Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
I'm a veteran who loves this country too.and I've got NEWS for
you -- Everybody pays taxes.Even a homeless begger pays taxes, even it's just on that $1 cup of coffee.So this letter is wrong
from the git-'go.If you are referring for Mitt Romney's
47% not paying Federal Income tax.Then say, "Mitt Romney's 47%
who do not pay Federal Income tax."Be Specific.Saying
nearly half of Americans don't pay ANY tax is a flat-out lie.Why does
the DN publish such factless non-sense?
There are a lot of problems with this letter, but I just point out one
significant factual error. Half of the contry do not pay any taxes. First you
have to exclude all the children then you have to understand that there are all
kinds of taxes that are paid by the proverbial 47%. They pay sales taxes,
property taxes, State Income Taxes, Social Security witholding taxes, and many
others. What the author fails to mention is that this discussion is really about
Federal income taxes. And yes, there are many who under the law don't make
enough money to be above the poverty level as adjusted for their personal
situation like the number of dependants they must support, or that they have a
disability like blindess.And if you want to get after
"persons" who pay no federal income taxes, perhaps you should mention
the giant corporations who employ a bevy of accountants just to avoid paying any
taxes at all.
Mr. Lundgreen, please share your successful techniques for squeezing blood from
turnips. Then go have your Mercedes detailed while you agonize over the utter
injustice of les miserables, who struggle to live on less than you make in
interest on your investments, being free from the oppressive burden of income
taxation that you bear on their behalf.
Welcome to socialism America, where the majority can vote the minority out of
their money until no one has any money, especially those not born yet!
Please turn off the hate radio and try to learn something that is true.
Mountanman, if this is "socialist America," then when you consider that
corporate profits are at an all-time record high, unions are being decimated,
and the accelerating concentration of wealth into the hands of the nation's
top 1%, you'd have to conclude that we're actually really bad at being
A basically good man lost the presidency of the United States of America stating
similar 47 percent nonsense. Most lumberjacks and sheepherders pay taxes.
@ Blue. Corporate profits are at an all time high? Name one, please without
making up your facts.
I would love to find this mythical non-tax paying American. I have yet to meet
one. From the sounds of it, they must all be hiding in Utah and Idaho. I think most reasonable people understand we have a spending problem,
but there are those who think telling fantasy stories about mythical people who
are living off the hard work of others, not paying any taxes, is a scary
statement of where real honesty and values rest.We can argue about
how to get to where need to go.... but to pretend that my mom (a 47%er) who now
lives with me and my family is a freeloader on society because she pays no
income tax ANYMORE, although she pays all kids of other taxes, is worthy of
demonization really show how base some fractions of the conservative movement
July 26, 2012"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Exxon Mobil reported a
quarterly profit of nearly $16 billion Thursday -- the highest ever for a U.S.
corporation."December 4, 2012 (CNNMoney)Corporate
profits hit record as wages get squeezed"In the third quarter,
corporate earnings were $1.75 trillion, up 18.6% from a year ago, according to
last week'si gross domestic product report. That took after-tax profits to
their greatest percentage of GDP in history.But the record profits
come at the same time that workers' wages have fallen to their lowest-ever
share of GDP. "
Mountanman: "@ Blue. Corporate profits are at an all time high? Name one,
please without making up your facts.@Forbes, December 4, 2012."3rd Quarter Corporate Profits Reach Record High - Worker Pay Hits
"Corporate profits are at an all time high? Name one, please without making
up your facts."Uh, okay, can you provide anything to back this
statement? There are dozens of reliable sources out there. Hate radio
commentators are not reliable sources.
Get a grip. The top marginal tax rate is less than half of what it was when
Eisenhower was president. The very rich and Corporate America paid a larger
share of taxes then than they do now.
