Published: Tuesday, Dec. 25 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
For the sake of political expediency, it's easier to deny man-made threats
to the planet than to confront the awful facts. This is especially true of
Republicans. I suppose that ignorance really is bliss, but nothing goes away by
pretending it isn't real.
This should have been published before December 21, then I would have been
impressed that there was still some sanity in this world.
For Pete's sake Des News, it's 21 degrees with a foot of snow at my
house right now. How cold would it have to be to make you feel like global
warming doom wasn't lurking around the corner?
Chilly, it's -28 C (about -18F) where I'm at today, although only a
few centimetres of snow on the ground. Nonetheless, this does not discredit the
evidence of man's influence on the climate. Merry Christmas.
Why do those of you who buy into this man made global warming nonsense get so
angry with those of us who don't? If you who have fallen for this hoax and
believe it, go ahead and sit in your hybrid, shut off your electricity, abandon
your modern polluting conveniences and go on believing you are saving the planet
and leave the rest of us alone while we enjoy our lives without all the
irrational fears that you embrace! Why try to force the rest of us to adapt our
lives to your fears?
Hutterite,No statistically relevant warming in the last 16 years,
despite atmospheric CO2 concentrations increasing by one twelfth. None of the
global warming doom and gloomers predicted this "pause". The climate
modelers have been dead wrong. I trust you are not using fossil fuel
for heating in your -28C location. Merry Christmas to you too. Try to relax a
Are you kidding me?This the kind of fools gold that has made Glenn
There is already enough wackiness in the world without adding any more.God doesn't need to do any work to bring about the end of the world.Just let us humans take care of it.We're already doing
a very good job.
@chillyWe're heading for the warmest year on record for Utah and the
U.S. We've had 14 record highs at Salt Lake City to 0 record lows this
year. "None of the global warming doom and gloomers predicted
this "pause". "The 2000s were .2F warmer than the 1990s,
not quite the 2-3C/century pace, but the idea that there is a pause...
why'd you pick 16 years? Because you're cherrypicking a span of years
where the first year was very anomalously warm (1998). Climate scientists use 30
year climate norms, but you can't use that, since it would get in the way
of the point you're trying to make. 14/14 warmest years in the modern
record are 1998-2011.@Mountanman"Why do those of you who
buy into this man made global warming nonsense get so angry with those of us who
don't? If you who have fallen for this hoax"I have a degree
in meteorology and obviously as a result also have a lot of friends who study
meteorology and climate and people like you claiming we're all fraudsters
promoting a hoax... and you wonder why someone like I could find it frustrating?
Shhhh. Be quiet, ATL. Facts only confuse some folks.
Its really cold here today and it is going to snow later. It may be warmer than
normal somewhere else today. Why is the fact that if is colder in some places
today than normal is not proof of the global warming hoax but some of you say
that because it may be warmer in other places today it is solid proof that
global warming is real?Atl 134. My doctor has a medical degree, has
a license to practice medicine and has studied for years but he has made
incorrect diagnosis many times to his admission. He is still a good physician
but isn't correct all the time, no one is! Perhaps he isn't alone?
One old man: "...ATL. Facts only confuse some folks..." Notice
that atl134 didn't refute my "facts". He merely accused me of
"cherry picking" the most recent 16 years. He did it by cherry-picking
even shorter time intervals.atl134,I'm thankful that we
are still having warm decades. Good for earth's inhabitants! We are still
emerging from the last ice-age. Some decades will be warm and others cooler. A
good student of meteorology would know that most of the all time US State heat
records were set in the 1930s. But that doesn't quite fit the narrative,
does it?My point (in my second post) is that the strong link between
CO2 and temperature, claimed by many climate scientists and used as the main
driver in the climate models... is being proved more incorrect with each passing
Didn't the dynosaurs die when the earth cooled? What caused that warming
and then subsequent cooling? Probabaly those selfish Triceratops.
