Published: Friday, Jan. 4 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Senator Hatch worke for the good of all the people of the United States. Mike
Lee worked for the good of the far right extremists who would rather have put
the country over the fiscal cliff to the detriment of all of us. Lee played
politics. Hatch was a statesman.
Who did you vote for, Mr. Goodspeed? I'm going to go way out there and
assume you voted for Mr. Hatch. Let me ask this question again (as
I've asked it many times before). What EXACTLY do you want cut from the
federal budget. Let's see some actual numbers. Let's see a
Republican step away from the Fox News cameo sound-bite business and see some
risk taking. Let's see a Republican step into a federal building and have
a meeting with an office full of hard-working people and tell them that he plans
to eliminate all their jobs. Let's see some guts, Republicans. Let's
see some specifics, Republicans. Let's see that you're made of more
than hot air.
Mr. Hatch was elected as one of two people who watch over the interests of the
State of Utah. His only responsibility is to do what is best for the State.He thinks that endless spending and kicking the can down the road is the
best thing for Utah. He thinks that piling endless bills on us, our children
and on our grandchildren is the best thing for Utah. He thinks that ignoring
the Constitution and voting for a budget bill that did not originate in the
House, as required by the Supreme Law of the Land, is the best thing for
Utah.He has proved once again that he is the worst thing for Utah.
He has no spine.
Let's get one thing straight we have always piled endless bills on
ourselves and our children and grandchildren. Except for a period between 1800
and 1860 we have always had a deficit, so this chant that we are doing something
to our grandchildren that is extrordinary is nonsense and political theatre.
Now the size of the debt relative to our economy is an entirely
different topic. However inorder to put that in perspective you have to
consider all facets of modernity, Americas place in the world, The sheer amount
of wealth being produced, the internationaliztion of capital etc. etc. The last thing Republicans have to figure out is the modern spikes in debt
have occurred under Regan and Bush ll. Spikes with no delcines. Even Obamas
deficits are declining..so whats up Republicans?
I tried to retire Hatch in June, but that did not work. There was no way I was
going to vote to support harry reid in November, so I had to vote for Hatch
then.Pragmatist.Where do you come off with those distortions
about debt being worse under Reagan and Bush than BO?From the
treasurydirect webpage you can get outstanding federal debt for each day and
calculate the following:Average annual debt increase under bush with
a repub congress: $494BAverage annual debt increase under bush with
a dem congress: $977BCLEARLY worse for bush with a DEM congressAverage annual debt increase under BO with a dem congress: $1.69
TrillionAverage annual debt increase under BO with a repub congress:
$1.212 trillionBO CLEARLY added more debt in 4 years than bush ever
dreamed of in 8.You are correct that BO’s deficits have been
coming down, but ONLY after the repubs took control of the house to put some
type of control on his profligate spending.These figures clearly
show dems are the more irresponsible spenders.
My word I get tired of saying this.."Where do you come off with those
distortions about debt being worse under Reagan and Bush than BO?"..Where
did I say debt was worse under Regan and Bush? I said.."The last thing
Republicans have to figure out is the modern spikes in debt have occurred under
Regan and Bush ll. Spikes with no delcines." The debt trjectory took off
under Regan..then continued and eventually started down under Clinton. The debt
trajectory takes off again under Bush then continues under Obama (Bush '09
1.3 trillion, Obama '10 1.4 trillion) And now has declined and is projected
to continue to decline. And oh yea, the Repbulican house brought it down..yup.
I'm no fan of Senator Hatch, but in this case, he voted for what's
best for the nation. It was a compromise bill, disliked by both sides, and
probably therefore the best that could achieved. And "Constitutional
Scholar" Mike Lee couldn't be bothered.
