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Published: Monday, Dec. 31 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

It appears the only legacy Ronald Reagan has left Republicans 30 years later was to "just say no."

While he orginally meant that slogan toward the use of drugs in America,
they now apply it to virtually everything else!

Here's to the Party of "NO"!
The G-No-P.
No ideas, No solutions, No Compromise.
Just, NO!

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

Our rhetoric comes out that way BECAUSE most media outlets are staffed by people from the left. If the news editors pick and choose what part of the message gets out, or how it is phrased then yes, it will sound silly. If instead Republicans were able to explain how baseline accounting is what is bankrupting our country, and that glibly raising taxes on one person never really brought true prosperity to another then they would have a chance to win.

Instead, the editors at NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, The New York Times, yahoo, Huff Post, etc. are able to say and make people believe that the Republican platform is to take away birth control from everyone, arm crazy people with machine guns, have rich people pay no taxes, and make everyone go to church. And the ill-informed electorate believes them.

Raising taxes will never, ever solve our country's financial problems unless they are tied to real, substantial cuts in spending. No person, family or organization can ever afford everything that they want. If the Republicans could make that their message and get voters to understand the problem inherent in baseline budgeting, they they would every budget debate.

Hayden, ID

The Republicans can't negotiate with themselves because Obama won't negotiate seriously. Hints of miniscule spending cuts with tax increases that will only run the government less than 10 days and spending and debt increases as far as the eye can see! Really folks, is this what you want and what our country needs? Obama is a very good politician but a very poor leader! If he wasn't a liberal even the press would agree! What will our national debt be by the end of Obama's second term, $25 trillion, $30 trillion? The only thing keeping the government from economic insolvency now are low interest rates on our national debt. But what do the 47% care?

Centerville, UT

"Democrats stressed their unwillingness to make concessions on both income taxes and the estate tax, and said they hoped Republicans would choose which mattered more to them." Compromise by the Dems. Todays quotefrom the article in the DN.

Centerville, UT

"The G-No-P. No ideas, No solutions, No Compromise."

Were is the Budget, party of spend. Dems. Last one by the Pres. not one dem voted for it.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yup. And just wait until the GOP loses even more House and Senate seats in coming elections and Hillary is elected in 2014.

The GOP's nonsense is killing the party. I think it's called political suicide.

Far East USA, SC

As you said.

"protect 1 percent of the wealthiest Americans from the pain of a tax increase, we are willing to keep even more Americans from experiencing an extension of the Bush-era tax cuts."

It is not a media issue. The message is not misunderstood. You have it exactly right.

The problem, and the reason for the impasse is that the house members have signed a pledge that they will not vote on ANY tax increase.

It is clear what is happening. The GOP house will let us go over a cliff so that they can then vote to decrease taxes and keep their pledge.

Pretty sad that our politicians work this way.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This letter is nothing more than typical leftist propaganda: use hate speech and red herrings to take attention away from the real issue.

There is only one person to blame for the fiscal disaster, and that person is Obama. His efforts to wantonly tax away the wealth of hard working Americans to finance the lifestyles of the lazy and slothful is nothing more than a thinly disguised effort to buy votes for the Democratic Party. It is bribery, plain and simple. He will not compromise with any who oppose this plan.

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

The comment made at 3:44 am is a perfect illustration of what I posted earlier. They resort to ad hominem attacks and think that somehow they have made a point. I don't know if such readers haven't heard the Republican response, or merely a twisted version of it. Hopefully reasoned facts will beat out schoolyard name calling.

It is a simple matter of budgeting. The federal government operates on what is known as "baseline budgeting". Its budget increases every year no matter what. Agencies get more budget every year no matter what. According to Wikipedia "Presently, the [automatic annual] Baseline Budgeting increase is about 7%." So OF COURSE we are in a budget jam because our GDP doesn't grow that fast. Senator Corker and Representative Paul Ryan submitted plans to get the budget under control, but were greeted by a cacophony of jeers by Democrats who think we can tax ourselves into prosperity.

It is simple mathematics. If you stop baseline budgeting, and really, truly cut the budget by one percent every year, the CBO projects that we will stop running deficits in five years. Any large organization should be able to cut one percent from its budget.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I always love it when the right attacks the "liberal bias" media. As if Rush, Sean, and Foxnews weren't incredibly biased. You cannot support those blowhards while complaining about the media being non-objective.

With comments belittling 47 percent of the population, calling corporations people, throwing 99 percent under the bus to protect the 1 percent, and saying, "if you don't have a job blame yourself," the right hasn't needed the "media" to make them out to look out of touch.

