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Published: Friday, Jan. 4 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Ogden, UT

Senator Hatch worke for the good of all the people of the United States. Mike Lee worked for the good of the far right extremists who would rather have put the country over the fiscal cliff to the detriment of all of us. Lee played politics. Hatch was a statesman.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Who did you vote for, Mr. Goodspeed? I'm going to go way out there and assume you voted for Mr. Hatch.

Let me ask this question again (as I've asked it many times before). What EXACTLY do you want cut from the federal budget. Let's see some actual numbers. Let's see a Republican step away from the Fox News cameo sound-bite business and see some risk taking. Let's see a Republican step into a federal building and have a meeting with an office full of hard-working people and tell them that he plans to eliminate all their jobs. Let's see some guts, Republicans. Let's see some specifics, Republicans. Let's see that you're made of more than hot air.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Mr. Hatch was elected as one of two people who watch over the interests of the State of Utah. His only responsibility is to do what is best for the State.

He thinks that endless spending and kicking the can down the road is the best thing for Utah. He thinks that piling endless bills on us, our children and on our grandchildren is the best thing for Utah. He thinks that ignoring the Constitution and voting for a budget bill that did not originate in the House, as required by the Supreme Law of the Land, is the best thing for Utah.

He has proved once again that he is the worst thing for Utah. He has no spine.

salt lake city, utah

Let's get one thing straight we have always piled endless bills on ourselves and our children and grandchildren. Except for a period between 1800 and 1860 we have always had a deficit, so this chant that we are doing something to our grandchildren that is extrordinary is nonsense and political theatre.

Now the size of the debt relative to our economy is an entirely different topic. However inorder to put that in perspective you have to consider all facets of modernity, Americas place in the world, The sheer amount of wealth being produced, the internationaliztion of capital etc. etc.

The last thing Republicans have to figure out is the modern spikes in debt have occurred under Regan and Bush ll. Spikes with no delcines. Even Obamas deficits are declining..so whats up Republicans?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

I tried to retire Hatch in June, but that did not work. There was no way I was going to vote to support harry reid in November, so I had to vote for Hatch then.

Where do you come off with those distortions about debt being worse under Reagan and Bush than BO?

From the treasurydirect webpage you can get outstanding federal debt for each day and calculate the following:

Average annual debt increase under bush with a repub congress: $494B

Average annual debt increase under bush with a dem congress: $977B

CLEARLY worse for bush with a DEM congress

Average annual debt increase under BO with a dem congress: $1.69 Trillion

Average annual debt increase under BO with a repub congress: $1.212 trillion

BO CLEARLY added more debt in 4 years than bush ever dreamed of in 8.

You are correct that BO’s deficits have been coming down, but ONLY after the repubs took control of the house to put some type of control on his profligate spending.

These figures clearly show dems are the more irresponsible spenders.

salt lake city, utah

My word I get tired of saying this.."Where do you come off with those distortions about debt being worse under Reagan and Bush than BO?"..Where did I say debt was worse under Regan and Bush? I said.."The last thing Republicans have to figure out is the modern spikes in debt have occurred under Regan and Bush ll. Spikes with no delcines." The debt trjectory took off under Regan..then continued and eventually started down under Clinton. The debt trajectory takes off again under Bush then continues under Obama (Bush '09 1.3 trillion, Obama '10 1.4 trillion) And now has declined and is projected to continue to decline. And oh yea, the Repbulican house brought it down..yup.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

I'm no fan of Senator Hatch, but in this case, he voted for what's best for the nation. It was a compromise bill, disliked by both sides, and probably therefore the best that could achieved. And "Constitutional Scholar" Mike Lee couldn't be bothered.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

I think we've had enough "message" votes from the unproductive Right. It's about time we started seeing some compromise, even if it doesn't give either side exactly what it wants. Mike Lee is the worst decision Utah voters have ever made, and that's saying something.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

so you are saying a higher debt trajectory is better? and yes, under that silly, outdated rag (according to the left) called the constitution, spending bills are to originate in the house. And yes, it was after the repubs took control of the house that BO's deficits started to decline.

