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Published: Friday, Jan. 4 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Illegitimacy is a bit of an antiquated concept but let's assume you meant a father figure is helpful in a young man's life.

It's not just the guns. It's the guns bought because fathers are convinced the country has been taken by nefarious forces and he tells his boys that all their lifes. It's the attitude that the gun in the house will make them safe while leaving the door unlocked is perfectly normal. It's the talk about the stopping power of a 9mm vs a .223. It's the general idea that guns and their violence are the solution to the families dangerous woes.

It's the scared boy that turns into a man relying on a gun to make him feel powerful like his Dad did.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

You know what I tell my kid? I tell her that while guns are fun to shoot they are fun because they are powerful and the concept of killing someone for trespassing in your home is as antiquated as dueling.

Guns are antiquated technology, gun nuts just don't know it because they refuse to look at the many non-lethal technologies available - and they want to keep their rural door unlocked.

And anyway, if someone gets into your home anywhere near your family you have dismally failed at keeping them safe. So why is the gun nut fantasy always to shoot the bad guy instead of the bad guy trying to get in but can't?

It's just sick.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

@Screwdriver
Why do you take the extreme view of guns and try to tell us its mainstream. There are those like that, but the majority are not. So you can tell your kid what you what, I'll just stick with the facts with my kids.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Actually Jeremy the current argument is not that gun legislation will "prevent crime". It's reasonable gun legislation will reduce the effects of crime. Banning high capacity clips won't prevent someone from using a gun but it will help reduce the carnage when a gun is used in a crime. Crime has always been with us and always will. The world is brief, random, indifferent, and cruel. A sane society just doesn't exaggerate it.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Middleages, Why do you insist on telling me what I'm telling you when I'm not telling what you told?

I assure you only truth is telling.

Your guns simply don't keep your family safe nor the public around you. However as a remote paper hole punch they are nicely superior to a standard paper hole punch.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Pragmatistferlife. Do you really think passing a law banning high capacity clips will keep criminals from getting them? Really?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

The National Research Council review of the available research on guns and crime found that studies comparing similar geographic areas, such as urban areas to urban areas, known as “case-control studies,” showed that “violence is positively associated with firearms ownership.” But when looking at larger areas, such as countries, the National Research Council report found “contradictory evidence.” Both types of studies, said the report, failed to address factors involved in buying a gun — it’s not a random decision. And gun ownership data itself is lacking — it comes only from public opinion surveys.

The NRC determined it is difficult to conduct typical randomized studies with guns--which would involve having control and experimental groups. They also stated more research is needed. For example, data about gun ownership is self-reported and may not be reliable.
(From factcheck)

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Somehow I don't think that banning certain guns, clips, and so forth, will make any difference to the one perpetrating a crime. They will get the weapons, legal or not.

I can just see the victim facing the criminal trying to them they are naughty for having an illegal weapon or clip. I think firepower would be worth a lot more.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Your guns simply don't keep your family safe nor the public around you."

Really? We have your word on that? You're endowed with some occult, gnostic statistic that contradicts common sense and all defensible science on the issue?

Hmmmmmm.

Look, if you don't want to have guns in your house, and you prefer to teach your kids that there is some magic lock, secret incantation, or liberal fairy godmother that will somehow vicariously frustrate bad guys' nefarious purposes for them -- go ahead. It's dangerous foolishness, but it's your right.

What is NOT your right is to disarm the rest of us and prohibit our use of defense tactics that have shown their efficacy over thousands of years.

Much as liberals may desire to reduce America to a trembling, defenseless Nation that must surrender to, buy off, or make deals with her enemies, foreign and domestic, they don't have that right.

Yet.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Mountainman..yes.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

procuradorfiscal,
When you make a comment like this:

"You're endowed with some occult, gnostic statistic that contradicts common sense and all defensible science on the issue?"

And then follow it up with ridiculous overblown and oversimplified nonsense like this:

"Much as liberals may desire to reduce America to a trembling, defenseless Nation that must surrender to, buy off, or make deals with her enemies, foreign and domestic, they don't have that right.",

I have no reason to believe you know anything about "defensible science" and "common sense". Is it possible for you to make a point like a grown-up without using childish insults? It takes more than expressive vocabulary to have an adult conversation. See Mr. Robert's editorial above for a good example.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

In spite of all that, let's try it anyway.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

procuradorfiscal, You are resorting to claiming I'm making a call for a weapons ban when I'm not. This is the current dishonest tactic of the right to try to re-frame the issue whenever there is a call to reason.

The fact is that killing someone is an antiquated solution just as dueling is. If your real purpose was to defend your family there are thousands of things you would be talking about before talking about killing someone with any lethal weapon including a gun. Nobody should be able get into your home in the first place.

If keeping your family safe is your first priority having loaded guns around the house ready for that burglar is statistically more likely to get your family hurt with your own guns.

I'm simply calling gun nuts out on their non-reasoning. I'm not calling for a ban because it sadly wouldn't work. I don't see why your assault rifle should be less regulated than any other dangerous device though. I push towards accountability and training so think and read an entire post before claiming you are a victim of someone's fictitious gun ban.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mountanman
Hayden, ID
Pragmatistferlife. Do you really think passing a law banning high capacity clips will keep criminals from getting them? Really?

8:53 a.m. Jan. 4, 2013

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Using YOUR own logic Mountanman,
Do you really think passing a law banning marijuana will keep criminals from getting it? Really?

BTW - You just made an excellent case for supporting the legalization of pot.

Tumbleweed
Centerville, UT

@ LDS Liberal - You're forgetting something aren't you? The Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, the first purpose of which is to deter tyranny by ensuring that our citizenry have more firepower than any standing army.

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.."
--Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

This is why banning military style rifles and pistols would be an act of tyranny and should be opposed by every liberty-loving American Citizen.

There is no similar Constitutional provision to possess or use marijuana.

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