical non-tax paying American. I have yet to meet one. From the sounds of it, they must all be hiding in Utah and Idaho.

I think most reasonable people understand we have a spending problem, but there are those who think telling fantasy stories about mythical people who are living off the hard work of others, not paying any taxes, is a scary statement of where real honesty and values rest.

We can argue about how to get to where need to go.... but to pretend that my mom (a 47%er) who now lives with me and my family is a freeloader on society because she pays no income tax ANYMORE, although she pays all kids of other taxes, is worthy of demonization really show how base some fractions of the conservative movement has become.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

July 26, 2012

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Exxon Mobil reported a quarterly profit of nearly $16 billion Thursday -- the highest ever for a U.S. corporation."

December 4, 2012 (CNNMoney)

Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed

"In the third quarter, corporate earnings were $1.75 trillion, up 18.6% from a year ago, according to last week'si gross domestic product report. That took after-tax profits to their greatest percentage of GDP in history.

But the record profits come at the same time that workers' wages have fallen to their lowest-ever share of GDP. "

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Mountanman: "@ Blue. Corporate profits are at an all time high? Name one, please without making up your facts.@

Forbes, December 4, 2012.

"3rd Quarter Corporate Profits Reach Record High - Worker Pay Hits Record Low"

one old man
Ogden, UT

"Corporate profits are at an all time high? Name one, please without making up your facts."

Uh, okay, can you provide anything to back this statement? There are dozens of reliable sources out there. Hate radio commentators are not reliable sources.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Get a grip. The top marginal tax rate is less than half of what it was when Eisenhower was president. The very rich and Corporate America paid a larger share of taxes then than they do now.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

@mountainman... you asked....

"As a share of gross domestic product, corporate profits also have been increasing, and they now represent 11.2 percent of total output. That is the highest share since the fourth quarter of 2006, when they accounted for 11.7 percent of output." - Commerce Department.

Now I am sure you will not consider that a reliable source so lets try another... Disney from their own press release;

"Walt Disney Company Finishes Fiscal 2012 With Record Revenue And Profit"

"Chairman and CEO Bob Iger summed up Disney’s fiscal year 2012 as , “a great year for Disney by every measure — creatively, financially and strategically.”

The Disney theme parks and resorts led among all of the company’s divisions in terms of percentage gains for profit and revenue. With it’s 4th quarter profit a pleasingly 18% above last year and a whopping 22% increase from the year before as well!"

There lots more of these... not enough room to put them all

So Mountainman - it wasn't hard at all for fine "one" example - which begs the question of where in the heck do you get your information?

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

We should totally simplify the tax code. What is your income? Pay x percent. No deductions, period. Flat tax. We would eliminate a lot of useless jobs at the IRS and for sneaky accountants. We would get the rich to actually pay the rate instead of deducting it all. Same for corporations. 75% of the people would understand the sacrifice that paying income tax really is, and they would demand that elected folks be more careful with where the money goes. It would solve a multitude of problems.

I really think a progressive tax would be better for the workers of our country EXCEPT that it breeds a whole class of people who think that if someone has more than another person, they should be obligated to give them the difference. In fact it has come down to more of a kamikaze attitude that some of the lower class have, that if they are poor, they want to take the whole country down with them.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Old man; Hate speech, what's that? Anything you don't agree with? That is very irrational.

Blue. OK, you win, oil companies are doing well. Some examples of many that are not are; Eastman Kodak lost 85% of their stock value last year, Office Max lost 75%, Bank of America (even after the bailout) lost 61%, Sears lost 34%, Best Buy lost 32%,Hewlett-Packard lost 38%, Washington Post lost 20% and the list goes on. "Green Energy" companies are dropping like flies, even after getting massive cash infusions from the government.
Clearly, all American corporations are not doing well. And then there are the coal companies.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Part II

We should require our congress and president to agree on a budget which is no larger than the previous year's revenue, period. They may only spend money we actually have, up to the amount of the previous year's revenue. Once it is used, any additional money that comes in that year pays down the debt. If we go to war, we better have a budget for it, or decide where to take it from, in advance.

We have many money savvy leaders in our nation, but they are held hostage by a class of voters who will only vote for them if they spend beyond our means, and make it look like they are punishing the successful. It is lunacy.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

"It is unfortunate because roughly half the people who pay no taxes expect to be supported by the roughly half who do pay taxes."

The fantasy world inhabited by Republicans and the outrageous spin-cycle they have fallen into are a significant cause of concern for our country.

What this sort of nonsense masks is the real question we should all be asking: Why are there so many Americans who cannot earn enough to qualify to pay federal income tax?

If the Republicans could put all their creative energies into answering that question instead of making stuff up so that they can bolster their dysfunctional ideology, perhaps I would vote for one of them. But until they start recognizing the root causes of the symptoms they so arrogantly detest, they will become increasingly irrelevant to solving any problems except extracting lint from their own navels.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

I completely agree. I think it's horrible that people whose income is entirely from investments pay nothing towards Social Security or Medicare. Payroll taxes should cover, not just people who receive a paycheck, but everyone.
Oh, you're talking about federal income tax. Yeah, that's a tax that's not intended for poor people. That's how it was designed. So the fact that some people don't pay it is no big deal.
That's kind of how taxes work. Different taxes for people in different categories. For example, I did not pay a dime in estate taxes last year. I managed that by not dying.

Liberal Today
Murray, UT

""It is unfortunate because roughly half the people who pay no taxes expect to be supported by the roughly half who do pay taxes."

The fantasy world inhabited by Republicans and the outrageous spin-cycle they have fallen into are a significant cause of concern for our country."

Wrong!! this is reality. I meet these people all the time. I hear them on TV. I am one of them. No one pays income tax who isn't really rich. The rich half of the country really does need to support us. We can't do it on our own. They rich have taken sooo much away from the poor and they are just sitting on all that money. The only way to get it is to tax it out of them. Then it can go back into circulation and be spent again and stimulate the economy.

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