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Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Emajor
Ogden, UT

Considering that a handgun in the home is more likely to be used against the home's occupants than against an intruder, I would say the burden of evidence is on those who want armed teachers. They need to prove that the rate of accidents from guns in the classroom is virtually nonexistent, or you will end up with more casualties nationwide than from all of the school shootings combined. Mr. Burrell raises some excellent points, and I will value his opinion many times over that of Wayne LaPierre.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Not only is it not "wise", it is in fact profoundly stupid.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

The problem with arming teachers is obvious, you aren't really arming teachers, you are arming the students. Almost any well conditioned student can easily over power a weak or unsuspecting teacher.

Maybe we should only hire teachers who are ex-police officers or members of special forces units, doesn't anyone remember Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop".

one old man
Ogden, UT

Wow. Some actual wisdom in a letter to the editor.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Emajor. Then who is going to protect our children? The inconvenient truth is that bad guys with guns can only be stopped by good guys with guns and the police can't protect your children any more than they did at Sandy Hook or any other school. Bad people will always get guns and no gun control law can or will stop them!

higv
Dietrich, ID

If someone knew teachers were armed I think they might be afraid. In fact mall shooting in Oregon and I beleive another shooting some time ago a teacher there got a gun and lives were saved there.

one old man
Ogden, UT

I was talking last night with a friend who is an expert on gangs in Utah. He works with the Utah Attorney General's office. Although he is pro-gun, he has some serious concerns with the lack of adequate background checks, the gun show loophole, and the fact that before being prohibited from possessing a gun, a person must have been convicted of a felony.

According to him, at least two thirds of gang members cannot be restricted from packing. Most have fairly extensive records of misdemeanors, but no felonies -- yet. It is not unusual for police agencies to have to return weapons to gang bangers because their possession of the weapon is permitted under current law and the Second Amendment. Because there is no registration of gun serial numbers, there is no way of learning if the gun has been stolen.

He also points out that in almost every case of a gun being used in domestic violence, the gun was lawfully possessed by the shooter. Even though the shooter may have had a long history of previous violence, nothing can be done until he crosses the line from misdemeanor to felony.

Something to think about?

one old man
Ogden, UT

higv, it has been reported that the guy who claimed to have stopped the shooting in the Oregon mall wasn't in the vicinity when it happened.

ECR
Burke, VA

Mountainman said,,,for the upteenth time, "... bad guys with guns can only be stopped by good guys with guns..."

OK. You win. I get what you're saying. But as long as you say that I will say this:

Deaths caused by firearms in 2011 included these numbers for developed countries:

Unted States - 10.2 per 100,000 population
Germany - 1.05 per 100,000 population
United Kingson - 0.25 per 100,000 population
Japan - 0.07 per 100,000 population

So i genuinely want to know, what makes the difference? Why so many more deaths in this country? Are we just bad people?

I think there is another answer but I want someone, in a responsiublke position, to explain these numbers to us all. Then, and only then, can we have a meaningful conversation about how to stop the killing.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

higv
Dietrich, ID
If someone knew teachers were armed I think they might be afraid.

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...and I don't think a mentally ill person, with a death-wish, 2 assault rifles, 1,000 rounds of ammo, and a bullet proof vest is afraid of a Kindergarten teacher with a 9mm and a 7 round clip at all.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

ECR. Its the culture. For example, when Japan suffered the tsunami, there was virtually no looting. Compare that with what happened during the last two hurricanes in America, especially in New Orleans.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Good, sensible letter. Nicely done, sir. And I honor your service to our country.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Mountanman
Hayden, ID
ECR. Its the culture. For example, when Japan suffered the tsunami, there was virtually no looting. Compare that with what happened during the last two hurricanes in America, especially in New Orleans.

9:09 a.m. Jan. 7, 2013

Unted States - 10.2 per 100,000 population
Germany - 1.05 per 100,000 population
United Kingson - 0.25 per 100,000 population
Japan - 0.07 per 100,000 population

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The Culture?

Japan is a SOCIALIST nation,
So is Germany and the UK.

Perhaps the Gun-toutiing,
anything for a buck,
Me, Myself, and I,
get off my property or I'll shoot,
selfishness,
of a paranoid America who thinks that the Government, their friends, neighbors, family and everyone around them is somehow out to get them,
is the REAL problem?

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

There are bad cops too. Shall we take all police guns away?

You trust your kids to a teacher all day long. How does their having a gun change who they are? Having a gun doesn't suddenly make them into a ruthless killer. These are highly qualified, responsible people. Who better to take the responsibility for a weapon and the safety of our kids.

If you don't trust a teacher with a gun to take care of your children, you shouldn't trust them with your kids at all. A gun is only one way a teacher might harm a child. They might humiliate them, or hurt their feelings, or molest them. They might stab them with scissors. You just never know.

And the anti-gun folks think the pro-second amendment folks are paranoid. Your fear of the presence of a gun is paranoia.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

EMajor: So the burden is on gun owners and their advocates to prove that exercising their right will not have any negative effects before they will have that right protected. Is that what you are saying?

If so, why don't we extend that logic to all the other rights protected by the constitution? Lots of people abuse the right of free speech (slander, libel, hate, etc.). Do we make someone prove that they will do none of those things before we grant them free speech?

Freedom of the press has been abused numerous times by so-called "journalists" printing lies, exaggerations, and selective omissions. Do we make them prove that none of that abuse will happen before we "allow" a free press?

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

If teachers want to carry concealed, are judged mentally sound, and are willing to go through extensive training, they should be supported and allowed to do so. Concealed carry permit holders have been shown to be much more law abiding than the general public.

As for the unhinged teacher 38 years ago, I don't think he/she would have passed today's required FBI background check, as well as the mental evaluation and extensive training (above).

I think my children are safer at a school where competent, well-trained teachers and administrators are allowed to carry concealed. If something bad starts, the teachers are already there on the job, in the best position to take quick action if needed to protect the kids. We should let them.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

How sad --

When I was a kid, we feared knowing the Pricipal had a Paddle in the closet.

Today, kids might fear knowing the Pricipal has a Glock 17 in the closet.

I also feared a certain 5th grade teacher who was known to fly off the handle and abuse kids at times.
Throwing papers, kicking garbage cans, and slapping rulers was a weekly occurance.
We were scared half to death.

I know times have changed, but I don't feel better thinking my kids or grandkids would somehow be made safer knowing these types of short-fused "teachers" could be now be legally packing heat.

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The answer is home shcooling

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "ECR" the problem with your statistics is the simple fact that they don't reflect the overall homicide rate. If guns are the problem, then explain why the nations with the highest homicide rates also have low gun ownership rates?

For example, in 2010 Honduras lead the world in murders, yet they only have 6.2 guns per 100 people. Your ilk's logic can't explain why they would have such a high murder rate with so few guns.

The other problem that your ilk has is the simple fact that once you take away guns, the mentally ill will just switch to knives, swords, or other similar things.

If you want to see what happens when you take away the guns, look to Japan. Read about the Akihabara massacre where a man killed 4 and injured 8 people using a survival knife. Banning guns is not the solution since crazy people will find a way to kill. The root of the problem is the mental condition of the populace.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Once again, this letter points out that mental health is the issue of concern, not the presence or absence of guns. Guns can't shoot themselves.

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