Mike Richards,When you say "the Senate unanimously voted against
President Obama's budget," you say something factually inaccurate. You
describe a situation that never happened. The facts are not in dispute.
Senator Sessions presented a phony budget which he called "President
Obama's budget." It was around 15 pages long. The actual federal
budget, including President Obama's real budget proposal which was
properly and constitutionally presented to Congress, was over a thousand pages.
All this can be found in the Congressional Record. None of this has anything to
do with 'reading press clippings' or being fooled by a charismatic
speaker or any of that. You are perpetuating a falsehood. I urge you to
Look at how many posters are attempting to change history by claiming that two
Senate votes never took place, that Obama's budget did not get turned down
by 100% of the Senators. They would want us to believe that Obama had the right
to submit legislation when they should clearly understand that the President
cannot submit legislation, but that he is required to submit a proposal. When
his proposal was turned into legislation, it was defeated by 100% of the Senate
- no matter what his press releases say.Those who cover up for him
and try to deceive us by stating that truth is false are showing that they will
do or say anything just like Obama does. They will blame anyone for
Obama's failures except Obama. They deny the fact that under Obama the
deficit increased from $10 trillion to over $16 trillion. They deny the fact
that Obamacare and Obama's failure to understand anything about business
has put business in America into a tail spin that may be fatal to our economy.
Instead they blame Bush for the things that they did, starting two years before
Obama took office when they controlled the House and the Senate.
@JoeBlow: "These are not Budgets. They are additional spending
recommendations of presidents."I'll leave it to you to
dance around the difference between a budget proposal and a spending
recommendation. Whatever you want to call it, Obama made one in 2012; the
Republicans pulled their stunt; and the proposal got zero votes.
What a bunch of total misinformation (lies) through this page. Romney never proposed a tax hike on the middle class. The
president says he hasn't raised taxes on the middle class, but I don't
make half the president's line for what is rich, and the government gets
more of my money than it did 4 years ago. Seems like the president did raise
middle class taxes, i.e. lied."Doesn't the constitution
require that budgets begin in the house?" Uh, no, all bills for
raising revenue must originate in the house, but budgets are not just about the
money coming in. Budgets are a comprehensive income and spending plan. If the president wants to bypass the house, all he has to do is have his
spending match the revenue available. That should be easy for such a brilliant
guy.And the presidential recommendation is supposed to be a budget
proposal. To say otherwise is a farce. All other presidents have understood
this. Why doesn't Obama and his disciples think he has to propose a
budget?Businesses don't deficit spend indefinitely. They fail,
as will our economy if we continue to deficit spend.
[The president] shall...recommend to [Congress's] Consideration such
Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient....""measures judged necessary and expedient"These are not
Budgets. They are additional spending recommendations of presidents. The
Bailout would fall into this category, but it does not constitute a budget.
@JoeBlow "Doesn't the constitution require that budgets begin in the
house?"Article II Section 3 says: "[The president]
shall...recommend to [Congress's] Consideration such Measures as he shall
judge necessary and expedient...."Obama's budget proposals
-- like those of all presidents before him -- have been offered under this
Mike RichardsYou wonder why people don't buy your argument that
morality can only be found through a belief in god? Maybe because those that
claim it is the only way to morality constantly lie on these treads.
To "ECR" explain how Obama's plan reduces the deficit? Do you know
what the FY2013 budget is? How can you reduce something that we can't
measure until the end of the fiscal year since no budget has been set?Also, is it really a deficit reduction when the CBO states that at best
Obama's plans will add $20 billion to tax revenues while maintaining a $1.2
Trillion deficit? The additional revenues. That is using an optimistic
estimate that the tax increases won't further slow the economy and result
in lower tax revenues.To "The Real Maverick" you want to
know what else added to the deficit.Welfare payments to
individuals.International welfare programs.Obama's
bailout of Unemployment benefits to allow people to remain idle for 99 weeks.Stimulus programs that fund state welfare programs, and "shovel
ready" projects.You see, you can't give money out to every
Sally Sob Story unless you have money.
Mike, if you really desire for your comments to have any shred of credibility or
for those commenting to have any respect for you, then you really need to ditch
the Foxnews and AM radio stories which are so egregious and lacking in factual
substance. Seriously man, you're really not doing yourself, your party,
your cause, your religion, and our country any good by simply lying. I mean,
that's the honest truth. What you're doing is lying. You've been
called out many times over this already. Please stop.What jumps out
to me is the class warfare being waged here.The GOP is ok with
raising tax rates on the middle-class. Mitt Romney's own budget raised the
rates on middle-class while giving huge breaks to the rich. I think
instead of bringing God back into our school system we bring virtue back to the
upper classes.Folks, you cannot keep ripping the 99% of us off. This
war must end. I understand that folks like Mitt can and should keep some of his
money. But how much is enough? Must we really go over this fiscal cliff to
further destroy the 99 percent?
