Published: Wednesday, Dec. 26 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
You can use your free speech and purchasing power to limit movies with violence.
It's even ok with me if you try to regulate them.But it
won't keep us from talking about gun regulation when you try to change the
"Yet somehow Tarantino doesn't grasp the connection between a culture
that produced the Sandy Hook Elementary school tragedy in Connecticut and his
own contributions to it. "Wouldn't it be appropriate to
then cite the research that proves this "connection?"You
can't - because it doesn't exist. Anecdotes and personal feelings
aren't the same thing as valid, reliable, replicable research.Yes, I am turned off by gratuitous movie violence. That's not the same,
however, as proving a causal link between depictions of violence in films and
Guns don't kill people, but fictional guns do?
I have found the silence by Hollywood stars on this issue to be rather
deafening. Such stars frequently come out in loud voice supporting a variety of
"liberal" issues but are notably silent on this one.To Blue,
simply go to Google Scholar where you will find multiple articles evidencing the
connection between violence and the media. I was particularly impressed by the
meta-analysis on the link between violent video games and actual violence.
Studies have shown that excessive media coverage about a shooting, including
naming the suspects/perpetrators, dramatizing the events and repeating the
numbers lead to more shootings.
and "Saving Private Ryan" is probably OK with you because it's
based in reality?We've been at war for over ten years, and your
blaming fictional movies?@ atl134 - Excellent Observation!Does life imitate art or does art imitate life?
I'm glad this article was written. How anyone could deny the connection
between violent movies, TV, games, etc is beyond me. And @Blue--the connection
between violence in movies and TV and its negative effect on people has been
proven in a number of studies. That is not conjecture---it's fact.
They have violent films and video games in other countries, but nowhere near the
number of gun murders. They have mental illness in other countries, but still
little to no mass shootings. Two things come to mind that separate us from them:
gun control and universal access to health care. I don't like
violent movies or video games. And I'm sure they play a role, but
it's not a leading role. I'm much more interested in looking at a
culture where Dad reinforces these violent messages by tying a kid's
manhood into a gun.
Lets just use statistics.How many millions of people have seen
Tarantino's films either at the movies or on video?How many of those
have committed murder directly because of one or more of his films, either by
confession or even inuendo?How many people own guns in America?How many of those have directly used a gun to kill or murder?I
think you'll find owning a gun statistically far more dangerous than
watching fictional violence on film.
Based on this logic, we might as well crack down on both the Bible and the Book
of Mormon. The bloodshed and body count there makes anything Tarantino has done
look like a Disney movie in comparison.Moving on from Sandy Hook is
going to require that Americans have a honest discussion about how both guns and
mental illness are thought of in our society. Anything else is just making
excuses and beating around the bush.
[Movies, video games, and any entertainment glamorizing extreme human suffering
certainly aren't helping the efforts to create a safer society.]Like the Bible? There was a study out of BYU a few years ago that demonstrated
a connection between exposing people to violent passages from the bible and
increased aggression. It tried to cover its tracks by adding unscientific
excuses about "the good parts making up for the bad".Human
being are violent and aggressive by nature. Only a few generations ago most
young men would hunt and kill, both for sport and pleasure. Certainly evolution
made it fun to kill, as individuals who hunt for fun and survival will probably
have a surplus of food and skill.Most people don't hunt these
days, but they're still genetically designed to take pleasure in violence.
Some people play sports and inflict usually minor, although not always, violence
on one another. Some still go hunting for sport (there are cheaper ways to get
meat).I play violent video games and watch violent movies for fun. I
refuse to give up my real guns or my fake guns because some lunatic
couldn't handle life.
The solution to gun violence must include serious examination of literally
hundreds, if not thousands, of societal factors.It will not be
easy.It can be done.It must be done.And the
extremists on both sides must be willing to listen to the other side and then do
some very serious thinking before speaking again.