I explained why I again voted for hatch. But that's OK, continue with the personal attacks; they fit so well your screen name.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT


I was looking at Mike Lee's voting record so far, last month.
Did you know he hasn't voted FOR anything since he's got there?

Talk about a do nothing obstructionist.

Still makes me laugh everytime I think about Senator Fiscally irresponsible,
here's a guy who refused to pay even his OWN house payments and was forclosed on.
Let alone figuring out a way to pay the Nation's?

And Utahans accept it, and think he's doing a fine job?

Bountiful, UT

Attention folks,

The "fiscal cliff" legislation was not a NEW spending bill or a NEW budget bill – no provision of the Constitution was violated.

This legislation ONLY modified effective termination/activation dates for spending authorizations, and tax law. Those types of changes do NOT have to originate in the House.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

He has proved once again that he is the worst thing for Utah. He has no spine.

8:01 a.m. Jan. 4, 2013

@lost in DC
West Jordan, UT
...so I had to vote for Hatch then.


Let me get this stright...
You voted for Senator Hatch...again.
and now you are both complaining about him....again?!

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting the results to be different.

I must say, Neither of you really have the right to complain.

If nothing else, you should take the blame and responsiblity for his re-re-re-re-re-re-re-election

USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" that is great to hear that Mike Lee hasn't voted FOR anything. Keep congress gridlocked. No new regulations can be passed, and no new spending come out of Washington.

Thanks to the gridlock created by the Republicans we have had jobs added to the economy. If you look at a graph of the total jobs in the US, it was flatlined for nearly 2 years while the Democrats were in conrol of everything. Once we got some gridlock in Washington, businesses began to add jobs.

Again with the lies about Mike Lee. Even the Tribune refutes your claims. See "Senator Lee forced to sell ‘dream home’ in short sale" in the SL Trib. A short sale is not the same as a forclosure. He sold the house for less than he owed.

Are you going to continue to lie, or will you appologize now?

Bountiful, UT

Mr. Goodspeed in his letter said, "He took several paragraphs to explain how flawed the legislation is, but he voted for it anyway."

Yes Mr. Goodspeed, that is called compromise. You may not like it, but that in my opinion, it was a good compromise to make on the part of the Senator.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

How can somebody be an obstructionist if they do nothing? That makes no sense at all. But using this logic I will say the entire government is nothing but "do nothing obstructionists" everytime they raised the debt limit and refuse to pay it off. They just want to sell to china.

Pleasant Grove, UT

@VST "Attention folks"

Are you contending that the purpose of the bill was not to raise revenue?

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives...." (Article I Sec. 7)

I don't see the word "new." I do see the word "all."

There is a reason why this matters. The power of taxation is so easily abused that it is best initiated by the legislative house most directly answerable to the people. I know Orrin Hatch doesn't care, but *we* should.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

LDS? lib,

I would think even you with your dem-colored glasses has heard the term "lesser of two evils"

given the choice of a bad hatch and horrendous reid, I'll take the bad hatch any day.

and yes, I will still complain about hatch.

I think you already know the answer to the question you posed to LDS?lib. Very christian and unlike LDS?lib of you to give him a chance to apologize.

Ogden, UT

Americans keep waiting for a leader! There is so much talk about who is at fault for the mess we are in. We are at fault! We let the system operate on auto pilot. We keep pointing fingers at each other and the political ideology that is a rruse for business as usual. If Americans want to take back the government then we have to call for a constitutional convention wherein two thirds of the states can ratify amendments. The politicians will never do this. The people will have to do this. We need term limits, no one can hold public office that has not paid taxes. The Congress can not have life time benifits for time served. The budget must be balanced yearly. No more horse trading-attaching pork to needed legislation. The people know what needs to be done. The politicians just want job security. Lets do this!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

We really need to get rid of people like Mike Lee. It's people like him who have (only) contributed dysfunction and stalemate in DC. They aren't serving us nor helping us out.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes Mike Lee was a mistake that can only go farther right.

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