Published: Wednesday, Dec. 26 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Piece is not the abscence of war. As duty to country to defend freedom and to
protect one weak country from strong country it is justifiable to enter a war.
Ancient Israel did. Good thing we stopped Hitler. Nice if there was no war.
However when there are ruthless dictators sometmes it is necessary.
Peace was no less a noble cause if your conscientious objection involved moving
to Nelson, B.C. during the vietnam war.
Peace is nothing but an elusive dream according to repubs. Even if we were to
invade Iran and North Korea right now the repubs would find some other evil
enemy who was seeking our destruction. We'd have to hurry up and invade
them too before they destroyed our country.In reality, our #1 enemy
is ourselves. We are spending ourselves in oblivion in defense spending. We pay
for systems which don't work, jets which even the Pentagon doesn't
want, wasteful products which we don't need, and nations who will forever
need our handouts. We can't afford to spend nearly 5x more than
China.Throwing more money into the DOD isn't going to make us
any safer.Although, cutting the Defense Budget sure will make us
less in debt and will aid us in the economic war which countries like Brazil,
China, India, etc are beating us at.
Joseph Smith and the rattlesnakes, and Jesus of Nazereth -- When
controned by Roman centurians, Peter draws a sword to defend and to fight.Jesus tells him to put it away -- Those who live by the sword, also die
by the sword.================@higvDietrich, IDPiece is not the abscence of war. As duty to country to defend freedom and to
protect one weak country from strong country it is justifiable to enter a war.
--------Pretty big words there higvI'm
curious - what branch of the Military you served in.I'm a veteran,
are you?The resaon I ask is because 9 times out of 10, big taking
warmongers have NEVER been to war.Just like their AM radio entertainers
who talk big, and carry a little stick.Trust me -- War is
hell(-o) on earth.It's NEVER the first and best option.
Joseph Smith and the rattlesnakes is consistant with Jesus and Peter, who drew his sword in denfense from Roman centurians and was told to - Put it away, Those who live by the word, die by the sword.============= higvDietrich, IDI curious, What branch of the Military did you serve in?The reason is 9 times
out of 10 war mongers like Limbuahg, Hannity and Beck and theire listeners NEVER
have served, let alone finished college.I'm a Veteran, I
detest war, even when it's defending womone and children here at home.Let alone attacking and commiting offesnsive ones over natural resources
(oil) in the Middle East.
Despite all the other reasons for fighting wars, all wars are fought for
economic reasons. Either to gain or protect an economic advantage in the
competition for the wealth of the world. Civil wars occur because
of the oppression of the ruling group or between two or more commercial entities
within the same country. Our next civil war in the USA will be fought for the
same reasons as the previous civil war. Immigrants in the current
case and salves in the previous being the cheap labor issue between two or more
commercial groups struggling for power. The people are in between and will do
most of the dying. The notion that our military fights for our
freedom is only true to the extent that without their defense of our current
masters, we will get new ones. My hope is that by understanding the
real nature of war we may have better luck at ending them.
Didn't it take a war to free the slaves in America, another war stop the
Nazis from murdering Jews, and to give France and many other European's
country and freedom back to them? How about Obama's undeclared war in Libya
to get rid of a murdering dictator there? There is only one good reason for war:
MountanmanHayden, IDThere is only one good reason for war:
freedom!1:52 p.m. Dec. 26, 2012============== I disagree.The Book of Mormon tells us Captain Moroni's banner or
Title of Liberty states;"In memory of our God, our religion, and
freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children."BTW -
I'm still waiting for you and higv's veteran status, and
explaining how attacking Afghanistan and Iraq had anything to do with Captain
Moroni's Title of Liberty.and FYI - Obama never sent one
American to fight in Libya, and the Cruise missile attacks in Libya were under
U.N. and NATO command - not American.
airnaut. Surely if the Libyans were worthy of being liberated from a murdering
dictator by our military, so were the Iraqis by forces from many nations
combined. President Bush correctly stated after 9/11 that we were fighting an
ideology existing within many countries, not just one country. And by the way,
we are still fighting them, Benghazi ring a bell? Obama may not be at war with
them, but they are at war with us, still. We went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan
for the same reason we went to war in the last century with Japan and Germany,
to defeat our enemies who attack us and will continue to do so. We found bin
Laden hiding in Pakistan proving that President Bush was right. You know, those
guys who have been attacking us for decades and flew those airplanes into our
buildings and murdered over 3,000 innocent people!By the way, from
your own quote of Captain Moroni's banner; freedom was the word he used as
did I. Freedom from what? Freedom from being attacked, perhaps, just like we
have been? Gee, amazing isn't it?
Mountanman.Without going into the particulars of WWII, our military
has been engaged in war all over the globe for the last 60 years. Since WWII
can you point out any freedom that came about by our winning a war? Or for that
matter can you point out any war that our military was declared the winner.
I read on Latter day Conservative some people that were against war putting
words in Captain Moronis mouth. Why did Britian beg the US to help them in
World war II? Why did Roosevelt go to Moroco. You can't appease a lying
dictator. To free people from oppresion war may be necessary. Though never
desirable for decent people. People like Moroni and most good
people in our government don't enjoy war but will go as a last result to
preserve freedom and our prosperity when we have a national interest. I never
been in military though I know several people that have and am grateful for
"We went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan for the same reason we went to war
in the last century with Japan and Germany, to defeat our enemies who attack us
and will continue to do so." With the exception that Al Queda wasn't
in Iraq..and Germany was in Poland..France etc.
higvDietrich, IDPeople like Moroni and most good people in our
government don't enjoy war but will go as a last result to preserve freedom
and our prosperity when we have a national interest. I never been in military
though I know several people that have and am grateful for there service.6:27 p.m. Dec. 26, 2012================ So then
you are admitting GW Bush and the Republicans were flat out WRONG for attacking
and invading Iraq?Or feel it's justified and meets the
definition of "Last resort" only when it's someone else's kid,
and keeps your gas under $5 a gallon, and Congress never needs to figure out
exactly how to pay for all of it, but instead LOWERS taxes?I went
into the Military as a solid Republican, I came out a bleeding-heart
Liberal Anti-Republican from all the lies, deciet and pure garbage the GOP fed
me for 8 years.
higvDietrich, IDI read on Latter day Conservative some people that
were against war putting words in Captain Moronis mouth. ============ Wrong again....In fact -- Mormon and Moroni both were so hesitant to NOT go to war, That they
waited to be attack by the Lamanites not once, not twice -- but THREE times
BEFORE they ever committed going into conflict.Fast forward to
America's Conservatives - many in fact who profess Mormonism...Even
the very elect are being decieved...Remember, The final ending
of the once righteous Nephites, Who went on the OFFENSE, Who
attacked BEYOND their Boundariaes, Who didn't just fight for peace --
but wanted to fight to the bitter end, seeking total annilation of their
enemies.As Open Minded Mormon has already pointed out -- Christ himself told us what would happen:He who fights by the sword,
dies by the sword.(or gun, or Nukes, or what have you)BTW -
I'm also a veteran.War is the LAST option -- always has been,
always will be.
If someone robs my property or attacks my family I will prevent once. Moroni
when there was not war prepared for attacks, That is what our military does in
peacetime prevents. Thing is Good people don't want war but will to
protect there families and other innocents from people like Hitler. Why did we
fight in Vietnam and Korea and not Russia. Freedom is worth more than life.
That is why defensive war is sometimes necassary as long as there is evil in the
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