To "airnaut" but Jesus believed that people should be free to choose.
Jesus chose to help and was not regulated. Jesus encouraged us to freely help
our fellow man directly, not waiting for the government to step in. Jesus will
save each person individually, there is no collective salvation. Jesus taught
us to work for what we receive.Also, you arew wrong about Jesus and
the "uber wealthy". He liked them, and had no problems with wealth.
Read about Zacchaeus, a chief publican who was rich. Jesus told him "This
day is salvation come to this house." If that isn't enough for you,
look at who Jesus called as his apostles, business owners (the fishers owned
multiple boats, and were not simple guys working as fishermen).Jesus
would be more aligned with modern conservativism than with your
NonconlibHappy Valley, UTI have no idea whether Jesus is
conservative or liberal. All I know is that he isn't a Republican.3:37 p.m. Jan. 3, 2013===========He gave away FREE
Healthcare.Turned water into wine.He spoke talked kindly and
tolereated immigrants.Told the people to stop complaining and just pay
their taxes.Told Peter to put away his weapon.And he didn't
think kindly of the uber-wealthy.Puts him in the Liberal bucket for
I have no idea whether Jesus is conservative or liberal. All I know is that he
isn't a Republican.
Redshirt,pay no attention to LDS?lib. His last response was basically
"I cannot argue with what you said, so go somewhere else and don't
bother me."Then there's Happy Valley Heretic who vehemently
called me a liar when I said 49.2% and 43.7% do not constitute majorities. You
can draw your own conclusions about his credibility from that.
per Redshirt's 12:17p post...the key word to me in the
scripture is **intent** as in intend, propose, etc... As long as you
mean well; you are okay? I disagree; Talking a big game and
actually doing something are 2 different things. Its like saying all you need is
Faith to get to heaven.
To "LDS Liberal" what "safe harbor" is there? The fact that
there are people like you who spread lies on the DN boards only proves that
there are no safe harbors.While I have your attention, I should
remind you that the Prophets have spoken out against modern liberalism and you
cannot refute that fact.You are wrong about the Lord "sending
missionaries to sway the majority locals." Even the examples you give show
that. Alma went to Ammonihah (a Nephite city) to help them return from their
apostate state. Jonah went to Nineva (a Jewish city) to help them return from
their apostate condition. Even Jesus went to God's chosen people, the
Jews, to teach them of the error of their ways. You missed the statement about
liberals "A liberal in the Church is merely one who does not have a
testimony." That does not describe Jesus.Next, who cares how
many likes you get? Do you only post things here to receive praise from your
ilk?To "Happy Valley Heretic" you must be like "LDS
Liberal," claiming to be LDS and not understanding the doctrine. I
don't think you actually read my post.
As has been pointed out before, it's probably best just not to watch fox.
RedShirt said: Since the prophets speak for God, lets see what God has to
say about liberalism. Elder John Widstow, while fulfilling the calling of a
Prophet in the Quorum of 12 apostles said "The self-called liberal is
usually one who has broken with the fundamental principles or guiding philosophy
of the group to which he belongs. He is an unbeliever. He claims membership in
an organization but does not believe in its basic concepts, and sets out to
reform it by changing its foundations. He is forever entangling his unbelief
with his membership."I believe you make LDS libs point, does not
the above describe not only Christ but Joseph Smith too?How can you
describe exactly what Christ did and then deny he was liberal?
You know RedShirt...You and Mike Richards need to leave the safe
harbor of Utah and the Deseret News [the most Conservative Newspaper, in
the most Conservative State] with your tired debates.It's like
preaching to the choir.I'm a Liberal, so I post on the Deseret
News.You should take your "battle" to somewhere more
challenging, say -- San Francisco, and post on the Chronicle's
web-site for awhile.Like Ammon and the City of Ammonihah, or Jonah
and Nineveh.The Lord wouldn't waste his time sending
missionaries to sway the majority locals.Besides -- I always get
more "likes" than you do.That should be telling you something
about perspective and balance and being moderate in all things.
To "LDS Liberal" I hate to once again disprove you using the words of
Modern prophets who speak for God.Since the prophets speak for God,
lets see what God has to say about liberalism. Elder John Widstow, while
fulfilling the calling of a Prophet in the Quorum of 12 apostles said "The
self-called liberal is usually one who has broken with the fundamental
principles or guiding philosophy of the group to which he belongs. He is an
unbeliever. He claims membership in an organization but does not believe in its
basic concepts, and sets out to reform it by changing its foundations. He is
forever entangling his unbelief with his membership."Since you
won't just take that one testimony, here is another one from President
Harold B. Lee "There are those in the Church who speak of themselves as
liberals who, as one of our former presidents has said, read by the lamp of
their own conceit....A liberal in the Church is merely one who does not have a
testimony."Since the Prophets have condemned liberalism, how can
you seriously say that Jesus is a Liberal, unless you are falling into a state
@RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTI love it when you quote that
scripture, it's one of my favorite - in fact, it helped made me Liberal,
it's gotta be one of the most LIBERAL in the BoM.That's
why I find it hilarous that you twist it around so hard to use it to somehow
slam Liberalism.too Funny!sad, but still funny.BTW -
Jesus is Liberal. Fact. Deal with it. I'm sorry you deny it. I will pray
for you. You're really are missing out on the Good-News. [Gos-pel].
Oh and one other thing -- He gives it to all men, Liberally.
To "LDS Liberal" enough with the Jesus was a liberal lie that you not
only try to perpetuate but believe.Jesus was not a liberal because
he believed in freedom, and did not believe in forcing people to do good.For example in Jacob 2:19 And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye
shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do
good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the
captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted. If Jesus was like
you, it would simply state that after obtaining hope in Christ, you should shun
riches in all forms and that you should wait for the government to care for the
poor.Please cease and desist from spreading your the false doctrine
that Jesus was equal to your modern liberalism.
As Deer Valley paid Santa's time and bought the treats he handed out to
their customers, I think we can probably let this one go.I'm as
liberal as they come, but really? Guess what? Rich kids deserve Christmas
surprises, too.Starting off the year with a pretty low bar,
aren't you D News?
Micheal,Your apparent covetousness is very unbecoming.
one old manOgden, UTDoes that mean he's a Liberal?10:25 a.m. Jan. 2, 2013============ Absolutely!Just like the His metaphor.Who also;Has white hair, and a white beard,wears red robes, comes as a
thief in the night, sees you when your sleeping,knows when
you've been naughty or nice, has your name recorded in his book of
life, gathers children around his knee,teaches it is better to give,
than receive.Liberal through and through.
Right, Lib. Sorry. I forgot that Santa is really a good soul who delivers
without regard to race, religion, or degree of wealth.Does that mean
he's a Liberal?
Ironically enough -- It's FoxNews who keeps reporting that
"Obama" is Santa Claus.So this only proves that the Deer
Valley Santa must be a fake Santa Claus.
Gee whiz!Could this mean that Santa is a Republican!!!!