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Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

" . . . the history of this one suggests that ideological rigidity can be overcome by those who are willing and experienced enough to know how to make a deal. It is past time for those skills to re-emerge as the norm in Washington."

Amen and Amen.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Instead of "Ideological rigidity can be overcome" the headline might be more accurate if it read: "Ideological stupidity can be overcome."

We have just learned that the Sandy relief bill was loaded with pork of all kinds. MUCH of it will go directly to four or five RED states. According to an article in Forbes, it had wide bi-partisan support because it was a way to ensure that certain Republican fiscal hawks would not try a filibuster. In other words, the pork was a way of buying their votes.

Then there were all but one of Utah's Congressional delegation who voted against the bill, but only because they knew it would pass and their NO vote would be regarded by gullible Utah Tea Party types as some sort of victory.

What needs to happen is for news media nationwide to ferret out and expose the full list of which Congressional districts received this pork, which legislators sponsored the pork, and exactly who will benefit from it.

Only when they are exposed will voters have a chance of stopping the sleazy shenanigans and hypocrisy of our lawmakers.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

Well said, Mr. Bennett.

The Democrats and Republicans in Congress (in all of Washington, really) need to understand that neither side is going to get everything it wants; that the current fiscal trajectory is unsustainable; that their current method of governing (and I use that term very loosely) is also unsustainable; and consequently, that EVERYTHING needs to be on the table in order to negotiate a fair deal that favorably changes the fiscal trajectory. A balanced budget and debt reduction are not going to happen right away without causing another economic downturn; but, if Congress and the President can come together to make an incremental favorable change to the fiscal trajectory, and they can commit to making more incremental favorable changes on a regular basis, then we can hopefully get to a point where federal budgets are balanced and real debt reduction is taking place, without throwing the nation into another recession, or worse.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@one old man

I wish that were the case but unfortunately politics doesn’t seem to work that way. Our entire system of government was founded on compromise and “horse trading” (the movie “Lincoln” captures this quite well). As ugly as the sausage making process is, pork is what greases the wheels of the machine. Without it all we get are partisan zealots “standing on principle” yelling at each other and gridlock… sound familiar?

Since doling out a little pork to congressman X (in return for his/her vote) is small potatoes compared to passing major legislation (entitlement reform, tax reform, etc…), if anything we need more pork to start to move things forward.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Funny --
GW Bush wins, and Republicans to this very day squeal that it's all Obama's fault!

Just goes to show who's looking at and dealing with facts and reality,
and who's blindly listening to AM hate radio.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Tyler, unfortunately, you are probably correct. But it's still disgusting.

I sure would be nice to try running the nation without it. And only by educating voters regarding the truth behind it all is there any chance things might change.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@LDS Liberal
The assumption that anyone with a different opinion is "blindly listening to AM hate radio" is a perfect example of "ideological rigidity".

It is ironic that many on the far left are traumatized by the fact that radio, cable and the internet have spawned a whole new form of media that can get around the censorship and propaganda of the big three networks and traditional print sources (AP, etc). Shouldn't the left be celebrating diversity of thought? Or perhaps the PC crowd was never really serious about all that tolerance and diversity stuff in the first place. Or maybe (to mirror your logic back at you), they merely spend too much time watching MSNBC hate television.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Counter Intelligence -- If only those "news" sources were accurate I would be thrilled. But they are just echo chambers of ideology, not truth. E.g. on Fox you heard that Romney was sure to win. Not true. On Fox you heard that Susan Rice willfully told lies about Benghazi. Now we've learned that it was the CIA and other intelligence groups that put out the talking points she used. Again, incorrect for partisan reasons. I could go on and on. If you want facts, you have to also watch/listen to/read unbiased news sources. Sometimes the facts don't agree with your ideology. It doesn't mean those facts have a liberal slant. It means they are facts. And no, I do not think MSNBC is unbiased, so don't even go there. I never watch it, just as I never watch Fox. I don't need and I don't want spin.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Frank Luntz, Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Laura Ingrahm, Ann Colter et al., would beg to disagree with Lobbyist-In-Waiting Bob Bennett

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT
@LDS Liberal

Sometimes the facts don't agree with your ideology. It doesn't mean those facts have a liberal slant. It means they are facts. And no, I do not think MSNBC is unbiased, so don't even go there. I never watch it, just as I never watch Fox. I don't need and I don't want spin.

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My "facts" and news come from basically from 2 sources....
The Deseret News, and the 35 minutes of KSL at 10:00pm braodcast, both owned and operated by the LDS Church.

For entertainment, I listen to 8 minutes of Glenn Beck in the morning, 5 minutes of Rush Limbaugh during lunch and 8 minutes of Sean Hannity on my way home.

That way I can easily tell who's been listening to and and parroting AM hate radio on a daily basis.

We don't waste our money on cable TV, so your assumption of my being biased by MSNBC or even FoxNews is a moot point.

If my opinions are not being formed on truthful reporting -- blame the LDS news outlets.
I do not always agree, but I trust them the most.

I form my own opinions.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Shouldn't the left be celebrating diversity of thought?"

If it were honest, factful, or just opinion.... yes! But when it is laced with unsupported half truths, opinions passed along as facts, etc... no.

Just a couple of days ago a poster posted that all these cities had their hightest murder rates yet - about 10 of them. Of the 10, 1 was it's hightest. The rest were a full 20 to 30 percent off their highs. And yet these statements were passed on as facts.

