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Published: Saturday, Dec. 22 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Onion Daze
Payson, UT

This ice cream story is a repeat.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The three groups that receive the most government funding are the elderly, the rural, and the southern. In other words, the GOP's core constituency. I'd say the Republicans have the free ice cream cone thing down pat. As for paying for it, compare Medicare Part D and Obamaacare. Obamacare is fully funded, while there is absolutely no funding mechanism for Medicare Part D. Every penny of spending for the program has gone on the national credit card.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Onion, this ice cream story is a fantasy..the Greece of the western Hempisphere..that tells you all you need to know about the writer.

ECR
Burke, VA

If the DN wants to print nonsensical letters at least they should insist on originality. This fable is as old as I am (and that's old). I wonder if the author would explain how Republicans are showing "fiscal and social responsibility" with their current position on taxes. After Bill Clinton raised taxes and the nation showed a budget surplus, the CBO calculated that with similar tax rates and economic growth we could pay off our then $5 trillion dollar debt within 10 years. But the Republicans didn't want to pay their debt (the debt of all Americans); they preferred to keep their money (in the form of tax cuts) instead of doing the responsible thing. And for eight years during the G.W. Bush Administration, just like in the 12 years of the Reagan Bush Administration, they spent freely and ran up a debt that nearly destroyed our nation. Now that the current president has had to deal with lower tax revenue and despite increasing spending at rate lower than any president since Eisenhower, he and his party get blamed for our current situation. How is that being fiscally responsible?

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

"What the GOP needs to do is to find an "ice cream cone" that the Democrats don't already have covered."

That's hard to read but it was Bush that sent out $400 "stimulus" checks to everyone, started 2 wars and reduced your taxes at the same time. He also gave out free drugs with medicare part d.

Of course the republicans shouted that Obama was taking stuff away from medicare and there would be less free stuff for seniors as if that were bad. It wasn't true but that was the argument.

Then there's the inconvenient truth that the states that have the most "takers" are republican states.

Please secede from the union, we are smarter now and will definitely not fight to keep you in the USA.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

I don't need to say anything, it's already been said. Good job guys.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

And Republicans want the rest of us to get by with less so the wealthy can get two scoops.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Is the DNews so short on letters that it can't come up with something better than this ridiculous ice cream cone analogy and a diatribe about the "Chicago political machine"?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

What the GOP has offered and continues to offer is anything but fiscal and social responsibility.

You and your ilk have no room to criticize others for being ill-informed or merely wanting handouts. If you really believe that responsibility is what your party still stands for then I suggest you get out of your cave and become informed. Please study history. Especially the records of the last 3 GOP Presidents.

one old man
Ogden, UT

You all forgot the mention all the freebies garnered by big corporations, Wall Street, Banks, those who use offshore tax dodging banks, and on and on for an endless list of GOP supporters.

They don't just get ice cream cones. They get the entire factory.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I find it interesting that all the liberal regulars on here attacked the writer of the letter instead of answering his most important question: who is going to pay for all the Democrat freebies?

ECR
Burke, VA

Mountainman - There are no Democratic freebies. As many have pointed out, all Americans have benefited from and are responsible for the government programs that now must be paid for. There is no doubt that many things can and should be cut from government where possible but it is equally true that we all need to step up and pay for the reckless spending of the past, on both sides of the aisle. I don't make anywhere near the $200K limit the president has established for having taxes raised but I would gladly pay more if it meant getting our financial house in order. For Republicans to completely refuse to make any effort to pay the bills that are now due (as witnessed this week in Congress) is not only irresponsible but, in my opinion, it runs counter to the values of American citizenship. Until we all accept our current situation and work together to fix it we will continue to have a slow moving economy where the poorest and most vulnerable in our society will suffer the most.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"The GOP cares solely and exclusively about its rich contributors. The party has built a whole catechism on the protection and further enrichment of America's plutocracy. Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.
("Good-bye to All That the Confessions of a Gop Operative Who left the Cult" by Mike Lofgren)

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

ECR. All you did was bloviate! Again, I ask you, who is going to pay for all the entitlements? I guess I missed the specifics on where Obama is willing cut any spending, except perhaps the military. All I have ever heard him say, is more taxes, more taxes, more spending. In the meantime our national debt is over $16 trillion with no end to the explosion. That is really our current situation and Obama has no real answers. At least the Republicans has been in favor of serious spending cut, but Obama says NO! Again, I ask you, who is going to pay for all this spending?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The metaphor is completely wrong.