@Mountanman"Why is the fact that if is colder in some places today
than normal is not proof of the global warming hoax but some of you say that
because it may be warmer in other places today it is solid proof that global
warming is real?"I would say neither are evidence for or against
on their own and are only useful with proper context. I am part of a
forecasting contest, I'm plenty capable of knowing how badly I can miss a
forecast. However, we have 100 years of data and a strong scientific knowledge
of how the greenhouse effect works. The evidence strongly suggests a human
component to recent climate change in addition to natural components which are
always in play too (it's not a coincidence that 2007 1998 and 2010 were all
El Nino years and are the top three warmest, in various orders depending on
dataset). @chillyTrue, we beat many 1934 and 1936 records this
year. The thing is, 1934 was not globally warm compared to present, only
regionally. Extreme anomalies occur. This year will be the warmest for the US
and 15-25 states but is set to probably be 9th warmest globally.
"It is hard to know exactly when it became acceptable for U.S. politicians
to be antiscience. For some two centuries science was a preeminent force in
American politics, and scientific innovation has been the leading driver of U.S.
economic growth since World War II. Advances in biology, based on evolutionary
theory, created the biotech industry. New research in genetics is poised to
transform the understanding of disease and the practice of medicine, agriculture
and other fields. The Founding Fathers were science enthusiasts.Yet
despite its history and today's unprecedented riches from science, the U.S.
has begun to slip off of its science foundation. Indeed, in this election cycle,
some 236 years after Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence, several
major party contenders for political office took positions that can only be
described as “antiscience”: against evolution, human-induced climate
change, vaccines, stem cell research, and more.
"By falsely equating knowledge with opinion, postmodernists and antiscience
conservatives alike collapse our thinking back to a pre-Enlightenment era,
leaving no common basis for public policy. Public discourse is reduced to
endless warring opinions, none seen as more valid than another. Policy is
determined by the loudest voices, reducing us to a world in which might makes
right the classic definition of authoritarianism.Postmodernism
infiltrated a generation of American education programs, It also infected
journalism, where the phrase "there is no such thing as objectivity" is
often repeated like a mantra.Reporters who agree with this statement
will not dig to get to the truth and will tend to simply present both sides of
contentious issues, especially if they cannot judge the validity of scientific
evidence. If the press corps does not strive to report objective reality, for
which scientific evidence is our only reliable guide, the ship of democracy is
set adrift from its moorings in the well-informed voter and becomes vulnerable
once again to the tyranny that Jefferson feared."(Scientific American:
"Antiscience Beliefs Jeopardize U.S. Democracy")
Mountanman,The frustration is because we have to move on this
together.Let’s say you and I live on a river and the folks
downstream are worried about water quality. You are careful not to pollute but
I toss everything I’ve got into the river. It will make only limited
difference what you do as long as I am still polluting, right?The
same with the atmosphere. We need a coordinated effort. It does only limited
good for one community or nation to restrain itself.There are cold
spots and warm spots on the planet and cold and warm days. The issue is the
global trend over time.And yes, doctors or scientists can be wrong.
But I notice you still go to one. Also, if you had a heart problem would you
really go against the advice of nearly every cardiologist?Chilly,Seriously, you need to look at better data. Businesses that rely on the
weather are making plans for long term change. These are numbers oriented folks
getting the best data they can for their business plans not wild eyed
environmental radicals.Why do you assume that you know what
professional climatologists do not?
My doctor is obligated to have malpractice insurance for when and if he is wrong
and people are harmed. Wouldn't it be interesting if climatologist and
environmental scientist could be sued for malpractice as well when what they say
causes harm to people while producing noting of value to society except
@chillySalt Lake City, UTMy point (in my second post) is that
the strong link between CO2 and temperature, claimed by many climate scientists
and used as the main driver in the climate models... is being proved more
incorrect with each passing year.2:48 p.m. Dec. 25, 2012================ Really?Tell us oh most intelligent one;What is the atmospheric compostition of our sister planet - Venus?[And her 400 - 600+ degree surface temperature.]Hint: it starts
with a Carbon and ends with Di-Oxide.
Re:MountanmanAnd what should be the penalty for the Republican
Party, if the 98% of scientists are proven right, that man-made climate change
is happening and is going to kill tens or hundreds of millions of people? What
should happen to those who stood in the way of measures to minimize global
warming/climate change? The stakes are pretty high to be be engaged
in this type of poker game.
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