Perhaps just perhaps, the right has lost touch with middle America?

Instead of always attacking the media boogeyman, blaming Democrats, blaming the poor, blaming the minorities, maybe the GOP should look at the mirror?

one old man
Ogden, UT

There are a whole lot of posts here that offer nothing constructive. Unless endless regurgitation of hate radio blurbs are somehow constructive.

Orem, UT

All the liberals here want to believe that the 2% (it has doubled since the 1% OWS days) are all just a bunch of fat-cat CEOs who do nothing but vote themselves raises at company board meetings.

Since as "pragmatistferlife" pointed out - "it is a fairness issue", lets throw out an anticdote for illustration.

A new doctor just set up shop. He just got his first "real job" after 12 years of post-high school education (4 college, 4 medical school, 4 residency) and is saddled with half a million in debt (all those years of schooling add up). He has to hire a staff, buy new equipment, and try and recruit new patients to his practice. After working 60 hour weeks all year, he manages to make $300,000.

He is obviously a "fat-cat" now and should be required to give 39.5% (instead of just 35%) to the federal government in addition to all the other taxes he must pay. This means that the government gets more of his money than he does.

It's only "fair". Right???

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

You're wrong. don't repeat dem propaganda.
The actual story is BO would rather the 99% suffer a tax hike than lose his purely political point of raising taxes on those who already pay the bulk of the personal income taxes. Another error is to assume the money belongs to the government in the first place.

LDS? Lib-
Reagan? O'Neal would not be welcome in the dem party with their scorched earth policy of negotiations. Reid's senate DEMS offered NO compromises and show NO willingness to accept any

Party of "NO"!
No ideas, No solutions, No Compromise.
Just, NO!

you also make the error of assuming it is the government's money. You could tax the rich at 100% and it would not pay for all those programs. It IS a red herring; there MUST be spending cuts.

Redheaded stranger,
Typical of LDS? Lib

Always had this problem distinguishing between opinion and so-called news "reporting"?

Old man,
The posts here offer nothing constructive. Unless endless regurgitation of DNC hate blurbs is somehow constructive.

American Fork, UT

We need to make every elected office one term only, so there's no campaigning by elected officials, less need to be thick headed for ideology, and maybe they can get something done for the rest of us.


Obama already has a track record of compromising with Republicans. He extended all the Bush tax cuts in 2010.

Republicans haven't demonstrated they are capable of compromise with this president. Shame.


Keep repeating the notion that half of Americans are takers.
It really worked well the last election.

Sandy, UT

This nation is in the financial situation it's in because you, right winged fanatics, have taken us there. You allowed your 2nd Bush to take us to war under false premises without paying for them. You allowed your right winged Congress to throw Medicare under the bus with Part D without paying for it or allowing Medicare to negotiate prices. You allowed your right wingers in Congress to obstruct any meaningful governing by obstruction that has not been seen since 1946 or before. You have allowed Wall Street to destroy Main Street causing the greatest so called "recession" since the 30's and hence the tresury essentially dried up. It is you, in cahoots with your puppets of plutocracy that have destroyed the economy and you will soon pay the price because you won't expect more from your representation.

Provo, UT

@JoeCapitalist -- I don't think you understand the progressive tax code. The doctor doesn't pay that higher rate on all his income. He pays it only on that amount that is above the next lowest tax rate cut off point. On everything below that amount, the doctor will pay the lower rate. This is a common misunderstanding and results in people thinking that if they earn a little more money and get "thrown" into a higher tax bracket, then all of their increased earnings will be taken away in a tax increase. Not so.

one old man
Ogden, UT

DNC hate blurbs?


The only DNC hate blurbs I've ever heard have all been from folks hollering, "I HATE the DNC and all they stand for. I HATE liberals and all they stand for. In fact, I HATE everyone who dares to think even a little differently than I do."

Cottonwood Heights, UT

A government "of the people, for the people, and by the people" We are far from it.

Far East USA, SC

"After working 60 hour weeks all year, he manages to make $300,000."

Well Joe, lets break this down

He makes $300k per year, but probably has a family.
Family = deductions = writeoff

He bought equipment
equipment = business expense = writeoff

He probably owns a house with a mortgage
mortgage interest = writeoff

If he had ZERO deductions, his taxes would go up $2000.

I have VERY little doubt that this guy will not see a penny of tax increase.

You make the liberal point perfectly

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