You know what's sad?What caused this amount of debt?1. Tax cuts for the rich.2. Two Wars which gutless repubs refused to
include in their budgets.3. Defense spending doubling in merely 1
decade.4. Bailouts for banks "too big to fail."We saw
just complete and utter lack for the Constitution and common sense between
2000-2008.You cannot cut taxes and wage wars!!! Silly!You
cannot deregulate the banking industry and then bail them out without severe
reform or consequences! Instead, repubs quickly ran to hand out golden
parachutes!You cannot give blank checks to defense contractors. Of course
they're taking advantage of us!As a result, we're going to
cut cut cut. Because the crazy right wing has successfully scared everyone that
the debt is the #1 issue. they have successfully guilt everyone into thinking
that "we" are the selfish entitled ones who have driven up the debt.So public programs like student loans, SS, and Medicare/Medicaid will
face cuts. While the primary causes of the debt, banks, the rich,
wars, and defense contractors receive a free pass. It's sad the
state of politics in this country.
"Obama has presented his budget."Uh Mike?Doesn't the constitution require that budgets begin in the house?
Mountanman Hayden, IDThere is a reason that California leads the
nation in innovation in high technology and biotechnology. Just look at Silicon
Valley and the L.A.-San Diego corridor and you'll see a vibrant and
thriving community of progressive development. Young minds, inquisitive minds,
are what makes such a world possible. Reactionary policies only maintain the
status quo and lead to intellectual death.Listening only to the
movement conservative hacks on wingnut radio and restricting your information
sources to Fox News would certainly make someone think and regurgitate extreme
right-wing opinion. However, get out into the real world and you'll see
how your arguments lack coherence. and objectivity.The propaganda
coming out of conservative media today is locked in a time warp, and warnings
about "socialism" have as much relevance as Mitt Romney following the
disaster that resulted from a negative campaign of fear and anger. It's
all shouting into the wind.
And so Mr. Richards we're backing re-baking last years myths. Plus..the
deficit will never, let me repart never be zero. Businesses don't run with
zero debt and never will. Multi milionaires and billionaires don't
function with zero debt..that's not how the economy works. You continually
use this false equivilant "No banker would ever approve a loan if the
applicant refused to submit a repayment plan that guaranteed that the loan would
be satisfied." Neither do other governments or lenders that's why the
good faith and credit of the government is important. When they buy a bond from
us/loan us money they want that bond satisfied..that doesn't mean that the
US can't float other bonds that will be due in the future. The
point..while we may have 16 trillion in debt the world still believes that
individual obligations will be met as they come due..even as we accumulate more
Okay, Mike, will you tell us exactly what that House plan is?So far
none of the rest of us have heard anything that sounds like a real plan.
Mike Richards,Once and for all, it's time to retire this ridiculous
talking point about the President's budget receiving NO VOTES in the Senate
or House. The facts are absolutely clear, and are a matter of public
record. Senator Jeff Sessions, R-Miss, presented a phony gimmick budget, which
he called "President Obama's budget". That was the budget that was
unanimously defeated. A similar fake measure was introduced in the House, and
was similarly defeated.The DN won't let me link to the source, but
check out a story by Jake Tapper of ABC News, from May 16, under the headline
"House and Senate Unanimously Reject President Obama's Budget--or do
they?" That story, and many others, show what really happened. You
have repeated this false allegation many times in this forum. Please desist.
Here we go...the defict..the deficit..the deficit, as though Obama invented the
deficit. As many have said here and coutless times before, the Republicans have
no problems with deficits it's simply deficits should be created to
1)funnel monies to the top 1% and 2) to fight wars..any wars. It's the
same nonsense with free markets..Obamas socialist agenda..yet Repbulicans are
massively in favor of government intervention, regulation when it's purpose
is again to funnel monies to the 1%, or to social engineer society.
Obama has presented his budget. The senate shot it down. He receive NO votes.
The Senate has no proposal. The House has a proposal. There is only one
proposal on the table. Only the House is willing to do anything except block
and veto.Obama is not willing to outline an entire plan that takes
us from $17 trillion deficit to no deficit.No banker would ever
approve a loan if the applicant refused to submit a repayment plan that
guaranteed that the loan would be satisfied.Obama has no plan. Reid
has no plan. That only leaves the House plan.
I watched the interview with President Obama on Meet the Press this morning.What struck me most of all was how articulate and intelligent he sounds.
A very real contrast to what we saw whenever someone could manage to drag his
predecessor before cameras for an in depth interview.
Darlene sadly fits the stereotype perfectly spewed from the "right wing"
media of ill-informed voters."The president's proposals
show no concern for the precarious financial condition of our country. That is
not leadership."On one hand Darlene would accuse Obama for doing
nothing to help the economy. Then on the other she accuses him of not doing
enough to address the debt. You cannot tackle both issues. During
difficult economic times, the government must make up for the lack of spending
and employment in the private sector. Where was Darlene when Bush
ran up huge deficits during good economic times? Why doesn't
Darlene attack her precious GOP for their stance on bloated defense spending and
tax cuts for the super rich? Why can't the rich pay a little bit more?