What - Hollywood too violent? Hollywood promoting and glorifying murder and
making millions in the process? Nah - not Hollywood. Sean Penn and Matt Damaon
and the other far left crowd are all about a gun-less America and non-violence.
American Gangsters with Sean Penn is just a fun light hearted little movie. Yes
do what I say and not what I do ...the Hollywood motto. The Bourne Sage with
Matt Damon is all about promoting peace. Liberalism and hypocrisy are kissen
cousins. The only people that the lefties want to be gun-less is the 9-5 middle
class of people in this country - the hunters and those that actually obey the
law because that is how Communism works. Disarm the masses and empower big
brother government and life will be bliss.
patriot said: What - Hollywood too violent? Hollywood promoting and glorifying
murder and making millions in the process? Nah - not Hollywood. = Fictional
reality for entertainmentWhat - Republican president too violent?
Republican president and a vice president who happens to own a defense business
promoting and glorifying war for as long as possible and making millions in the
process? Nah - not the republicans.= Reality The commies are coming,
the red menace is us, oh no mr. bill - what are, things people thought in the
The fact is, violent crime in the US is at all time lows. Sandy Hook and
Webster NY are statistical anomalies whose significance is magnified by the news
media. We're still safer at home in the US than we ever have been. The
right thing to do is nothing. And if I may make an observation, why
is no one horrified when Obama drops bombs on dozens of innocent children and
lies and says they are militants? We should be far, far more concerned about
our culture of militarism than our culture of domestic gun ownership. One or
two lone gunmen is an isolated tragedy. A whole country that doesn't care
about the slaughter of muslim children is barbaric.
We have an entire industry built on influencing people’s behaviors.
It’s called advertising. Those professionals study and analyze these
things to the molecular level. They clearly believe that there is a connection
between their short advertisements and human behavior. But, we posit that there
is absolutely no relationship between much longer films or video games played
for endless hours? There is a disconnect here.I am not saying that
any movie or video game turns a non-violent kid into a maniac. Also, there are
clearly other issues that need to be part of the violence discussion. But
excessive violence in entertainment also needs to be a part.When I
was a kid (millennia ago) guns were more common in American households and
almost nobody locked them up. Yet we had few mass killings (at least that I
recall). What has changed in America? I think how violence is portrayed is
part (the “hero” is often extremely violent). I think the
availability of mental health and specifically housing programs is also at
play.None of this says there should not be a conversation about
guns. But they are the means, not the motive.
There is a way to keep people like Tarantino from making these type of movies.
That is to vote with your feet. Don't go to his movies. They are trash and
frankly stupid. The only one of his movies I've seen is Pulp Fiction. That
was so bad, from a violence standpoint, and just the absurd stupidity of the
movie made me decide that I'm not going to waste my money any more.He gets no money, he makes no movies.I recommend Les
Miserables. 5 out of 4 stars for that one. Lincoln also. 6 out of 4 stars.
atl134, actually holographic bullets can kill when the safety protocols on the
Holo Deck are disengaged.
A glaring problem being overlooked is young white males. All these horrific
attacks were committed by young, white, suburban males.
A 2009 survey by Republican pollster Frank Luntz found 85 percent of all gun
owners and 69 percent of NRA members supporting mandatory background checks at
gun shows. Though the NRA has opposed efforts to prevent anyone on the FBIs
terrorist watch list from purchasing a gun, 86 percent of gun owners and 82
percent of NRA members said that those on the list should be banned from
purchasing guns.A CBS/New York Times poll in January 2011 found 63
percent of respondents favoring a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons,
almost unchanged from the 67 percent that favored such a ban in March 2000 (and
even a majority of gun owners favored an assault weapons ban). A detailed CNN
poll on guns in 2008 found two-thirds of Americans believing the Second
Amendment guaranteed an individual right to own guns, but also found 86 percent
supporting waiting periods, 79 percent supporting registration of guns with
local government, and 51 percent even supporting limits on the number of guns a
person can own, an idea that is rarely suggested anywhere.
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