I think we've had enough "message" votes from the unproductive
Right. It's about time we started seeing some compromise, even if it
doesn't give either side exactly what it wants. Mike Lee is the worst
decision Utah voters have ever made, and that's saying something.
pragmatist,so you are saying a higher debt trajectory is better? and
yes, under that silly, outdated rag (according to the left) called the
constitution, spending bills are to originate in the house. And yes, it was
after the repubs took control of the house that BO's deficits started to
decline. LDS?lib,I explained why I again voted for hatch. But
that's OK, continue with the personal attacks; they fit so well your screen
Kent C. DeForrestProvo, UTAgreed!I was looking at
Mike Lee's voting record so far, last month.Did you know he
hasn't voted FOR anything since he's got there?Talk about
a do nothing obstructionist.Still makes me laugh everytime I think
about Senator Fiscally irresponsible, here's a guy who refused to pay
even his OWN house payments and was forclosed on.Let alone figuring out a
way to pay the Nation's?And Utahans accept it, and think
he's doing a fine job?
Attention folks,The "fiscal cliff" legislation was not a NEW
spending bill or a NEW budget bill – no provision of the Constitution was
violated.This legislation ONLY modified effective
termination/activation dates for spending authorizations, and tax law. Those
types of changes do NOT have to originate in the House.
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahHe has proved once again that
he is the worst thing for Utah. He has no spine.8:01 a.m. Jan. 4,
2013@lost in DCWest Jordan, UT...so I had to vote for
Hatch then.========================Let me get this
stright...You voted for Senator Hatch...again.and now you are both
complaining about him....again?!The definition of insanity is doing
the same thing over and over again, and expecting the results to be
different.I must say, Neither of you really have the right to
complain.If nothing else, you should take the blame and
responsiblity for his re-re-re-re-re-re-re-election
To "LDS Liberal" that is great to hear that Mike Lee hasn't voted
FOR anything. Keep congress gridlocked. No new regulations can be passed, and
no new spending come out of Washington.Thanks to the gridlock
created by the Republicans we have had jobs added to the economy. If you look
at a graph of the total jobs in the US, it was flatlined for nearly 2 years
while the Democrats were in conrol of everything. Once we got some gridlock in
Washington, businesses began to add jobs.Again with the lies about
Mike Lee. Even the Tribune refutes your claims. See "Senator Lee forced to
sell ‘dream home’ in short sale" in the SL Trib. A short sale
is not the same as a forclosure. He sold the house for less than he owed.Are you going to continue to lie, or will you appologize now?
Mr. Goodspeed in his letter said, "He took several paragraphs to explain how
flawed the legislation is, but he voted for it anyway."Yes Mr.
Goodspeed, that is called compromise. You may not like it, but that in my
opinion, it was a good compromise to make on the part of the Senator.
How can somebody be an obstructionist if they do nothing? That makes no sense at
all. But using this logic I will say the entire government is nothing but
"do nothing obstructionists" everytime they raised the debt limit and
refuse to pay it off. They just want to sell to china.
@VST "Attention folks"Are you contending that the purpose of
the bill was not to raise revenue?"All Bills for raising Revenue
shall originate in the House of Representatives...." (Article I Sec. 7)I don't see the word "new." I do see the word
"all."There is a reason why this matters. The power of
taxation is so easily abused that it is best initiated by the legislative house
most directly answerable to the people. I know Orrin Hatch doesn't care,
but *we* should.
LDS? lib,I would think even you with your dem-colored glasses has
heard the term "lesser of two evils"given the choice of a
bad hatch and horrendous reid, I'll take the bad hatch any day.and yes, I will still complain about hatch.Redshirt,I think
you already know the answer to the question you posed to LDS?lib. Very
christian and unlike LDS?lib of you to give him a chance to apologize.
Americans keep waiting for a leader! There is so much talk about who is at
fault for the mess we are in. We are at fault! We let the system operate on
auto pilot. We keep pointing fingers at each other and the political ideology
that is a rruse for business as usual. If Americans want to take back the
government then we have to call for a constitutional convention wherein two
thirds of the states can ratify amendments. The politicians will never do this.
The people will have to do this. We need term limits, no one can hold public
office that has not paid taxes. The Congress can not have life time benifits
for time served. The budget must be balanced yearly. No more horse
trading-attaching pork to needed legislation. The people know what needs to be
done. The politicians just want job security. Lets do this!
We really need to get rid of people like Mike Lee. It's people like him who
have (only) contributed dysfunction and stalemate in DC. They aren't
serving us nor helping us out.
Yes Mike Lee was a mistake that can only go farther right.
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