Their standard of living won't be affected to the extent of us joe sixpacks
if our taxes were to go up.Ultimately, Darlene assumes that the GOP
has ideas. What are their ideas other than to filibuster everything the
Democrats propose? Time to get informed Darlene. You cannot do this
by drinking everything that AM radio and Fox News report.
DarleneCan you name specific proposals Republicans have made? No,
because they haven't. They haven't specified any tax loopholes they
would recommend closing or budget cuts they would make. The Republican Party
has not been in the game. They've offered broad, vague general statements
without any specificity. "Boehner, on Fox News, wrongly stated
that the administration has proposed “$400 billion worth of unspecified
cuts.” The administration has itemized nearly $600 billion worth of what
it calls “cuts and reforms to mandatory programs” — half of
that from Medicare.Boehner repeatedly (and falsely) says the
president’s fiscal 2013 budget plan will create “trillion-dollar
deficits for as far as the eye can see.” It’s true the fiscal 2013
deficit is projected to be close to $1 trillion, but annual deficits would fall
each year thereafter — dropping to $488 billion by Obama’s final
year in 2017."(Factcheck)
Here are the facts, plain and simple. The president's plan, like the
Republican plan, does not balance the budget for decades. But it reduces the
deficit immediately and it maintains low taxes for 98% of the population. It is
believed to have the support of the majority of the House but the Speaker
refuses to present that bill because it isn't supported by the majority of
his party, which, of course, would make his party look bad. The president had
shown great leadership and has offered his help in crafting a bill that can be
supported by the majority (Democrats and moderate Republicans). But the
children in charge of the Republican House members won't present a bill
that could get us away from the cliff. Mr. Bohner and his party are being held
hostage by the Tea Party.
Please tell us Mad Hatter, how we are going to pay for Obama's new
socialist America? You can rant all you like about the "red" states but
history will prove Obama's socialism can not be fiscally sustained! Perhaps
you should look to California as an example of "blue" state's
I think we do have the finest minds in our government. The problem is that they
are the minds of businessmen unconcerned with the welfare of people. The founding documents of this nation imply that people are the principal
concern of the American experiment. Nothing in those documents indicate the
notion that business should be placed ahead of the people. Or making the U.S. a
favorable place for business to succeed. Yet that is exactly what has happened,
Business that is supposed to serve the people, has turned it around and made
people the servants of business. The president is the only elected
representative of the American people as a whole in our government. State
representatives represent small groups, mostly business and commercial groups of
their state. Only a person with an extraordinary mind along with great courage
would have the ability to face the nearly insurmountable odds working against
him. Any president who leans toward the welfare of people will have
a hard time. I believe that President Obama faces the greatest amount of
opposition, lack of support and just plain hate that I have seen in my lifetime.
Low taxes? Welp, this letter writer shows no concern for our financial
condition... or math.
As they used to say: "It takes two tango." Only a mindless partisan
could see the current standoff as anything other than both parties being
responsible for the standoff and unable to agree on the best course...but then
the Congress is full of mindless partisans of both parties. Finally,
how does one come to the letter writers conclusion when so little has been
published about the details of what each side is proposing. The name of this
game is to let the other side propose something and then trash it and say they
are not serious. It is called "politics" and it takes the place of
statesmanship when the parties are bankrupt of ideas.
I love this classy leader we have representing our Nation. Even with
obstructionist unpatriotic Republicans acting like whiny sore-losing Utahns, my
President remains steadfast in his desire to help the middle class. Boehner,
McConnell, Hatch and their sorry counterparts are responsible for the financial
crisis our Nation faces. And uber-partisan Utahns are a huge part of the
problem....They voted for the most disastrous presidency in our
history...TWICE!I'm so proud that I voted for a real patriot!
When a politician tells you that he cares about your child's future, and
then runs trillion-dollar deficits, you know he's lying.
The election is over. The campaign is at an end. The rhetoric is old.So it will be Hillary in '16. Quite possibly there won't be another
Republican president for a generation providing the GOP cannot change direction
and provide a message of hope and stop with the fear.The nation is
changing. It is understood that many conservatives (particularly the extremists
on the Far Right) don't like the change, but they are decreasing as an
effective force and will be relatively obsolete by the next election.
Hopefully, voters at the state and local level will recognize the need for
moderation and demand a more centrist approach from their representatives.Even in Utah, the percentage of Far Right conservative voters will
decrease. However, it will continue to be the reddest state in the nation for
many years to come. Not a particularly good place to be when adaptation to
change is necessary to gain innovative businesses and attract a highly-educated