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Published: Thursday, Dec. 20 2012 11:27 p.m. MST

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Perhaps if Boehner could find something for his tea party cohorts to vote against, he could bring something to the floor. The House Republican caucus is a mess. In many ways I do hope we go over the cliff so these hard headed members of congress understand that rhetoric has consequences.... and this rhetoric is going to take us back into recession.

So much for jobs being the main concern.

FT
salt lake city, UT

The GOP is a mess. At least the Democrats can govern and lead. You may not like where they got us but they address problems and pass legislation. Utah-wake up! Our representatives are some of the biggest problems in today's dysfunctional goverment. They need to be removed from office, have their penisions stripped and replaced with people who can compromise and govern.

VST
Bountiful, UT

If Boehner could not get a tax cutoff point at $1.0M through the House (tax increase for those making $1.0M or more) what makes anyone, ESPECIALLY the Congressional Democrats and the President, think the House will approve a cutoff point of $400K? Not gonna happen.

Clearly the ball is now in the Court of the Democrats to craft something that will get enough support from their Democrat caucus and enough support from some Republicans for it to pass in the House.

Like it or not, that is political reality folks.

cpafred
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@VST
I disagree. It is now the job of the voters to get rid of congressmen in the House who have risked throwing the U.S. economy back into a recession and put millions of people out of work rather than do their jobs and compromise.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@cpafred,

Here is the political reality regarding your suggestion:

If you REALLY think they will all be thrown out of office (in mass) by their constituents, then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Everyone gripes about Congress not doing their job (and their approval numbers show it), but when it comes to changing their Congressional Representative, they will not do it because the majority of their constituents like them. In their eyes, it is everybody's OTHER Congressional Representative that needs to be thrown out.

cpafred
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ VST
Then we are a country of fools who deserve the approaching consequences.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@cpafred,

That is correct, it is the truth, and it is political reality.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

VST,

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that because the republicans care more about their pledge to Grover Nordquist and holding onto their "principles" that it is the responsibility of the democrats to put country first and try to come up with a plan that will appease the 40-50 extreme members of the republican party in the house. You obviously know that you then allow the extreme right to claim victory.

This reminds me of a parent and a spoiled child who doesn't get what they want and so they throw a temper tantrum and then the parent gives in to them. In a weird sort of a way you may be right. It is clear that Grover Nordquist and his stupid pledge matter more to the far right than does the American economy.

I have no confidence in either party, but I do believe that the democrats are more likely to try and do what is best for the American people than the republicans who are so afraid of the special interest groups who are financing them that they cannot do what is best for America.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Fred44,

No Fred, what I am saying is, because of the extreme right-wing nut cases on the Republican side of the aisle, there is no way that a compromise bill can be drafted by the MAJORITY of reasonable Republicans that will be acceptable to Obama and the Democrats. The Republican leadership is done – they cannot get support from the nut cases to pass a bill that allows any taxes to rise. So now the only chance for passage is for the Democrats to come up with a bill that may have the possibility of passing the House with joint support from the majority of main-stream Republicans and Democrats.

It is my impression that it was only about 25 to 35 disgruntled right-wing Republicans who would NOT support the bill proposed by the Republican leadership and the majority of the remaining Republicans. The Democrats obviously were not going to support the Plan-B approach simply because it would have forced the hand of Obama to accept Plan-B, come up with an acceptable winning compromise, or "go over the cliff."

Side Note: The correct spelling is Grover Norquist; not Nordquist.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

VST,

The President cannot put a bill forward that will appease the "nut cases" and will pass the Senate. So in essence what we have is 40-50 members of the tea party in the house controlling this entire process.

The solution is actually very simple. Mr. Boehner needs to go back to negotiating with the President. By all accounts they were very close to an agreement. They need one more compromise and then Mr. Boehner needs to take the bill back to the house. The democrats combined with the reasonable republicans can pass a compromise bill and move it to the senate and by pass the "nut cases".

The problem is Mr. Boehner is unwilling to bring a bill to the floor that does not have tea party support. With that being said, he has in essence said that their 40-50 votes constitute a majority and the other 475 elected congressmen and the President are irrelevant.

I hate seeing us go over the cliff, but I think as bad as that is, it is worse to allow the will of the people to be circumvented by a small group of house members.

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