Published: Saturday, Jan. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Okay, let's try again to please the DN censors.This letter can
equally apply to the reactions of conservatives when something controversial
doesn't go the way they want it to go. Rush and Glenn and others who use
hate radio to stir the masses begin bleating loudly and various conservative
publications editorialize endlessly.Perhaps the real problem is that
Americans on all sides act like spoiled children rather than thinking adults.Could that be the reason why Congress cannot accomplish anything?
I know you won't get it but it's a 180 degree difference to give
rights to people rather than take them away. So you will find a lot
of opposition to keep gays from having rights and liberals will have a lot of
trouble trying to restrict conservatives guns. See, it's not all that
different is it?
God gives people rights, not the government! At least that is what our founding
fathers believed and wrote a constitution that limits the power of the
government. Liberals think the government is God and thou shalt have no other
Gods before the government! King George really knew what was best for those
naughty patriots didn't he liberals?
T.G. Mahas,Yes, we liberals will continue to fight for social
justice because that is what we do. Your comment about
"protecting traditional marriage" is simply disingenuous. Denying
marriage rights to some does nothing to "protect" those rights for
others. Traditional marriage will be just as it is, if not stronger, by
including everyone who wants and deserves it.
Funny thing is that the naughty patriots were indeed LIBERALS. In those days,
the conservatives were called Tories.Sometimes history is downright
inconvenient, isn't it?
Mountanman,I see you found little in the original letter to actually
comment about and just used this as an opportunity to make baseless attacks.Government is God? Well, on criteria that weak I could make the claim
that conservatives believe Money and Guns are their Gods.
And the tea party, with their guns on hip protesting the Affordable Health Care
Act were what? You know mountainman this whole god gives rights not
government would be funny if it weren't so sad. Where was Rosa Parks god
given right to sit at the front of the bus? Where was my grandmothers god given
right to vote when she turned 21? And by the way try getting a business license
from god. Liberals don't worship government. Government just
is what it is..a secular organization to manage the secular affairs of our
society..that's it..nothing more. Your rants about liberals intentions and
purposes are ridiculous.
"When liberals win an election, they like to say it's the voice of the
people."Yeah, so do conservatives. The 2004 presidential and
2010 congressional elections come to mind. What's your point, Mr. Mahas?"But when they lose, it's often declared unconstitutional,
illegal or racist"As opposed to conservatives, who first blamed
the media, then blamed "free stuff" promised to the poor &
minorities, then blamed the American citizenry, then blamed Romney himself for
the 2012 presidential election loss? "When conservatives try to
protect traditional marriage"Banning rights from gays does not
protect traditional marriage. Only heterosexual couples who work to keep
traditional marriages from failing at a rate of 50% can do that. Your marriage
is not threatened by gays."I cry for future generations"When I think of the advances we have made in tolerance and secularism, I
certainly don't. If you want to cry for future generations, do so because
of the resource challenges that are likely to accompany a world with 20 billion
people living on it.
One old man: Conservatives have always believed in limited government, always
have, always will and you trying to spin history doesn't change anything!
When conservatives win an election, they like to say they're the most
American, the Patriotic, the most American. They say they will fight and defend
the Constitution.They say States laws supercede Federal law.But when they lose, they call it a fraud and a sham. It's always declared
unconstitutional, illegal or Chicago-style politics. They petition the
Government to secede from the United States of America. They suddenly say States
like Washington and Colorado CAN'T make their own laws. They want Peace and
Start Wars. They want lower taxes and less spending - yet they spend more, and
make ZERO effort to fund it -- creating Nation debt. They say they want
Government out of their lives, but they tell people who they can marry, how
women can take care of themselves, and make laws based on racism.Ya-
there's a Double standard alrighty....but Liberals are hardly the example
These labels being tossed out just don't fit. I'm a conservative who
One old man-Not sure how you come to the conclusion that the tories
were conservatives. They wanted the big bloated government and a king to
provide and protect them. Sounds to me like the liberal of today.The revolutionary patriots wanted government out of the way, there to protect
their rights, not grant them.