@mountainman... you asked...."As a share of gross domestic
product, corporate profits also have been increasing, and they now represent
11.2 percent of total output. That is the highest share since the fourth quarter
of 2006, when they accounted for 11.7 percent of output." - Commerce
Department.Now I am sure you will not consider that a reliable
source so lets try another... Disney from their own press release;"Walt Disney Company Finishes Fiscal 2012 With Record Revenue And
Profit""Chairman and CEO Bob Iger summed up Disney’s
fiscal year 2012 as , “a great year for Disney by every measure —
creatively, financially and strategically.”The Disney theme
parks and resorts led among all of the company’s divisions in terms of
percentage gains for profit and revenue. With it’s 4th quarter profit a
pleasingly 18% above last year and a whopping 22% increase from the year before
as well!"There lots more of these... not enough room to put
them allSo Mountainman - it wasn't hard at all for fine
"one" example - which begs the question of where in the heck do you get
We should totally simplify the tax code. What is your income? Pay x percent. No
deductions, period. Flat tax. We would eliminate a lot of useless jobs at the
IRS and for sneaky accountants. We would get the rich to actually pay the rate
instead of deducting it all. Same for corporations. 75% of the people would
understand the sacrifice that paying income tax really is, and they would demand
that elected folks be more careful with where the money goes. It would solve a
multitude of problems. I really think a progressive tax would be
better for the workers of our country EXCEPT that it breeds a whole class of
people who think that if someone has more than another person, they should be
obligated to give them the difference. In fact it has come down to more of a
kamikaze attitude that some of the lower class have, that if they are poor, they
want to take the whole country down with them.
Old man; Hate speech, what's that? Anything you don't agree with? That
is very irrational.Blue. OK, you win, oil companies are doing well.
Some examples of many that are not are; Eastman Kodak lost 85% of their stock
value last year, Office Max lost 75%, Bank of America (even after the bailout)
lost 61%, Sears lost 34%, Best Buy lost 32%,Hewlett-Packard lost 38%, Washington
Post lost 20% and the list goes on. "Green Energy" companies are
dropping like flies, even after getting massive cash infusions from the
government. Clearly, all American corporations are not doing well. And
then there are the coal companies.
Part IIWe should require our congress and president to agree on a
budget which is no larger than the previous year's revenue, period. They
may only spend money we actually have, up to the amount of the previous
year's revenue. Once it is used, any additional money that comes in that
year pays down the debt. If we go to war, we better have a budget for it, or
decide where to take it from, in advance. We have many money savvy
leaders in our nation, but they are held hostage by a class of voters who will
only vote for them if they spend beyond our means, and make it look like they
are punishing the successful. It is lunacy.
"It is unfortunate because roughly half the people who pay no taxes expect
to be supported by the roughly half who do pay taxes."The
fantasy world inhabited by Republicans and the outrageous spin-cycle they have
fallen into are a significant cause of concern for our country.What
this sort of nonsense masks is the real question we should all be asking: Why
are there so many Americans who cannot earn enough to qualify to pay federal
income tax?If the Republicans could put all their creative energies
into answering that question instead of making stuff up so that they can bolster
their dysfunctional ideology, perhaps I would vote for one of them. But until
they start recognizing the root causes of the symptoms they so arrogantly
detest, they will become increasingly irrelevant to solving any problems except
extracting lint from their own navels.
I completely agree. I think it's horrible that people whose income is
entirely from investments pay nothing towards Social Security or Medicare.
Payroll taxes should cover, not just people who receive a paycheck, but
everyone. Oh, you're talking about federal income tax. Yeah,
that's a tax that's not intended for poor people. That's how it
was designed. So the fact that some people don't pay it is no big deal.That's kind of how taxes work. Different taxes for people in different
categories. For example, I did not pay a dime in estate taxes last year. I
managed that by not dying.
""It is unfortunate because roughly half the people who pay no taxes
expect to be supported by the roughly half who do pay taxes."The
fantasy world inhabited by Republicans and the outrageous spin-cycle they have
fallen into are a significant cause of concern for our country."Wrong!! this is reality. I meet these people all the time. I hear them on TV.
I am one of them. No one pays income tax who isn't really rich. The rich
half of the country really does need to support us. We can't do it on our
own. They rich have taken sooo much away from the poor and they are just sitting
on all that money. The only way to get it is to tax it out of them. Then it can
go back into circulation and be spent again and stimulate the economy.
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