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Published: Thursday, Dec. 27 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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RRB
SLC, UT

One of the best ideas I have heard.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Finally! A liberal with a little sense!

And with more regard for the safety of children than for the rigid liberal dogma that only feckless liberal gun control policy may be debated after a national tragedy.

one old man
Ogden, UT

This is a problem that goes far beyond any simplistic discussion of either gun control or mental health.

It needs to be tackled very seriously while examining all aspects of it. It's society, mental health, culture, weaponry, and perhaps a hundred other interrelated factors all rolled together into one incredibly complex casserole.

But this America. And if any nation can solve it, we can.

We just need to find the will to work together to do it. And that will require ALL of us to put aside preconceived notions -- no matter how sacred they may seem to us.

The very first thing that MUST happen will be for extremists on both sides of the gun issue to sit down, shut up, and LISTEN to those on the other side and in the middle. Then, before speaking again, THINK.

Until we can all do that, we're not going to make any progress.

Utah Teacher
Orem, UT

Great idea! Just the presence of a police car in the parking lot would probably do the trick.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The very first thing that MUST happen will be for extremists on both sides of the gun issue to sit down, shut up, and LISTEN . . . ."

Thanks for making my point -- sacred liberal dogma is that NOTHING can happen until real people cave in to dangerous, anti-gun extremists.

It's genuinely refreshing to see that there is at least one liberal out there to whom school safety is a more important issue than blind fealty to strict liberal orthodoxy.

Now we can talk. We don't actually have to wait the eons necessary for liberals to convince themselves that we've sufficiently sat down, shut up, and genuflected before their dazzlingly superior intellect.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Procura, you left out one side of the equation. What about you? Are you willing to sit down and listen and think? So far, it hasn't sounded like it.

one old man
Ogden, UT

And as I thought about it a little more, Procura, I realized that you have said it very well -- with a little editing.

Thanks for making my point -- sacred NRA dogma is that NOTHING can happen until real people cave in to dangerous, pro-gun extremists.

It would genuinely refreshing to see that there is at least some conservatives out there to whom school safety is a more important issue than blind fealty to strict guns, guns, and more guns orthodoxy.

Now we can talk. We don't actually have to wait the eons necessary for extreme conservatives to convince themselves that we've sufficiently sat down, shut up, and genuflected before their dazzlingly superior intellect.

Will you join us in that sensible discussion?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Will you join us in that sensible discussion?"

Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

The solutions suggested by Professor LaPlante, a curiously sensible liberal -- concealed carry by trained teachers and staff, and/or increased, but low/no-cost presence of police officers in schools -- are, indeed sensible, and are genuinely worthy, not just of discussion, but quick implementation.

Sacred, though demonstrably flawed liberal dogma notwithstanding, real people understand that safety is NOT enhanced by disarming only law-abiding citizens, or placing us at a severe disadvantage, vis-a-vis those determined to harm us. Nor is such action permitted by a Constitution that has served us well for centuries, and is in no need of modern rejection or revision.

So, sure, let's implement these sensible safety measures that don't require re-working America into a liberal-controlled, euro-socialist paradise. Then, liberals intent on engaging in a continuing course of barking at the moon, can do so.

But, meanwhile, schools will be safe.

Agreed?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Procura, until you and many others can find a way to move beyond name calling to sensible thought and comment, nothing much will change.

Some people will be part of the solution. Some will continue to be the problem.

I think many of us already know what you have chosen.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I'm an ex-cop and have a CC permit. I am 100% confidant in my ability to stop something like Trolley Square from happening. I'm also confident in the ability of many of the CC permit holders I know to perform just as well as I could.

Putting cops in schools wouldn't cost more. Cops are already a largely reactionary force. They respond and generally clean up the mess after it happens. All taking a few cops off of the streets and putting them in schools does is cut down the number of report takers.

If we need more cops, then we look at some of the other stuff the government spends money on like Rec Centers. Close them and use the money to hire more cops.

The only mandated thing in the U.S. Constitution is to provide for the common defense. That would imply public safety as well as the military.

djc
Stansbury Park, Ut

I find myself nodding in agreement with Mr. LaPlante. This is the most sensible idea I have seen yet.

I cringe at the idea of arming teachers and putting them in the schools. All I can think about when I hear this idea, is the various neighborhood watch shoot outs and shootings that have happened over the past few years.

Flashback (sarcasm on) darn right lets close all the rec centers, what are they good for anyway (sarcasm off) except maybe for keeping a few kids out of gangs and off the street with their guns. (sarcasm on) Let's just make everyone into cops. We'll surely be safe then. (sarcasm off) I can't help but think of the police officers in a couple of jurisdictions currently on trial for murdering their respective wives.

There are far too many accidents involving off duty officers guns now. I cringe at the thought of some officers in schools with loaded weapons.

This is a complicated subject and I haven't seen a simplistic answer yet that is workable.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Procura,

I agree this is a common sense approach that should be tried. I also recognize this approach will fall short in the case of a determined effort, eg, a gunman with a 100 round clip on an AK-47 with body armor and a helmet.

Is it unreasonable to suggest that perhaps these massive clips should be outlawed? Certainly it won't eliminate crime committed with large clips, but it would have prevented the crazy man in Aurora from simply ordering them through the mail.

The NRA wants to compile a federal database of mental health data on citizens. Are you OK with that? Would you be willing to take a psychological exam before you can purchase guns and ammo? Many citizens would feel much more comfortable if that were the case.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Is it unreasonable to suggest that perhaps these massive clips should be outlawed?"

Short answer? Yes.

Not only is it unreasonable, it's illegal.

Once we take that giant step into la-la land -- suggesting that the bad guys will pay the slightest attention to ANY unconstitutional ban, or that any ban will decrease availability of weapons to the bad guys -- we've gone too far.

Bans are unconstitutional. Bans are worthless. So, why do liberals insist on embarrassing themselves, demanding we do nothing until they browbeat real people into surrendering to their sophomoric notions?

Only in bizarro-world would people demand disarmed good guys and empowered bad guys, then call it a "solution."

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