I have absolutely no issue with people who bring up data points that show me where my assumptions are wrong. I would rather deal with the truth, than have these silly conversation based on some narrative, usually spawned by some radio show shock jock, that the story is based on selective and mirrepresentations, and sometimes full blown lies.

Your point should be supportable with true facts - not just ones you wish or hope are true. If what you believe in isn't supportable under close inspection, then perhaps its time to readjucts your position. If you gotta lie to make your point... and it applies to BOTH sides.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@Wonder
In the New York Times you heard that racial epitaphs were hurled at the CBC walking through a Tea Party Rally. Not true; despite a $100,000 reward, no one could provide any evidence, yet the Times never bothered to confront those who lied. On NBC you heard that knowledge about Bengahzi unfolded over a matter of weeks. Now we've learned that the Defense Department watched the the attack on video drone and knew there was NO mob; yet put out the talking points for Susan Rice to use (just prior to an election). Again, media fails to confront the Administration's lies for partisan reasons.

Your assumption that only one side is inaccurate or biased is naive. I am glad there are alternate sources.

@LDS Liberal
You are quoting Wonder, not me
If you limit your sources; how do you know that the story doesn't appear somewhere besides talk radio, or that LDS sources did NOT pick up a story?

@UtahBlueDevil
"If you gotta lie to make your point... and it applies to BOTH sides."

I agree. So why defend the assumption that disagreement with a liberal automatically means "blindly listening to AM hate radio"?

wrz
Ogden, UT

"Ideological rigidity can be overcome"

Tell that to Obama who now thinks he's king. He and Chavez would make a good team.

@one old man:
"We have just learned that the Sandy relief bill was loaded with pork of all kinds. MUCH of it will go directly to four or five RED states."

That's what's called 'bringing home the bacon.' Also, remember: 'To the victors go the spoils.'

@LDS Liberal:
"GW Bush wins, and Republicans to this very day squeal that it's all Obama's fault!"

Certainly the unprecedented run-up of the national debt is Obama's 'fault.' No, not fault, 'doing.' It can't be described as a 'fault' since he planned it.

"Just goes to show who's looking at and dealing with facts and reality,
and who's blindly listening to AM hate radio."

The facts and reality are that we are on a path to ruination as a nation and Obama is making giant strides to that end... with seemingly no regrets.

one old man
Ogden, UT

wrz, in one short post, you have managed to accomplish all the things others here have warned against.

And, despite your proclamations regarding Obama's alleged spending spree, you still favor pork -- or as you put it, "bringing home the bacon."

Thanks for so clearly exposing your hypocrisy.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

re: wrz 5:48 p.m. Jan. 7, 2013

"Tell that to Obama who now thinks he's king. He and Chavez would make a good team."

What about Dubya & Mad Vlad from Moscow a few yrs ago?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

The CIA had an extensive presence in Benghazi, and that the two former Navy SEALs who died in the assault, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, were contractors working for the agency.

According to documents released by the House Oversight Committee, when the Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy signed an order last December to maintain a presence in the Benghazi compound for another year, his official memo counted 35 "U.S. government personnel," of whom only eight were State Department. Many of the rest were secretly with the CIA, the official confirmed.

The U.S. official noted that at no point in the October congressional hearing did any of the State Department officials testifying use the word "consulate" to describe the Benghazi compound. This was no accident. In fact, the compound served little routine diplomatic purpose, and was largely under the operational control of the CIA.

The involvement of the CIA may justify some of the evident disarray around the administration's handling of the attacks. When secret agencies are involved, public explanations can be treacherous, and officials will go out of their way to avoid exposing the agency's role, especially if the operations could be ongoing.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@one old man:
"wrz, in one short post, you have managed to accomplish all ... things..."

True. Few have my exquisite talent.

"And, despite your proclamations regarding Obama's alleged spending spree, you still favor pork -- or as you put it, 'bringing home the bacon.'"

You misconstrued my point. I merely stated fact. I didn't say I favored it. Politicians view their job as bringing something back to the folks at home... so they'll vote for him the next go-round... which is greed. And, of course, taking the spoils after a victory is more greed.

@Hank Pym:
"What about Dubya & Mad Vlad from Moscow a few yrs ago?"

Obama and Chavez are both socialists. Vlad might have been socialist but Bush surely wasn't. Big difference. And of course, Chavez has found a way to be dictator for life... Obama's associates, with his tacit approval, are contemplating the same arrangement as we speak.

Mr. Bean
Ogden, UT

@Truthseeker:
"The involvement of the CIA may justify some of the evident disarray around the administration's handling of the attacks. When secret agencies are involved, public explanations can be treacherous, and officials will go out of their way to avoid exposing the agency's role, especially if the operations could be ongoing."

I think I'm finally getting it... The CIA is a secret organization... so, to protect that secrecy the Obama Administration had to accuse a trailer film for the carnage in Benghazi. It is certainly comforting to finally get a full and detailed explanation. I'm feeling much better now.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

What is sad, is that our elected officials cannot do the "right thing" unless they are bribed (pork sent their way).

Tax cuts are easy. Everyone, even democrats, like lower taxes.

Now, lets see the associated spending cuts.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

Counter Intelligence,

"Epitaphs"?

Really?

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