second try - thanks to a law being passed by either the senate or congress in
the 70s a person who does not speak english can sue for discrimination if they
are not hired because they don't speak english fluently. On the other hand
a person whose only language is english can not sue on the same grounds if an
employer wants its employees to speak only spanish even though they deal with
english speaking clients on a daily basis. There are such places here in Utah
and one of them has offices nationwide but it's not necessary to be
bilingual to work in a majority of those offices.
Cris, I DO get frustrated sometimes when I can't understand the other
person. But my point is that I see such intolerance in Americans all the time
that it is entirely believable to me that the gentleman in the article, a truck
driver, got fired for his accent. A man with a job (of the type that requires
infrequent communication) became jobless, probably because someone was unwilling
to try to understand him.Yarrlydarb is so right! I have lived and
worked overseas my entire adult life. No one behaves like Amercans when it comes
to this.And, by the way, how many foreigners come to Utah and find
it difficult to understand us because of our own local dialect? - as if ours is
the King's standard.
In the community that I live in, Taylorsville, there are a lot of accents from
the real immigrants. Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Korea China, Japan,
Australian, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Greece, Russia, Germany, France, Poland,
Czechoslovakia, Albania, Italy, Spain, England, Somalia, South Africa, Mexico,
El Salvador, Chile, Brazil, Guatemala, Hawaii, Samoa, Tonga, Navajo, Dakota,
Ute, Shoshone, Etc. These nations are where many of the people I know are
from.Some times at a local Coffee Club you can listen to various
national accents around one table. The language in common so we can all
understand each other is English in all the various stages of learning. It
wonderful for me to listen to, the sharing of ideas, opinions from all these
people. I also work on learning to talk (at least say hello)in these various
languages.It would be sad to allow the racist policies of various
Hispanic activist organizations as they promote their cause of Spanish only
speaking illegal aliens to drown out the rich accents of people from other
So Edm are you telling me that you never get frustrated when you can't
understand the person on the other end of the line?Wow I' impressed.
Now that those that believe that "diversity" is better for a country
than "unity" have taken full control, we can only expect this situation
to worsen. Not much we can do about it. I would be happy just to hear good
English spoken by native born Americans. The sad thing is that
children of immigrants are not learning to speak good English, which will harm
them when they try to get a job. Also, English is the closest to being an
international language than anything else. This doesn't make English a
better language, but it does give the English speaker an advantage world wide.
Probably what angers most of those in the comments above is that
they are tired of being pushed aside and told to accommodate the immigrants by
giving them special treatment. If the job situation doesn't soon improve
this feeling of being pushed aside will worsen.
The citizens need to learn how to speak the foreign language. I am not so sure
that the United States belongs to us anymore. I know Utah does not belong to us
anymore. We just pay all the bills. It is awful to be used like this.
As a person whose native language is not English (mine is Spanish), I feel
stupid for putting in all that work to learn English. Turns out I could have
just sued somebody for discrimination.I have a bit of an accent that
I'll probably never get rid of. But I'm proud of it - it reminds me
of who I am and where I'm from.
BYUAlum, exactly what language is it that your Scots ancestors spoke if not
English?And for the record, speaking with an accent is not the same
thing as not speaking English. I'm sure we all have terrible accents when
we attempt to speak another language and most of thsoe we speak to are kind and
There can be no assimulation into our culture without adoption of english as the
primary and only officially recognized language. It's the only way we can
become one people. Nothing but english in the schools, business and official
documentation at all levels. No more push 1 for english.
There used to be a lot of jokes from Americans going to France and being treated
badly because they didn't speak French well enough. I remember Jay Leno
ridiculing the French over and over for how they mistreated Americans.Guess what. We here in America are worse than anywhere else in the world! I
know; I've traveled extensively and have first hand knowledge of the
fact.Americans are the worst. And to think that the great majority
of us have ancestors who did not speak English at all!Pretty high
and mighty we are, I'd say.
If you're calling a company and can't understand the person who
answers, chances are it's because the company outsourced their call center
to another country. (Usually, India.) Blame the company, not the person on the
When I am on the phone with a person who has a hard time speaking clear English
with a hard-to-understand-accent, I say, "May I speak with someone who
speaks English?" If that goes nowhere, I say, "May I please speak to
your supervisor?" If they ask why, I politely reply, I can't understand
what you are saying. Then I explain to the supervisor that if they want my
business, they had better hire people who can communicate with me in English. As
a customer, I have that right.I also think English should be the
official language of our country. My ancestry came from Denmark and Scotland in
the mid 1800's. Nowhere in their histories did they require people to call
them Danish Americans or Scottish Americans. Not knowing this country's
language, they learned English and taught their children English. Why? They were
proud to be citizens of the United States of America! So am I. Thank you for the
legacy great grandparents.
EDRM, it isn't boorish to expect a foreign born worker to learn the
language. He or she chose a job here, and the language spoken is english. The
employer hired them to work, not to accommodate their lack of language skills.
If the employee is unable or unwilling to better those skills, they should find
a job that doesn't require them.People born here and already speak
the language are expected to improve their skills to obtain better employment.
Foreign born employees should expect no less.For the record, California
made huge attempts to accommodate foreigners. Now they have an absolute mess,
trying to cover a dozen languages.These employees aren't suffering
discrimination. They reaping the rewards of their own failings.
Gosh, Cris, good luck setting the terms of all your interactions based on your
demands. This is what I see all the time: Boorish Americans
unwilling to even try to accommodate hard-working non-native English speakers. I
only wish good luck in their claims to those who have suffered discrimination.
Here's my story. I was out of work and applied for a census job. Mission
Spanish plus two years of college-level credits on my transcript.They
called me looking to fill a community coordinator position. The woman in the
phone interview didn't speak Spanish and asked me a few questions. She
said I'd hear from them in a couple of days.Another woman called back
the next day. She said they were looking for someone with "more
Spanish." The funny thing about it was that no one had even tested me; not
even a couple of phrases over the phone.I complained to the EEOC. They
reviewed the case and told me I didn't follow the instructions on the
poster on the wall at the application site.Did I mention that the woman
who told me I needed "more Spanish," was the former president of the
local LULAC chapter?Don't complain to me about fairness.
I'm sorry but these people need to speak the language. I' m so tired
of calling on the phone to fix problems only to end up talking to someone that I