Sorry for all the typos.... couldn't find my glasses and, well, you see the
results.@mountainman.... I just want to clarify. I don't
disagree necessarily with the points you are making. I am conservative - very
much so - on certain issues, and less so on others. The issue I have with the
conservative side is the huge amount of false and misleading information being
spewed by the right. The right doesn't need to present misleading
information to make their point... often the point is quit valid. What
diminishes the point is when it is laced with false and misleading information.
It completely undermines the message and messenger... and the point I think
here is Mountainman was just repeating what he had been told. Not intentional
fabrication, but trusting others who have no problem making up information.Those crime numbers are inexcusable.... period. The added commentary,
which is totally false, unfortunately discredits what could have been a strong
statement. People should fact check themselves information before they pass it
on as gospel, even if it comes from what should be a reliable source.So Mountainman.... I am not challenging your personal integrity.... just the
source of your information.
The letter writer cites the new Quinton Tarentino movie as an example of why we
have such violence..short memory sir. My wife and I just watched Clint
Eastwoods "High Plains Drifter" from 1973. It contained well over a
dozen murders where someone was shot in the back at close range. It contained
two lengthy death scenes by whipping, one death by hanging..and the best of all
two..yes two rapes...called out as rapes..but luckily the woman couldn't
get pregnant because in both cases they wound up reallly liking the rape so it
@mountainma... interesting numbers.... but totally falsely represented... you
claims to highest ever. For example, lets loot at Detroit. You claim that in
2010 they had 310 murders.. which is correct. What is plainly inaccurate that
this is the highest on record, which it is not even close to. In 1974, Detroit
had 714 murders. In 1991 Detroit had 615 murders. Now in most camps, 714 is a
much bigger number than 310. So is 615. Most of the claims you make to being
the highest or records, completely false. You go on to claim
":Not in Oakland, Ca.; 90 murders in 2010, most in recorded history."This would be a true statement if recorded history started in 2008, but
alas, for the rest of the world who looks beyond 2008 all the way back to 2007,
Oakland California had 120 murders.All the murder numbers you state
are out of control, and need to be addressed.... these indeed are some of the
countries most violent places. But to make false claims in your argument really
discredits everything else. False claims don't further the cause. I like
guns, I have guns, but don't see reasonable safety regulations as a
Good point mountainman.So in Europe and the rest of the world
homicides are down (except wherever we are such as Afghanistan and Iraq) So why do we have such high murder rates even though we have twice as
many safety inspiring guns as anyone else?Because we have twice as
many guns per capita as any other country. 14 times as many guns as Japan, 3
times as many as Canada and 8 times as many as Argentina.
"Let's have the Dems kick the can down the road.They have perfected the
art of can kicking when it comes to our nation debt, entitlement reform and the
fiscal cliff so I'm certain they can do it on gun control."Hilarious!We don't have a national debt problem because of
"entitlements." We have a debt problem because of
ineffective tax cuts to the rich, 2 unfunded wars, ridiculous out of control
defense spending, and a bank bailout signed by President George W. Bush. Want meaningful reform?Cut the wars RIGHT now. Done. No more
wars until we can actually pay for them. No more foreign aid or nation building.
Slash the defense budget in half. Raise taxes to what they were under Reagan.
Break up the big banks so they actually must compete with each other. You'd be surprised how how the national debt would disappear without even
Real Maverick,Let's have the Dems kick the can down the road.They
have perfected the art of can kicking when it comes to our nation debt,
entitlement reform and the fiscal cliff so I'm certain they can do it on
Of the above mentioned cities...how many of them are in voting districts that
tend to vote Democrat?...Just wondering.
This letter summarized:"Lets not do anything in regards to gun
control. Lets not regulate things, make waiting times longer, enhance background
checks, training, or evaluations, or address semi-automatic weapons or their
magazines. Lets merely continue to do what the GOP seems to do best... Which is:
KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD and merely suggest vague ineffective Utopian idea
generalities as solutions."Gee... Thanks.
I'm so sick of hearing from all of these homegrown redcoats who have
absolutley no idea that the gun ban that the government is proposing will
trigger the 2nd civil war in America.
Perhaps we should shutdown Newspapers, radio, TV, and the InterNet.200 years ago, hineous crimes were committed, and no one would EVER hear about
it, even in the next village over.Today - I can read about a
murder in small town in Russia, a rape in India, and a robbery in France, all without ever leaving my home office.Over all crimes is down,
Over all awareness of it is Sky-high.It's all a matter of
@ MountainmanCrime=murder?Interesting!So why
isn't crime everywhere increasing? Why did you cherry pick a few cities?
If crime overall in America is decreasing then your point has no
validity. Once again, cherry picking numbers doesn't exactly
help you win in an intellectual argument. Better luck next time!
Mukkake. Not in Chicago; more people murdered there in 2010 than were killed in
Afghanistan, according to Pentagon sources.Not in Flint, Michigan; 53
murders in 2010, highest on record according to FBI sources.Not in
Detroit, Michigan; 310 murders in 2010, highest on record.Not in St Louis,
Mo.; 144 murders, highest on record.Not in New Haven, Conn; 22 murders;
highest on record.Not in Memphis, Tn.; 89 murders; most in recorded
history,Not in Oakland, Ca.; 90 murders in 2010, most in recorded
history.Not in Little Rock, Arkansas; 25 murders in 2010, set a new record
there.Not in Baltimore, Md; 233 murders in 2010. set a new record.Not in Rockford Ill.; 20 murders in 2010, highest on record.Not in
Stockton, Ca.; 49 murders in 2010 highest on record.My point: Do you
trust the numbers coming out of the White House?
Crime is down. America is safer than it has been in decades.
Violence has always existed since Cain and Abel. I think most people go about
there day in relative peace. We just hear about the few cases of unfortunate
violence because it is rare. It is still tragic for anyone that is a victim of
it and we need to fight it.