It's more like this ---

2 kids are running for office.

One says we need to takecare of ALL the kids in class,
Everyone deserves healthcare in order to get good grades,
We all need to eat and sleep and help each other.
School needs to be a good place for everybody.

The other says --
We can's afford that!
We need to take from those struggling or failing and give those getting A's.
Only A-kids get to go to recess.
They are Teacher's pets, and get 1st choice for everything.
The A-kids get every privledge because they earned it - even if they CHEATED.
The A-kids can bully and take anything they want from others and pass it around to THEIR friends on the playground, they don't have to share.
A-kids can start fights, and bully other kids and never get punished.

Mommy and Daddy's sweet little boo-bah-doo gets preferential treatment,
the rest of the kids in class are a bunch of loosers anyway!

Here little Johnny - have an ice cream cone.
Any flavor you want, and size you want.
Care for sprinkles?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

LDS liberal; Your version would be much more accurate if you substituted a playground bully the federal government), for taking money by force away from those who earned it and then gets angry when the good kids don't have any more money to steal!

wrz
Ogden, UT

@Roland Kayser:
"The three groups that receive the most government funding are the elderly, the rural, and the southern."

You forgot the fourth and largest group... Democrats.

"As for paying for it, compare Medicare Part D and Obamaacare. Obamacare is fully funded, while there is absolutely no funding mechanism for Medicare Part D."

Yeah, right. Obama care is fully funded alright... with increased taxes.

"Every penny of spending for the program has gone on the national credit card."

Speaking of which, Obama has increased the national credit card debt by more than all presidents put together... from George Washington on.

@ECR:
"If the DN wants to print nonsensical letters at least they should insist on originality."

The truth is worth repeating over and over. This truth exposes the Democrats as 'tax the rich and spend.' It also exposes the Republican as well... the guys who don't know how to get elected with promises of give-aways, amnesty, etc.

"I wonder if the author would explain how Republicans are showing 'fiscal and social responsibility' with their current position on taxes."

The Republicans are showing 'economic' responsibility... to keep from going over the fiscal cliff.

ECR
Burke, VA

Mountainman - What I did say was that we are all going to have to pay for the government that we have. Since you have trouble interpreting that message I'll say it more clearly. We are going to have to raise taxes to help get things back in order. Although the president is not proposing it, I am saying, and I did say, I would be willing to pay more in taxes even though I do not make the kind of income the president has set as the limit. I'm not sure those who make just enough to get by should or could pay more but I am willing to do my part. I also said that we should responsibly cut government spending where it is possible and where it won't hurt the most vulnerable. That is exactly what the president has said and he never, ever suggested we should just cut the military. But I am saying why shouldn't cut some of the military. Why do we need an Air Force base in Utah 700 miles from the coastline or the north and south border of the nation? I hope that statement is definitive enough for you.

Miss Piggie
Ogden, UT

@ECR:

"There are no Democratic freebies."

You ain't been paying attention have you, ECR...? For one thing, Obama and his Democrat friends wanna hand out free healthcare to the poor... including birth control pills and abortion on demand.

"There is no doubt that many things can and should be cut from government where possible but it is equally true that we all need to step up and pay for the reckless spending of the past, on both sides of the aisle."

Obama's willing to make spending cuts, alright. But he wants his tax increases now. Then maybe later on he'll address the cuts. Sure.

"I don't make anywhere near the $200K limit the president has established for having taxes raised but I would gladly pay more if it meant getting our financial house in order."

If you're so willing, all you need do is get your checkbook out and write a check payable to the IRS. And please accept my thanks in advance for your generosity.

ECR
Burke, VA

Miss Piggie - Like so many of your friends form the conservative wing of the United States, I see you have adopted that same attitude "if you want to fix things so bad then go ahead and do your part but leave me out of it." We are all responsible for making our government work and no one should shirk that responsibility. Some have experienced good fortune and can better afford to make a greater contribution. I am willing to do that. Why aren't you?

Your assertions about the Affordable Care Act are the usual uninformed hyperbole that we've heard for four years. There will not be any abortion on demand paid for by the ACA. And doesn't it stand to reason that if people have access to birth control there will be fewer abortions desired? It's a simple cause and effect formula but I know that is a bit complicated for those who choose to believe false statement without checking them out for themselves.

And for your information, the president proposed changes to Social Security and Medicare as part of the Grand Bargain clear last year but John Bohner and the Republicans rejected it. Merry Christmas!

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