Spin? Or tell the truth? Can anyone explain exactly why pointing out that the
patriots of the revolution were liberals and Tories were conservatives is
"spinning?"Does truth make conservatives dizzy? Apparently
Other popular double standards people use include those for rich versus poor,
men versus women, black versus white, business versus workers, big versus
little, adults, versus children, God-religious versus Non-God-religious
and a million others. The clear winner at the top of the list seems
to always be rich versus poor. Thank heaven we don’t have to
account for all our double standards.
@mountainman. Conservatives do not believe in limited government. If they did
they would of not kicked Ron Paul to the curb. Conservatives believe
corporations should have the power of the people. Conservatives believe they
should legislate morals instead of letting people choose for themselves.
Conservatives believe we should occupy the world in the name of self defense.
But, Ultra Bob, do you think things might just be a whole lot better if we DID
have to account for them?And now, before anyone tries to nail me for
that comment, let me confess that I struggle very hard to avoid them. Trouble
is, I don't always succeed.But anyone who claims to have no
double standards is simply not being truthful.Y'know, it really
is tough being a human sometimes.
T.G.You are accurate in your description of liberals.But one
could also say you are very inaccurate – in order to have a double of
anything, you need to have the initial one of that thing, and one could easily
argue liberals have no standards, whatever suits them at the time is OK.One could also easily argue that liberals do have one very solid
standard – “everything associated with conservatives is bad”
seems to be their most solid standard.Screwdriver,Gays have no
fewer rights than anyone else. The basis for your argument erroneous.Pragmatist,“guns” on hip protesting Obamacare? Really? More
hyperbole that old man likes to decry, but this time it reflects DNC hate
speech.Hutterite,If you truly are the former, you could not
have done the latter.
Mountanman - I love breaking it to you but no republican/conservative president,
no republican/conservative majority in Congress has ever reduced the size of
government or reduced its intrusive power. Not Nixon. Not Reagan. Not a Bush.
Not the 'Contract On America' crowd. Not the Tea Party faction. None
of them. In fact,they have almost always expanded its powers, costs, and its
deficits, or simply let the status-quo remain (paraphrased from another
site).So you can spout your tired old rhetoric about small(er)
government but when the opportunity is present it just never happens. I am a
Democrat and an LDS one at that but I am also fiscally conservative and a
moderate on most of my views - yep, a rare breed indeed. I have not and do not
buy into any national party platform as I have my own personal platform which I
believe most Americans have their own also. I will not go lock-step with any
party but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case with many of my
fellow Utahns that think a particular letter defines the individual or themself.
Can I just suggest that there's not a more pointless exercise on the planet
than to define one's political opponents. "Liberals believe" or
"conservatives believe"; it's all just nonsense. "Well, as
everyone knows, conservatives believe in torturing kittens. As it happens, I
just disagree with that. I think we should gently pet kittens." Really,
what's the point.Liberals and conservatives are mostly reasonable,
intelligent, patriotic people who happen to disagree about policy. And those
disagreements don't necessarily mean we care about the same issues.
Conservatives do actually believe in smaller government. That doesn't mean
liberals believe in larger government. It could mean, for example, that the
size of government is an issue liberals don't care about at all.
Lost in DC,Thank you for the delicious dose of irony in your last
post:"One could also easily argue that liberals do have one very
solid standard – “everything associated with conservatives is
bad” seems to be their most solid standard."Preceded
by:"one could easily argue liberals have no standards, whatever
suits them at the time is OK"You accused "liberals" of
doing the same thing you yourself did two sentences earlier. Just thought I
would point that out.As far as Mr. Mahas's editorial, you can
find an example of conservatives doing everything he accuses liberals of doing.
It's a deliberately partisan article that ignores practices within his own
political party. That's worth pointing out too.
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